Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

The 9/11 documentary is no "official cover-up story". It was produced and directed by a New York City firefighter and two independent videographers. It was spontaneous filming from start to finish. If you had actually watched this film, you would see that. Fact remains that two other cameramen also captured the first plane hitting the North Tower.

But, no, you've apparently chugged down gallons of conspiracy koolaid and so you try and deny the veracity of the 9/11 documentary with some sh!t about astronomical probabilities. And you claim to be an experienced cameraman. Bullsh!t. There is a world of difference between high action, spontaneous camera work and shooting studio portraits and stills of flower bouquets.

Haughty Lib Loc: Boston, NYC, D.C.

Remember,

1) Extremist Christians did all that first, that how early Muslim extremists learned all that.

2) There are a billion other Muslims that are NOTHING like ISIS, hate ISIS, and you're wrong for conflating them.

But that's what irrational unintelligent (is there any other kind?) Islamaphobes do.

Haughty Lib Loc: Boston, NYC, D.C.

It's nice to find a place where we both agree.

And I just don't get his point about the odds of getting film of the planes hitting.

If ANYthing, with all the tourists constantly taking pics of the skyline, I'd make the opposite argument and wonder why we don't have MORE video and pics.

payne1000

payne1000

Here's another 9/11 event which defies the laws of probability and the laws of physics:
In the 100-year history of steel-framed skyscrapers, the only force which had ever brought one down is controlled demolition. Fire damage or collisions by airliners had never caused a skyscraper to fall.
The public is expected to believe that three steel-framed skyscrapers can fall in one day showing all the characteristics of controlled demolition and not be controlled demolition.
Before you give your opinions, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UKfzGt6Fxk

payne1000

If 2 other cameramen filmed the first plane why haven't we seen that film? Can you provide it for readers?

As a professional photographer my field covered corporate and advertising in Houston. I did not shoot flowers or studio portraits. Much of my work was done hanging out of a helicopter.

This photo I took for a corporate annual report.

Ve'hoe

No,,,, christians didnt start that, youre wrong.

I have been to afghanistan and Iraq,, as well as africa....

How many muslims have you "actually" met??

Ve'hoe

Sorry RACIST Goofe,,,, but you are the typical white racist j-arthur who thinks he can tell minorities what they can or cant say.

You dont police my language,, white a--hole!! Its your race that murdered mine,, as well as his,,.

I dont take direction from racist white a--holes on what I can or cant say. And for you to attempt to dictate to my, a minority is in itself racist,,,,,ergo the new nom-de-dumbness,,, RACIST GOOFE,,,

YOur white privilege doesnt extend into telling me what to say, think, or how to be,,

Like I have always said about the hypocritical leftists,, ie YOU,,, you are the most racist SOB's on the planet, simply because you think you are right and have the ability/duty to tell everyone else what they can or cant say...

You cant "change" your stupid rules in the middle of your hypocritical rants!!!

HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

EconomistDon

Are you kidding? Irrational unintelligent Lib claims that Christians taught Muslims to be barbarians.

Here is some history for you. Mohammad was collecting his "messages" from Allah around 600 AD, messages that proclaimed his new religion/way of life was the only true way. All other religions and idols of those religions had to be destroyed. So when Mohammad attracted 10,000 devoted followers, they started traveling throughout western Arabia from their home base in Medina, destroying temples and idols of other religions, and killing those who would not convert to Islam. After Mohammad's death ten years later, his "messages" were collected into a book called the Quran. In 637 AD, the new leaders of Islam struck out to carry their new religion/way of life to new lands. They went first into Mesopotamia where they slaughtered all who would not convert. Many Mesopotamians fled to Persia. Entire villages, men, women, and children were slaughtered if they didn't run or convert. So the native population of Mesopotamia, who brought us writing, mathematics, science, and more was replaced by barbaric Arabs. Not content with that, the Muslims carried their barbaric ways west into the land of the Israelites and Turkey. By 900 AD, Muslims were killing and destroying temples in eastern Europe. That is when Christians got involved, waging war in the first Crusade. A total of six Crusades were fought, repeatedly pushing Muslims back into the Middle East. We should not be surprised if the Crusaders were barbaric against the Muslims. When fighting barbarians in a war, Christians likely dished out the same treatment that they received.

So tell me again newly-informed Lib -- Who taught barbarism to whom?

Ve'hoe

Pearls, to a know it all swine,,,, Honky lib,,, actually told me, that there was a monetary price for the lives of indian children and womens lives taken by his ancestors, that should satisfy any and all claims against his white democrat murdering forefathers that stole the land he lives on and murdered my people to get it.

Amazing the "haughti-ness" of liberal murderers, isnt it.

EconomistDon

What kind of response is that? It looks like an insult, but you preach against insults. So it apparently represents an answer to my questions. Does it mean that your parents were Rats, that you learned to hate Jews from rats? In what country did you grow up? Was it Ratakistan? To what Muslim nation should you be deported? Or are you in another country hurling insults at us? Why do rats hate Jews?

payne1000

For those who might not know, Hasbara is a vast Zionist propaganda operation. Hasbarat is the term which has been coined to represent those on the internet who work for Hasbara. Hasbarats almost never offer a rebuttal to what has been posted. They are trained to use obnoxious insults instead. Check out EconomistDon's last two replies to me and you'll see what I mean.
Replying to unfounded insults is a waste of my time so I have prepared a few graphics with which to reply to them.

elk6x6 Loc: In the bushes by your house.

Here’s What Happened When Norway Started Deporting Radical Muslims

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by Jason DeWitt | Top Right News


After years — decades in fact — of open immigration policies welcoming millions from Muslim countries, many European nations are now overwhelmed by the consequences.


But so long as they have left-wing governments those policies remain unchanged, as liberals, just like in America, use immigration and easy welfare policies to stay in power.


But nations that elect conservative governments are starting to curtail and even reverse those policies welcoming Muslims– and the results are stunning.


Once such nation is Norway, which elected the Conservative Party to power after years of open immigration policies.


The new Norwegian Prime Minister, Erna Solberg, began a program that deports Muslims who have ties to radical groups.


And something stunning occurred: the country’s violent crimes are down more than 31% in less than a year since Muslim deportations began!


Liberals everywhere are crying “Racism!” Al Jazeera has blasted Solberg relentlessly for her so-called “Islamophobia”, but she has pressed on by deporting any Muslims who belong to radical mosques or threaten violence against “non-believers” — and sent their entire families home too.


From the local Oslo News:



A record number of people were deported by Norwegian authorities in 2014.


Norway’s government has ruled that a record 7,100 people were to be deported in 2014, more than 10 times the number under the previous government.


Analysts believe some of the reasons for the rise in figures are more resources, more staff and a change of “portfolio priorities”. It has also become easier for Norwegian authorities to deport people back to Muslim nations, including Afghanistan and Nigeria.


A large percentage of those deported in 2014 were Muslim asylum seekers who had their application for continued asylum rejected. They were then deported along with their families. The majority of deportees, however, had committed crimes, or had returned illegally to Norway after being deported.


Norwegian residents have been stunned by the violent crime rate plummeting in so rapid a time frame.


And even though the liberal media tries to hush up the reason, one resident, Adrian Stavig made it clear why the people love their new conservative leader, saying something that would give Barack Obama a coronary:



“The world’s largest gang of thugs, murderers, and rapists is masquerading as a religion of peace.”


Don’t you wish we had a leader in the U.S. that understood the danger of Islam and acted to protect us from it, instead of one who promotes Islam and denounces Americans who question it?

payne1000

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Yeah, I've heard that argument many times, and I've seen this particular video. Essentially, it is a straw man. Due to the towers' unprecedented height (tallest buildings in the world at the time), the structural design was unique in that both horizontal forces (wind) and vertical forces (gravity) had to be accounted for--called the "tube within a tube" design, the towers were the first of their kind. The exterior steel columns were designed specifically to resist the horizontal (wind) forces--which could reach 80 mph at 1000 ft coming off NY harbor. The vertical (gravity) support columns were internal, and due to their proximity they sustained heavy impact damage.

(Both hijacker pilots banked the aircraft as they closed on the buildings with the intention of damaging as many floors as possible--North Tower--hit first--sustained damage between the 93rd and 99th floors and the South Tower between the 77th and 84th floors. Note that each floor weighed 4500 tons, therefore the weight above the damage in the North Tower averaged 67,500 tons, and the weight above the damage in the South Tower was twice that, or 135,000 tons. For this reason, even though the South Tower was hit 17 minutes after the first strike, this tower was first to collapse.)

Two other factors were critical to the architectural design--the elevator system and the individual floor plans. The original plan was for buildings of 80 stories, but due to the floor space requirements and the fact that elevators were the only feasible means to access the entire building--particularly the upper floors--(the only stairwells in the towers were the internal emergency fire escapes). Elevator design presented a unique structural problem.

(If you had watched the 9/11 documentary you would have noted that when Chief Pfieffer and his crew, including the videographer, Jules Naudet, entered the lobby of the North Tower, they found all the windows at ground level blown out and there were people either burning or burned--Jules refused to film them. The explosion of jet fuel came down the elevator shafts and raised hell on the ground floors.)

The architecture and structural design of the twin towers is available at many websites. Sructural engineer describes WTC tower vulnerabilities

Without going into more details on the unique structure of the towers and extent of the impact and fire damage to the floors effected (Killtown website is loaded with data), here is a piece of info that should be noted:

NYC requires seismic monitoring of any construction project within the city (Seismic monitors are also required during controlled demolitions of buildings and other tall structures). On 9/11, 9 such monitors were active at various construction projects in lower Manhattan. These monitors recorded both the impact of the aircraft and the building collapse. Seismic and demolition engineers analyzed this data and determined that the data WAS NOT consistent with that recorded during a controlled demolition.

But hey, none of this means a damned thing to a "troofer" who has experience hanging out of helicopters and filming power towers. Right? Keep plugging away there, payne. That koolaid is some potent sh!t.