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Apr 6, 2017 10:29:17   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
"Is The United States About To Bomb North Korea? The White House Says ‘The Clock Has Now Run Out’"


"Is The United States About To Bomb North Korea?
The White House Says ‘The Clock Has Now Run Out’"
By Michael Snyder

"I got chills when I saw a CNN report that said that a White House official has just warned that “the clock has now run out” on North Korea’s nuclear program and that “all options are on the table”. That second phrase has been repeatedly used by members of the Trump administration in recent days, and everyone knows what it means. When I wrote that a conflict with North Korea could be “Trump’s first war” last month, I was still hoping that cooler heads would prevail and that a military conflict could be avoided. Unfortunately, it appears that a peaceful solution is not in the cards, and that means that the United States may soon start bombing North Korea. And of course if that happens the North Koreans will strike back with whatever they can, and that includes nuclear weapons.

I don’t know if I have the words to effectively communicate how serious this situation could become. We have gotten to the point where the White House is openly talking of going to war with a nuclear power: "A senior White House official issued a dire warning to reporters Tuesday on the state of North Korea’s nuclear program, declaring “the clock has now run out and all options are on the table.” “The clock has now run out, and all options are on the table,” the official said, pointing to the failure of successive administration’s efforts to negotiate an end to North Korea’s nuclear program."

Later this week, President Trump is going to meet with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Florida. The eyes of the entire world will be on this summit, because everyone knows that Trump is going to press the Chinese leader for help on resolving the crisis with North Korea.

But what can China actually do? The Chinese could cut off trade with North Korea, and that would definitely hurt, but North Korean leader Kim Jong Un appears to have become convinced that long range nuclear missiles are the key to the survival of his regime, and so he will never give up his nuclear program. And the Chinese will certainly not strike North Korea militarily, and so ultimately if something is going to be done to stop North Korea from getting long range nuclear missiles it will be up to the United States.

On Tuesday morning, North Korea once again showed their defiance by firing yet another test missile into the Sea of Japan: "The missile was fired from the Sinpo region at 10.40pm GMT (6.10am local time) on the communist nation’s east coast and landed into the sea off the Korean peninsula, South Korean military officials confirmed. The rocket is believed to have flown around 37 miles before crashing into the sea. Specific details about the type of projectile were not immediately available." Kim Jong Un conducted more missile tests in 2016 than his father did in nearly two decades. It has become crystal clear that North Korea is not going to back down.

President Trump is still hoping that China will step up to the plate, but if the Chinese don’t he has already stated that the United States is fully prepared to “act alone”. In fact, he made headlines all over the planet when he told the Financial Times the following: “Well if China is not going to solve North Korea, we will. That is all I am telling you.” It doesn’t take much imagination to figure out what Trump is saying there. Previous administrations have tried sanctions and negotiations for decades, and they all failed.

In the end, Trump is going to be faced with a choice whether to bomb North Korea or not, and four-star general Jack Keane says that bombing North Korea “may be the only option left”: A four-star general with close ties to Donald Trump has warned that military strikes are ‘rapidly’ becoming the only solution to North Korea’s nuclear program. Jack Keane, who declined the President’s offer to become Defense Secretary last year, said bombing Kim Jong-un’s nuclear facilities ‘may be the only option left. But bombing North Korea is not like bombing Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya or Syria. The North Koreans already have nuclear weapons, and the U.S. better destroy them all in an overwhelming initial assault, because Kim Jong Un will use any that survive to strike back.

If you doubt this, just consider what a very high level North Korean defector just told Lester Holt of NBC News: "A senior North Korean defector has told NBC News that the country’s “desperate” dictator is prepared to use nuclear weapons to strike the United States and its allies. Thae Yong Ho is the most high profile North Korean defector in two decades, meaning he is able to give a rare insight into the secretive, authoritarian regime. According to Thae, North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un is “desperate in maintaining his rule by relying on his [development of] nuclear weapons and ICBM.” He was using an acronym for intercontinental ballistic missiles - a long range rocket that in theory would be capable of hitting the U.S. North Korea is currently developing an intercontinental ballistic missile known as the “Taepodong 2” that will have a range of approximately 8000 kilometers. In other words, it would be capable of striking cities in the western portion of the United States."

It is unthinkable that we would allow a tyrannical leader that is literally insane and that is obsessed with destroying the United States to have such a weapon. But the moment that we start dropping bombs on North Korea we will start a war in which millions could die. Whatever nuclear weapons are missed in the first assault will likely be fired at U.S. military bases in Japan or at South Korea’s capital city of Seoul. Approximately 10 million people live in Seoul, so the death toll would be absolutely enormous. And even if all North Korean nuclear devices are destroyed by the first attack, the North Koreans still have thousands of artillery guns and rocket launchers trained on Seoul, and they would not hesitate to use their vast stockpile of chemical warheads.

After the initial North Korean barrage, the fourth largest military on the entire planet would start pouring across the border in a massive invasion of South Korea. The U.S. military would be forced to respond with large scale ground forces if South Korea would have any chance of surviving, and just like in the first Korean War the Chinese may decide to respond to that move by committing their own troops to the war on the side of North Korea.

This is a season of “wars and rumors of wars”, and most Americans have no idea how dangerously close we are to the beginning of World War III. My hope is that a peaceful way out of this crisis can still be found, but at this point that is becoming increasingly difficult to imagine.

If Donald Trump decides to go to war with North Korea, he needs to hit them with an absolutely overwhelming first strike that takes out every single North Korean nuke, the bulk of North Korea’s artillery and rockets, and the entire North Korean leadership team within the first few minutes of the attack. It is hard to imagine a scenario that does not involve nukes that would accomplish that.

And Donald Trump better get the public approval of South Korean and Japanese leadership before ever attempting such an attack, because they will likely pay the highest price if North Korea is able to strike back. If South Korea or Japan balk at backing such an operation and then they get hit by North Korean nukes, the United States could lose them as friends and allies forever. The stakes are incredibly high, and there are so many things that could go wrong. So let us pray for peace, because the alternative is almost too horrible to imagine."

- http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/

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Apr 6, 2017 10:36:53   #
jer48 Loc: perris ca
 
pafret wrote:
"Is The United States About To Bomb North Korea? The White House Says ‘The Clock Has Now Run Out’"


"Is The United States About To Bomb North Korea?
The White House Says ‘The Clock Has Now Run Out’"
By Michael Snyder

"I got chills when I saw a CNN report that said that a White House official has just warned that “the clock has now run out” on North Korea’s nuclear program and that “all options are on the table”. That second phrase has been repeatedly used by members of the Trump administration in recent days, and everyone knows what it means. When I wrote that a conflict with North Korea could be “Trump’s first war” last month, I was still hoping that cooler heads would prevail and that a military conflict could be avoided. Unfortunately, it appears that a peaceful solution is not in the cards, and that means that the United States may soon start bombing North Korea. And of course if that happens the North Koreans will strike back with whatever they can, and that includes nuclear weapons.

I don’t know if I have the words to effectively communicate how serious this situation could become. We have gotten to the point where the White House is openly talking of going to war with a nuclear power: "A senior White House official issued a dire warning to reporters Tuesday on the state of North Korea’s nuclear program, declaring “the clock has now run out and all options are on the table.” “The clock has now run out, and all options are on the table,” the official said, pointing to the failure of successive administration’s efforts to negotiate an end to North Korea’s nuclear program."

Later this week, President Trump is going to meet with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Florida. The eyes of the entire world will be on this summit, because everyone knows that Trump is going to press the Chinese leader for help on resolving the crisis with North Korea.

But what can China actually do? The Chinese could cut off trade with North Korea, and that would definitely hurt, but North Korean leader Kim Jong Un appears to have become convinced that long range nuclear missiles are the key to the survival of his regime, and so he will never give up his nuclear program. And the Chinese will certainly not strike North Korea militarily, and so ultimately if something is going to be done to stop North Korea from getting long range nuclear missiles it will be up to the United States.

On Tuesday morning, North Korea once again showed their defiance by firing yet another test missile into the Sea of Japan: "The missile was fired from the Sinpo region at 10.40pm GMT (6.10am local time) on the communist nation’s east coast and landed into the sea off the Korean peninsula, South Korean military officials confirmed. The rocket is believed to have flown around 37 miles before crashing into the sea. Specific details about the type of projectile were not immediately available." Kim Jong Un conducted more missile tests in 2016 than his father did in nearly two decades. It has become crystal clear that North Korea is not going to back down.

President Trump is still hoping that China will step up to the plate, but if the Chinese don’t he has already stated that the United States is fully prepared to “act alone”. In fact, he made headlines all over the planet when he told the Financial Times the following: “Well if China is not going to solve North Korea, we will. That is all I am telling you.” It doesn’t take much imagination to figure out what Trump is saying there. Previous administrations have tried sanctions and negotiations for decades, and they all failed.

In the end, Trump is going to be faced with a choice whether to bomb North Korea or not, and four-star general Jack Keane says that bombing North Korea “may be the only option left”: A four-star general with close ties to Donald Trump has warned that military strikes are ‘rapidly’ becoming the only solution to North Korea’s nuclear program. Jack Keane, who declined the President’s offer to become Defense Secretary last year, said bombing Kim Jong-un’s nuclear facilities ‘may be the only option left. But bombing North Korea is not like bombing Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya or Syria. The North Koreans already have nuclear weapons, and the U.S. better destroy them all in an overwhelming initial assault, because Kim Jong Un will use any that survive to strike back.

If you doubt this, just consider what a very high level North Korean defector just told Lester Holt of NBC News: "A senior North Korean defector has told NBC News that the country’s “desperate” dictator is prepared to use nuclear weapons to strike the United States and its allies. Thae Yong Ho is the most high profile North Korean defector in two decades, meaning he is able to give a rare insight into the secretive, authoritarian regime. According to Thae, North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un is “desperate in maintaining his rule by relying on his [development of] nuclear weapons and ICBM.” He was using an acronym for intercontinental ballistic missiles - a long range rocket that in theory would be capable of hitting the U.S. North Korea is currently developing an intercontinental ballistic missile known as the “Taepodong 2” that will have a range of approximately 8000 kilometers. In other words, it would be capable of striking cities in the western portion of the United States."

It is unthinkable that we would allow a tyrannical leader that is literally insane and that is obsessed with destroying the United States to have such a weapon. But the moment that we start dropping bombs on North Korea we will start a war in which millions could die. Whatever nuclear weapons are missed in the first assault will likely be fired at U.S. military bases in Japan or at South Korea’s capital city of Seoul. Approximately 10 million people live in Seoul, so the death toll would be absolutely enormous. And even if all North Korean nuclear devices are destroyed by the first attack, the North Koreans still have thousands of artillery guns and rocket launchers trained on Seoul, and they would not hesitate to use their vast stockpile of chemical warheads.

After the initial North Korean barrage, the fourth largest military on the entire planet would start pouring across the border in a massive invasion of South Korea. The U.S. military would be forced to respond with large scale ground forces if South Korea would have any chance of surviving, and just like in the first Korean War the Chinese may decide to respond to that move by committing their own troops to the war on the side of North Korea.

This is a season of “wars and rumors of wars”, and most Americans have no idea how dangerously close we are to the beginning of World War III. My hope is that a peaceful way out of this crisis can still be found, but at this point that is becoming increasingly difficult to imagine.

If Donald Trump decides to go to war with North Korea, he needs to hit them with an absolutely overwhelming first strike that takes out every single North Korean nuke, the bulk of North Korea’s artillery and rockets, and the entire North Korean leadership team within the first few minutes of the attack. It is hard to imagine a scenario that does not involve nukes that would accomplish that.

And Donald Trump better get the public approval of South Korean and Japanese leadership before ever attempting such an attack, because they will likely pay the highest price if North Korea is able to strike back. If South Korea or Japan balk at backing such an operation and then they get hit by North Korean nukes, the United States could lose them as friends and allies forever. The stakes are incredibly high, and there are so many things that could go wrong. So let us pray for peace, because the alternative is almost too horrible to imagine."

- http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/
"Is The United States About To Bomb North Kor... (show quote)


we can't let N.Korea and Iran dictate policy. send in a hit team and get rid of him

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Apr 6, 2017 10:55:30   #
pappadeux Loc: Phoenix AZ
 
Anybody old enough to remember the start of WWII? when just a year before the British prime minister made a 'bargain'deal with Hitler declared " peace in our time " in which time ran out Sept 9th the following year. Had the Brits.dealt with the problem in a forceful way, we could have avoided WWII. It seems that we will never learn, Hopefully, our current POTUS will have the guts to nip this problem in the bud before it blooms into WWIII. Also, today is the anniversary of WWI. Take time out of your very busy social calendar to look this up as you just learn something about the real world that we live in.

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Apr 6, 2017 10:56:09   #
I.R. Wayright
 
Send Hillary. She already knows how to dodge sniper fire. Do you know anyone with a higher body count than her?
She can take Dennis Rodman along too.

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Apr 6, 2017 11:05:53   #
vettelover Loc: Richmond Va
 
pafret wrote:
"Is The United States About To Bomb North Korea? The White House Says ‘The Clock Has Now Run Out’"


"Is The United States About To Bomb North Korea?
The White House Says ‘The Clock Has Now Run Out’"
By Michael Snyder

"I got chills when I saw a CNN report that said that a White House official has just warned that “the clock has now run out” on North Korea’s nuclear program and that “all options are on the table”. That second phrase has been repeatedly used by members of the Trump administration in recent days, and everyone knows what it means. When I wrote that a conflict with North Korea could be “Trump’s first war” last month, I was still hoping that cooler heads would prevail and that a military conflict could be avoided. Unfortunately, it appears that a peaceful solution is not in the cards, and that means that the United States may soon start bombing North Korea. And of course if that happens the North Koreans will strike back with whatever they can, and that includes nuclear weapons.

I don’t know if I have the words to effectively communicate how serious this situation could become. We have gotten to the point where the White House is openly talking of going to war with a nuclear power: "A senior White House official issued a dire warning to reporters Tuesday on the state of North Korea’s nuclear program, declaring “the clock has now run out and all options are on the table.” “The clock has now run out, and all options are on the table,” the official said, pointing to the failure of successive administration’s efforts to negotiate an end to North Korea’s nuclear program."

Later this week, President Trump is going to meet with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Florida. The eyes of the entire world will be on this summit, because everyone knows that Trump is going to press the Chinese leader for help on resolving the crisis with North Korea.

But what can China actually do? The Chinese could cut off trade with North Korea, and that would definitely hurt, but North Korean leader Kim Jong Un appears to have become convinced that long range nuclear missiles are the key to the survival of his regime, and so he will never give up his nuclear program. And the Chinese will certainly not strike North Korea militarily, and so ultimately if something is going to be done to stop North Korea from getting long range nuclear missiles it will be up to the United States.

On Tuesday morning, North Korea once again showed their defiance by firing yet another test missile into the Sea of Japan: "The missile was fired from the Sinpo region at 10.40pm GMT (6.10am local time) on the communist nation’s east coast and landed into the sea off the Korean peninsula, South Korean military officials confirmed. The rocket is believed to have flown around 37 miles before crashing into the sea. Specific details about the type of projectile were not immediately available." Kim Jong Un conducted more missile tests in 2016 than his father did in nearly two decades. It has become crystal clear that North Korea is not going to back down.

President Trump is still hoping that China will step up to the plate, but if the Chinese don’t he has already stated that the United States is fully prepared to “act alone”. In fact, he made headlines all over the planet when he told the Financial Times the following: “Well if China is not going to solve North Korea, we will. That is all I am telling you.” It doesn’t take much imagination to figure out what Trump is saying there. Previous administrations have tried sanctions and negotiations for decades, and they all failed.

In the end, Trump is going to be faced with a choice whether to bomb North Korea or not, and four-star general Jack Keane says that bombing North Korea “may be the only option left”: A four-star general with close ties to Donald Trump has warned that military strikes are ‘rapidly’ becoming the only solution to North Korea’s nuclear program. Jack Keane, who declined the President’s offer to become Defense Secretary last year, said bombing Kim Jong-un’s nuclear facilities ‘may be the only option left. But bombing North Korea is not like bombing Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya or Syria. The North Koreans already have nuclear weapons, and the U.S. better destroy them all in an overwhelming initial assault, because Kim Jong Un will use any that survive to strike back.

If you doubt this, just consider what a very high level North Korean defector just told Lester Holt of NBC News: "A senior North Korean defector has told NBC News that the country’s “desperate” dictator is prepared to use nuclear weapons to strike the United States and its allies. Thae Yong Ho is the most high profile North Korean defector in two decades, meaning he is able to give a rare insight into the secretive, authoritarian regime. According to Thae, North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un is “desperate in maintaining his rule by relying on his [development of] nuclear weapons and ICBM.” He was using an acronym for intercontinental ballistic missiles - a long range rocket that in theory would be capable of hitting the U.S. North Korea is currently developing an intercontinental ballistic missile known as the “Taepodong 2” that will have a range of approximately 8000 kilometers. In other words, it would be capable of striking cities in the western portion of the United States."

It is unthinkable that we would allow a tyrannical leader that is literally insane and that is obsessed with destroying the United States to have such a weapon. But the moment that we start dropping bombs on North Korea we will start a war in which millions could die. Whatever nuclear weapons are missed in the first assault will likely be fired at U.S. military bases in Japan or at South Korea’s capital city of Seoul. Approximately 10 million people live in Seoul, so the death toll would be absolutely enormous. And even if all North Korean nuclear devices are destroyed by the first attack, the North Koreans still have thousands of artillery guns and rocket launchers trained on Seoul, and they would not hesitate to use their vast stockpile of chemical warheads.

After the initial North Korean barrage, the fourth largest military on the entire planet would start pouring across the border in a massive invasion of South Korea. The U.S. military would be forced to respond with large scale ground forces if South Korea would have any chance of surviving, and just like in the first Korean War the Chinese may decide to respond to that move by committing their own troops to the war on the side of North Korea.

This is a season of “wars and rumors of wars”, and most Americans have no idea how dangerously close we are to the beginning of World War III. My hope is that a peaceful way out of this crisis can still be found, but at this point that is becoming increasingly difficult to imagine.

If Donald Trump decides to go to war with North Korea, he needs to hit them with an absolutely overwhelming first strike that takes out every single North Korean nuke, the bulk of North Korea’s artillery and rockets, and the entire North Korean leadership team within the first few minutes of the attack. It is hard to imagine a scenario that does not involve nukes that would accomplish that.

And Donald Trump better get the public approval of South Korean and Japanese leadership before ever attempting such an attack, because they will likely pay the highest price if North Korea is able to strike back. If South Korea or Japan balk at backing such an operation and then they get hit by North Korean nukes, the United States could lose them as friends and allies forever. The stakes are incredibly high, and there are so many things that could go wrong. So let us pray for peace, because the alternative is almost too horrible to imagine."

- http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/
"Is The United States About To Bomb North Kor... (show quote)


As you probably know, we are still in a state of war with North Korea. There was never a peace treaty to officially end the conflict. An armistice was signed and it ended in a stalemate.

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Apr 6, 2017 11:33:58   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
pafret, This is one of those times I'm glad I'm not President. If Trump does bomb that sick little maniac in North Korea, they may very well open up on our ally South Korea. I understand they have enough artillery to destroy the capital. They even could use nukes. If we don't, they will someday soon have an ICBM capable of reaching us. That would mean a land war on the mainland of Asia on China's border. We better make sure China knows whats at stake, and will do what it takes to stop North Korea. No doubt the Chinese will try to gain economic advantages to do this. I would start moving more anti missile missiles to South Korea, as well as a few attack aircraft carriers and troops to both South Korea and Japan to show them we mean business. I sure hope they will buy it. If not start small actions against the North Koreans and increase them as necessary.
pafret wrote:
"Is The United States About To Bomb North Korea? The White House Says ‘The Clock Has Now Run Out’"


"Is The United States About To Bomb North Korea?
The White House Says ‘The Clock Has Now Run Out’"
By Michael Snyder

"I got chills when I saw a CNN report that said that a White House official has just warned that “the clock has now run out” on North Korea’s nuclear program and that “all options are on the table”. That second phrase has been repeatedly used by members of the Trump administration in recent days, and everyone knows what it means. When I wrote that a conflict with North Korea could be “Trump’s first war” last month, I was still hoping that cooler heads would prevail and that a military conflict could be avoided. Unfortunately, it appears that a peaceful solution is not in the cards, and that means that the United States may soon start bombing North Korea. And of course if that happens the North Koreans will strike back with whatever they can, and that includes nuclear weapons.

I don’t know if I have the words to effectively communicate how serious this situation could become. We have gotten to the point where the White House is openly talking of going to war with a nuclear power: "A senior White House official issued a dire warning to reporters Tuesday on the state of North Korea’s nuclear program, declaring “the clock has now run out and all options are on the table.” “The clock has now run out, and all options are on the table,” the official said, pointing to the failure of successive administration’s efforts to negotiate an end to North Korea’s nuclear program."

Later this week, President Trump is going to meet with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Florida. The eyes of the entire world will be on this summit, because everyone knows that Trump is going to press the Chinese leader for help on resolving the crisis with North Korea.

But what can China actually do? The Chinese could cut off trade with North Korea, and that would definitely hurt, but North Korean leader Kim Jong Un appears to have become convinced that long range nuclear missiles are the key to the survival of his regime, and so he will never give up his nuclear program. And the Chinese will certainly not strike North Korea militarily, and so ultimately if something is going to be done to stop North Korea from getting long range nuclear missiles it will be up to the United States.

On Tuesday morning, North Korea once again showed their defiance by firing yet another test missile into the Sea of Japan: "The missile was fired from the Sinpo region at 10.40pm GMT (6.10am local time) on the communist nation’s east coast and landed into the sea off the Korean peninsula, South Korean military officials confirmed. The rocket is believed to have flown around 37 miles before crashing into the sea. Specific details about the type of projectile were not immediately available." Kim Jong Un conducted more missile tests in 2016 than his father did in nearly two decades. It has become crystal clear that North Korea is not going to back down.

President Trump is still hoping that China will step up to the plate, but if the Chinese don’t he has already stated that the United States is fully prepared to “act alone”. In fact, he made headlines all over the planet when he told the Financial Times the following: “Well if China is not going to solve North Korea, we will. That is all I am telling you.” It doesn’t take much imagination to figure out what Trump is saying there. Previous administrations have tried sanctions and negotiations for decades, and they all failed.

In the end, Trump is going to be faced with a choice whether to bomb North Korea or not, and four-star general Jack Keane says that bombing North Korea “may be the only option left”: A four-star general with close ties to Donald Trump has warned that military strikes are ‘rapidly’ becoming the only solution to North Korea’s nuclear program. Jack Keane, who declined the President’s offer to become Defense Secretary last year, said bombing Kim Jong-un’s nuclear facilities ‘may be the only option left. But bombing North Korea is not like bombing Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya or Syria. The North Koreans already have nuclear weapons, and the U.S. better destroy them all in an overwhelming initial assault, because Kim Jong Un will use any that survive to strike back.

If you doubt this, just consider what a very high level North Korean defector just told Lester Holt of NBC News: "A senior North Korean defector has told NBC News that the country’s “desperate” dictator is prepared to use nuclear weapons to strike the United States and its allies. Thae Yong Ho is the most high profile North Korean defector in two decades, meaning he is able to give a rare insight into the secretive, authoritarian regime. According to Thae, North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un is “desperate in maintaining his rule by relying on his [development of] nuclear weapons and ICBM.” He was using an acronym for intercontinental ballistic missiles - a long range rocket that in theory would be capable of hitting the U.S. North Korea is currently developing an intercontinental ballistic missile known as the “Taepodong 2” that will have a range of approximately 8000 kilometers. In other words, it would be capable of striking cities in the western portion of the United States."

It is unthinkable that we would allow a tyrannical leader that is literally insane and that is obsessed with destroying the United States to have such a weapon. But the moment that we start dropping bombs on North Korea we will start a war in which millions could die. Whatever nuclear weapons are missed in the first assault will likely be fired at U.S. military bases in Japan or at South Korea’s capital city of Seoul. Approximately 10 million people live in Seoul, so the death toll would be absolutely enormous. And even if all North Korean nuclear devices are destroyed by the first attack, the North Koreans still have thousands of artillery guns and rocket launchers trained on Seoul, and they would not hesitate to use their vast stockpile of chemical warheads.

After the initial North Korean barrage, the fourth largest military on the entire planet would start pouring across the border in a massive invasion of South Korea. The U.S. military would be forced to respond with large scale ground forces if South Korea would have any chance of surviving, and just like in the first Korean War the Chinese may decide to respond to that move by committing their own troops to the war on the side of North Korea.

This is a season of “wars and rumors of wars”, and most Americans have no idea how dangerously close we are to the beginning of World War III. My hope is that a peaceful way out of this crisis can still be found, but at this point that is becoming increasingly difficult to imagine.

If Donald Trump decides to go to war with North Korea, he needs to hit them with an absolutely overwhelming first strike that takes out every single North Korean nuke, the bulk of North Korea’s artillery and rockets, and the entire North Korean leadership team within the first few minutes of the attack. It is hard to imagine a scenario that does not involve nukes that would accomplish that.

And Donald Trump better get the public approval of South Korean and Japanese leadership before ever attempting such an attack, because they will likely pay the highest price if North Korea is able to strike back. If South Korea or Japan balk at backing such an operation and then they get hit by North Korean nukes, the United States could lose them as friends and allies forever. The stakes are incredibly high, and there are so many things that could go wrong. So let us pray for peace, because the alternative is almost too horrible to imagine."

- http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/
"Is The United States About To Bomb North Kor... (show quote)

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Apr 6, 2017 11:44:41   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
pafret, This is one of those times I'm glad I'm not President. If Trump does bomb that sick little maniac in North Korea, they may very well open up on our ally South Korea. I understand they have enough artillery to destroy the capital. They even could use nukes. If we don't, they will someday soon have an ICBM capable of reaching us. That would mean a land war on the mainland of Asia on China's border. We better make sure China knows whats at stake, and will do what it takes to stop North Korea. No doubt the Chinese will try to gain economic advantages to do this. I would start moving more anti missile missiles to South Korea, as well as a few attack aircraft carriers and troops to both South Korea and Japan to show them we mean business. I sure hope they will buy it. If not start small actions against the North Koreans and increase them as necessary.
pafret, This is one of those times I'm glad I'm no... (show quote)


This is a very dangerous time, hat madman baby Jong supposedly has ICBM's and there is nio question that if they don't wipe out all capability many nations could suffer retaliation. If the use sufficient force to destroy all possibility of resistance, how many people are we going to kill? If our "intelligence" community does their usual fabulous smoke and mirror false flag operation we can get sucked into a shooting war with China as well.

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Apr 6, 2017 11:55:29   #
I.R. Wayright
 
Trump: We need your help with the miserable dictator Kim Jung Un." "What can you do about him?
Xi Jinping: "We can eliminate the problem, but we need some compensation for our inscrutable efforts."
Trump: "What would you want in exchange?"
Xi Jinping: "Taiwan."

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Apr 6, 2017 13:27:07   #
jimahrens Loc: California
 
It's called a Catch 22!
saltwind 78 wrote:
pafret, This is one of those times I'm glad I'm not President. If Trump does bomb that sick little maniac in North Korea, they may very well open up on our ally South Korea. I understand they have enough artillery to destroy the capital. They even could use nukes. If we don't, they will someday soon have an ICBM capable of reaching us. That would mean a land war on the mainland of Asia on China's border. We better make sure China knows whats at stake, and will do what it takes to stop North Korea. No doubt the Chinese will try to gain economic advantages to do this. I would start moving more anti missile missiles to South Korea, as well as a few attack aircraft carriers and troops to both South Korea and Japan to show them we mean business. I sure hope they will buy it. If not start small actions against the North Koreans and increase them as necessary.
pafret, This is one of those times I'm glad I'm no... (show quote)

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Apr 7, 2017 13:20:39   #
Paybacktimeishere
 
Is The U.S. About To Bomb North Korea?

I hope not, but this entire problem, could have been "Dealt With" by General, Douglas McCarthur, back in 1953!! The scatter-brained,
Democratic President, Harry Truman, would NOT
Allow General McCarthur, to "Finish The Job", by
Taking Out both North Korea & it's "Puppet Master", Communist China. I sometimes wonder
if Mr. Truman was himself, A COMMUNIST, since
their are SO MANY, running around, unmolested!! Just think, had Gen. McCarthur been allowed to DO His JOB, We would NOT Be
Having these problem's Today!!! The Vietnam War was also LOST, because of Civilian, "Educated Idiot's", "MICRO-MIS-MANAGING", A WAR, from some Ten Thousand Miles Away, in Wash. D/C!!! I, Would have given the U.S.
Military, the "Green Light", to thoroughly "CRUSH" The Enemy, Completely, & Without Mercy!!! It seem's the Democrat's, CAN even "Screw-Up", A "WET DREAM"!!! They ARE Alway's Best, When It Comes To SABOTAGING,
& WEAKENING AMERICA; & Creating Their NEW,
PHONY, IMBECILIC "GOD"; "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS"!!! & "THEIR "GOD'S" little helper's, "MULTICULTURAL DIVERSITY" & "GAY
MARRIAGE"!!! DEO VINDICE!!!

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Apr 7, 2017 13:38:57   #
I.R. Wayright
 
I agree with your premise. However, it is MacArthur, not McCarthur. The good General was prepared to use nuclear weapons to kill the hordes of North Korean and Red Chinese armies.
Truman had a hard time unleashing those weapons after seeing what they were capable of.
We did not "lose" the Vietnam War. It was frittered away in a "peace accord" that wasn't worth the paper it was written on. And the signatures were signed within a week of unconditional surrender after the North Vietnamese had run out of ground to air SAM missiles to shoot down our bombers with. Henry Kissinger still thinks he is some kind of genius for that peace pact.
I disagree with him on that.
I was a participant in that war and have accumulated over 60 books on the subject. One was written by former South Vietnamese communist who found out too late what communism was all about. He was a spy who furnished intel to the North and figured he would have a place in the government after the fall of Saigon. He was quite wrong about that as the North took over and ran the entire government. There is a lesson for those who support communists in this country. If you betray your country and it is taken over by communists, you will be of little use to them as your own loyalty would forever be in question. In other words, useful idiot.

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Apr 7, 2017 15:34:01   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
I.R. Wayright wrote:
I agree with your premise. However, it is MacArthur, not McCarthur. The good General was prepared to use nuclear weapons to kill the hordes of North Korean and Red Chinese armies.
Truman had a hard time unleashing those weapons after seeing what they were capable of.
We did not "lose" the Vietnam War. It was frittered away in a "peace accord" that wasn't worth the paper it was written on. And the signatures were signed within a week of unconditional surrender after the North Vietnamese had run out of ground to air SAM missiles to shoot down our bombers with. Henry Kissinger still thinks he is some kind of genius for that peace pact.
I disagree with him on that.
I was a participant in that war and have accumulated over 60 books on the subject. One was written by former South Vietnamese communist who found out too late what communism was all about. He was a spy who furnished intel to the North and figured he would have a place in the government after the fall of Saigon. He was quite wrong about that as the North took over and ran the entire government. There is a lesson for those who support communists in this country. If you betray your country and it is taken over by communists, you will be of little use to them as your own loyalty would forever be in question. In other words, useful idiot.
I agree with your premise. However, it is MacArthu... (show quote)


Hindsight is a wondrous thing, we know all "know" that North Korea was out of Air defense missiles but there were a couple of hundred thousand Chinese soldiers fighting us toward the end; these troops were sent when it looked like North Korea was going to be over-run. What makes anyone think China would not re-supply North Korea with whatever they needed? Truman was correct in his assessment that bombing China would have set off the third world war and China would have brought their ally Russia, another nuclear power into the war against us. MacArthur was foolhardy and in love with his own perceived invincibility; he needed firing.

We are facing the same scenario today, taking out the North Korean nuclear facilities may bring China into the war. Although they have not been such good friends with Russia, they can still count on common enemies to make a pact for their defense.

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Apr 7, 2017 15:42:14   #
I.R. Wayright
 
pafret wrote:
Hindsight is a wondrous thing, we know all "know" that North Korea was out of Air defense missiles but there were a couple of hundred thousand Chinese soldiers fighting us toward the end; these troops were sent when it looked like North Korea was going to be over-run. What makes anyone think China would not re-supply North Korea with whatever they needed? Truman was correct in his assessment that bombing China would have set off the third world war and China would have brought their ally Russia, another nuclear power into the war against us. MacArthur was foolhardy and in love with his own perceived invincibility; he needed firing.

We are facing the same scenario today, taking out the North Korean nuclear facilities may bring China into the war. Although they have not been such good friends with Russia, they can still count on common enemies to make a pact for their defense.
Hindsight is a wondrous thing, we know all "k... (show quote)



Read again. I said North VIETNAM was out of air defense missiles.

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Apr 7, 2017 15:49:00   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
I.R. Wayright wrote:
Read again. I said North VIETNAM was out of air defense missiles.


Sorry, you are right, switching wars in the middle of a discussion of MacArthur faked me out. My comments with regard to the perils of attacking China/North Korea are still pertinent.

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Apr 7, 2017 17:37:07   #
boatbob2
 
OUR Military has had,nuclear weapons in South Korea,since 1972,That, I know of,for certain, its likely those weapons were there before 1972.

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