What Historic Figures Said About Islam
Apr 7, 2017 12:48:43 #
I just love collecting quotes and little pearls of wisdom from the famous and sometimes the infamous. Here's a few little pearls from historic figures referring to Islam:
Marco Polo, world famous traveler (d.1324):
"According to their [Muslims’] doctrine, whatever is stolen or plundered from others of a different faith, is properly taken, and the theft is no crime; whilst those who suffer death or injury by the hands of Christians, are considered as martyrs. If, therefore, they were not prohibited and restrained by the [Mongol] powers who now govern them, they would commit many outrages. These principles are common to all Saracens".
When the Mongol khan later discovered the depraved criminality of Achmath (or Ahmed), one of his Muslim governors, Polo writes that that the khan’s
"[A]ttention [went] to the doctrines of the Sect of the Saracens [i.e., Islam], which excuse every crime, yea, even murder itself, when committed on such as are not of their religion. And seeing that this doctrine had led the accursed Achmath and his sons to act as they did without any sense of guilt, the Khan was led to entertain the greatest disgust and abomination for it. So he summoned the Saracens and prohibited their doing many things which their religion enjoined".
Alexis de Tocqueville, French political thinker and philosopher, best known for Democracy in America (d.1859),
"I studied the Quran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. As far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion more to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself".
Sir Winston Churchill, British Prime Minister and a leader of the Allied war effort against Hitler during WWII (1965):
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism [Islam] lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men".
Theophanes, the Byzantine chronicler (d.818):
"He [Muhammad] taught those who gave ear to him that the one slaying the enemy—or being slain by the enemy—entered into paradise [see Koran 9:111]. And he said paradise was carnal and sensual—orgies of eating, drinking, and women. Also, there was a river of wine … and the women were of another sort, and the duration of sex greatly prolonged and its pleasure long-enduring [e.g., Koran 56: 7-40, 78:31, 55:70-77]. And all sorts of other nonsense".
St. Thomas Aquinas, one of Christendom’s most influential philosophers (d.1274):
"He [Muhamad] seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh urges us …. and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected, he was obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine…. Muhammad said that he was sent in the power of his arms—which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants [i.e., his “proof” that God was with him is that he was able to conquer and plunder others]…. Muhammad forced others to become his follower’s by the violence of his arms".
Are these to be labeled 'Islamophobes' along with the rest of us?
Marco Polo, world famous traveler (d.1324):
"According to their [Muslims’] doctrine, whatever is stolen or plundered from others of a different faith, is properly taken, and the theft is no crime; whilst those who suffer death or injury by the hands of Christians, are considered as martyrs. If, therefore, they were not prohibited and restrained by the [Mongol] powers who now govern them, they would commit many outrages. These principles are common to all Saracens".
When the Mongol khan later discovered the depraved criminality of Achmath (or Ahmed), one of his Muslim governors, Polo writes that that the khan’s
"[A]ttention [went] to the doctrines of the Sect of the Saracens [i.e., Islam], which excuse every crime, yea, even murder itself, when committed on such as are not of their religion. And seeing that this doctrine had led the accursed Achmath and his sons to act as they did without any sense of guilt, the Khan was led to entertain the greatest disgust and abomination for it. So he summoned the Saracens and prohibited their doing many things which their religion enjoined".
Alexis de Tocqueville, French political thinker and philosopher, best known for Democracy in America (d.1859),
"I studied the Quran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. As far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion more to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself".
Sir Winston Churchill, British Prime Minister and a leader of the Allied war effort against Hitler during WWII (1965):
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism [Islam] lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men".
Theophanes, the Byzantine chronicler (d.818):
"He [Muhammad] taught those who gave ear to him that the one slaying the enemy—or being slain by the enemy—entered into paradise [see Koran 9:111]. And he said paradise was carnal and sensual—orgies of eating, drinking, and women. Also, there was a river of wine … and the women were of another sort, and the duration of sex greatly prolonged and its pleasure long-enduring [e.g., Koran 56: 7-40, 78:31, 55:70-77]. And all sorts of other nonsense".
St. Thomas Aquinas, one of Christendom’s most influential philosophers (d.1274):
"He [Muhamad] seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh urges us …. and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected, he was obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine…. Muhammad said that he was sent in the power of his arms—which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants [i.e., his “proof” that God was with him is that he was able to conquer and plunder others]…. Muhammad forced others to become his follower’s by the violence of his arms".
Are these to be labeled 'Islamophobes' along with the rest of us?
Apr 7, 2017 13:13:28 #
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Apr 7, 2017 14:26:40 #
robmull
Loc: florida
Carol Kelly wrote:
Very interesting! What else do you have?
What else is really necessary, CK, besides the add just below these "threads," for Muslims {"4.5 million on site"}, for "dating/marriage" to other single Muslims in America. Is that "vetted" or "un-vetted"} Muslims? Hummmmmmmmmmmmm. How many wives??? Like, could I {if I was a rich vetted or un-vetted Muslim}, order 4 or 5 to marry and like another 6 or 7 for a small harem??? Interesting. And how-about age??? Aren't Muslim women in the 7th century barbaric Sharia Laws of "no-go" {radical} Islam, past their prime at 8 years old??? And what about "honor killings?" What happens if one of my harem-girls {or wives} gets out-of the "no-go" zone and looks seductively {in my own mind} at an infidel? Or do I have to just settle for only stoning and/or whipping? How about crucifixion and/or caged burning and/or drownings? Can I {if I was a Sharia Law Muslim}, throw any LGBTQ's I meet off the Trump Tower??? Would I be eligible if I was 12 years old, to move onto one of the 22+? radical Islamic "training" camp in America? With my wives AND concubines??? Can they ALL be receiving Welfare, healthcare, Madrasa education, free combat training, transportation and housing? So many questions. Hummmmmm, again. Ah, I now see some more intriguing recognitions of {radical} Islam from waaaayyyyyy back; like centuries. And "{L}ook who's {trying} coming {to bomb} dinner!!!"
Apr 7, 2017 14:53:28 #
Carol Kelly wrote:
Very interesting! What else do you have?
Weeeellllll, maybe just a couple more....
Apr 7, 2017 14:56:56 #
Alright! Yes, I might just maybe have one or two more, but that's all you're getting!
Apr 7, 2017 14:58:07 #
Apr 7, 2017 15:26:32 #
robmull wrote:
What else is really necessary, CK, besides the add... (show quote)
Um, Hi Rob. Just doing a quick scan over the last post you did there and just kinda got to wondering... Uh, is this, like, um, you know, a, uh, and don't get me wrong but I really got to ask, is it, like a, uh..... wish list, or,.... something? It just looks that way, you know?
Apr 8, 2017 12:53:42 #
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