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Jun 2, 2015 22:52:48   #
Glaucon
 
KHH1 wrote:
That is why dr. spock was the smartest on the enterprise...before you laugh...realize...unemotional thinking is logical...emotional thinking is psychologically driven...which often equates to stupid..


That was once common sense that, after much scientific discovery has been found to be commonly accepted but disproven. I think I could guide you to some information that would change your mind about the information you got from Star Trek if your mind and emotions are open to learning. To ignore evidence is what is called stupid.

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Jun 2, 2015 22:58:00   #
Glaucon
 
KHH1 wrote:
Generally speaking for anyone who becomes educated...that is what they realize in the process...myself included........


Education is not a noun, it is a verb. You don't get educated. Intelligent people are never educated, they are always educating. Education is a life long process of intellectual curiosity, open mindedness, and constant questioning, including self questioning.

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Jun 2, 2015 23:04:31   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Glaucon wrote:
Education is not a noun, it is a verb. You don't get educated. Intelligent people are never educated, they are always educating. Education is a life long process of intellectual curiosity, open mindedness, and constant questioning, including self questioning.


Oh, aren't we magniloquent?

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Jun 2, 2015 23:11:49   #
Glaucon
 
PoppaGringo wrote:
Oh, aren't we magniloquent?


You are probably the cutest person to share their cuteness with us on this site. I love cuteness in babies and puppies, but not so much in old, feeble minded humanoids.

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Jun 3, 2015 05:38:30   #
Spankem Loc: NJ
 
KHH1 wrote:
that is what education is good for...instead of thinking you are a know-it all, you learn how much you do not know and the inherent flaws in your own logic when you test it academically..


Education can help teach you that you don't know what you don't know about what you don't know.

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Jun 3, 2015 07:16:15   #
MatthewlovesAyn Loc: Ohio
 
Glaucon wrote:
The first and most important sign of intelligence is the ability to carefully and skeptically question one’s own opinions, assumptions, beliefs, information and emotions. Without this ability, we are dumb, stupid, and ignorant. With this ability we have the basic foundation for intelligence and without it, no amount of attempted self education and formal education will make a person intelligent.
Both liberals and conservatives can lack this ability and be dumb, Ignorant, or stupid.

If reading this causes you to feel anger or rage and want to attack, it is a clear indication you lack this ability.

The first step in acquiring this ability is to be able to admit you lack this ability and your anger reading this is the most accurate indicator of your lack of this ability.

What did you feel when reading this? Did you quit reading it because of your anger? Do you have any questions about this or do you want to avoid, ignore, deflect the issue?
The first and most important sign of intelligence ... (show quote)


Brains are like gas cans. Some people have 5 gallon cans and others have 1 gallon cans. Statistically, I have a 4.5 gallon can. I probably have not filled my can with high test, or probably even filled it to the top.
One thing my can does is give me a certain amount of empathy for the 1 gallon cans. It also made me an atheist. Why did I get lucky enoughto get a 4.5 gallon can, and others got a 1 gallon can? The answer? Random atoms. Why would a loving god screw some people so badly, or kill babies, or allow wars, or floods, or disease. Again, the answer? He doesn't. This ineffectual god is not worthy of my belief.

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Jun 3, 2015 08:20:27   #
Spankem Loc: NJ
 
Glaucon wrote:
Education is not a noun, it is a verb. You don't get educated. Intelligent people are never educated, they are always educating. Education is a life long process of intellectual curiosity, open mindedness, and constant questioning, including self questioning.


[Quote: Glaucon] What did you feel when reading this? Did you quit reading it because of your anger? Do you have any questions about this or do you want to avoid, ignore, deflect the issue?

I have some questions.

Glaucon, are you trying to educate us to your intelligence based on your lack of education ? Or have you been educated and lack intelligence ?

Glaucon, are these questions intended to educate yourself using the life long process of intellectual curiosity.
Are animals showing intelligence with their curiosity ?
Are you questioning your own opinions here on this site ? or merely making statements based on your education and lack of intelligence or intelligence based on lack of education ? Are you feeling any anger here ?

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Jun 3, 2015 09:08:49   #
Glaucon
 
Spankem wrote:
[Quote: Glaucon] What did you feel when reading this? Did you quit reading it because of your anger? Do you have any questions about this or do you want to avoid, ignore, deflect the issue?

I have some questions.

Glaucon, are you trying to educate us to your intelligence based on your lack of education ? Or have you been educated and lack intelligence ?

Glaucon, are these questions intended to educate yourself using the life long process of intellectual curiosity.
Are animals showing intelligence with their curiosity ?
Are you questioning your own opinions here on this site ? or merely making statements based on your education and lack of intelligence or intelligence based on lack of education ? Are you feeling any anger here ?
Quote: Glaucon What did you feel when reading th... (show quote)


RESPONSE: Spanky, These thoughts and questions were not meant for you, only for adults with average or above average intelligence. Don't worry your little head about it and just go play with yourself.

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Jun 3, 2015 09:18:49   #
Spankem Loc: NJ
 
Glaucon wrote:
RESPONSE: Spanky, These thoughts and questions were not meant for you, only for adults with average or above average intelligence. Don't worry your little head about it and just go play with yourself.


If not for me then who ?
You are exposing yourself for what you really are, I now see the reality of what other people here say about you as true. You have convinced me. And I am done playing with you since you are unpleasant, not humorous, insincere and make no points.

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Jun 3, 2015 10:43:52   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
Glaucon wrote:
The first and most important sign of intelligence is the ability to carefully and skeptically question one’s own opinions, assumptions, beliefs, information and emotions.


Being "Skeptical" about one's own opinions is not the first sign of intelligence, it is the first result of doubt. And if you doubt your own opinion, how is it your opinion? Did you not just declare your doubt about what you say you believe?

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Without this ability, we are dumb, stupid, and ignorant.


Sounds to me more like WITH this ability you are D, S, & I.

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With this ability we have the basic foundation for intelligence and without it, no amount of attempted self education and formal education will make a person intelligent.


Education does not make one intelligent. It makes them educated. And there is very little in education that is intelligent. There is only agreement among those educated, who have developed consensus that education is the first sign of intelligence. Not true, but agreed!

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Both liberals and conservatives can lack this ability and be dumb, Ignorant, or stupid.


Both liberals and conservatives can display this ability and be dumb, Ignorant, AND stupid!

The first sign of intelligence is when you are willing to examine your own opinions to see if there may be room for doubt. THAT is not skepticism. That is an expression of the ability to reason rationally. It usually follows when someone else expresses doubt about your opinion.

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If reading this causes you to feel anger or rage and want to attack, it is a clear indication you lack this ability.


I am neither angry nor outraged, nor do I want to attack. I want to correct what I think is room for doubt in your expressed opinion.

Do you have the ability to reason rationally about the possibility your opinion may be faulted? THAT is a sign of intelligence.

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What did you feel when reading this? Did you quit reading it because of your anger? Do you have any questions about this or do you want to avoid, ignore, deflect the issue?


I felt challenged by an attempt to correctly express the first sign of intelligence. I felt the opinion missed by just a narrow defining of the issues, even though I found no defining elements within the post. I felt that the conclusion served as a defining element thereof.

Now I feel mostly curiosity. I want to see how you manage your own response to my assessment of your opinion.

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Jun 3, 2015 10:50:37   #
Glaucon
 
Theo wrote:
I felt challenged by an attempt to correctly express the first sign of intelligence. I felt the opinion missed by just a narrow defining of the issues, even though I found no defining elements within the post. I felt that the conclusion served as a defining element thereof.

Now I feel mostly curiosity. I want to see how you manage your own response to my assessment of your opinion.

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Jun 3, 2015 10:54:22   #
Glaucon
 
Spankem wrote:
Education can help teach you that you don't know what you don't know about what you don't know.


If you understand your comment, you are on the right track.

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Jun 3, 2015 10:56:43   #
Glaucon
 
MatthewlovesAyn wrote:
Brains are like gas cans. Some people have 5 gallon cans and others have 1 gallon cans. Statistically, I have a 4.5 gallon can. I probably have not filled my can with high test, or probably even filled it to the top.
One thing my can does is give me a certain amount of empathy for the 1 gallon cans. It also made me an atheist. Why did I get lucky enoughto get a 4.5 gallon can, and others got a 1 gallon can? The answer? Random atoms. Why would a loving god screw some people so badly, or kill babies, or allow wars, or floods, or disease. Again, the answer? He doesn't. This ineffectual god is not worthy of my belief.
Brains are like gas cans. Some people have 5 gall... (show quote)
I had never thought of brains as like gas cans. I will try to do so.

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Jun 3, 2015 10:56:57   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
Glaucon wrote:
Education is not a noun, it is a verb. You don't get educated.


Educable is an adjective.
Education is a noun.
Educate is a verb. Educated is a verb. Educating is a verb.

"Self-satisfied" is an adjective describing the educated.

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Intelligent people are never educated, they are always educating.


Smart people are educated. Intelligent people realize they need education to make them smarter.

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Education is a life long process of intellectual curiosity, open mindedness, and constant questioning, including self questioning.


Education in the modern world of intellectualism, is a process whereby a student can progress through a faulted system more quickly by agreeing with the errors of those educators who have preceded them, till they get a degree, and only then call into question, the intelligence of their teacher who replicated error.

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Jun 3, 2015 11:03:36   #
Glaucon
 
Theo wrote:
Education in the modern world of intellectualism, is a process whereby a student can progress through a faulted system more quickly by agreeing with the errors of those educators who have preceded them, till they get a degree, and only then call into question, the intelligence of their teacher who replicated error.
You missed the point of my comments, so your "responses were pretty much unrelated to them.

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