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Apr 2, 2017 06:40:05   #
Huck Loc: The Midwest
 
WHY?
Why do people with supposedly sound minds continue to do the same thing over and over and expect a deferent result? I’ve been told all my life that that is a perfect example of insanity. Yet, we know this is exactly what is happening in states that are run by Democrat leadership. Their policies and laws have been having a negative and corrosive effects upon the growth and stability of their state, but they only double down and try harder with the same failed laws and policies.

I have been fighting Socialism/Liberalism (one and the same) for over half a century and during that time they have been winning because a majority of our citizens no longer give a damn. As I’ve stated so many times over the years, Democrat voters are more concerned about the price of their next frying pan than they are about who and what they’re voting for. I believe with the election of Donald Trump, even though I think he is unsuited to be President, may have awakened the sleeping giant. The faults and all the negatives of the Liberal Democrat Socialist Party are being laid bare for all to see; not only in the United States but all over the world where it is being practiced. Why do so many think they can make it work when they have been proven wrong so many times over the centuries?

“Where the left Governs, Citizens flee,” an article by Timothy H. Lee, dated March 16, 2017, points out the exodus from deep-blue states that are governed by Democrats. He points out that the 10 deep-blue states that Democrats won by the largest percentage margins – California, Massachusetts, Vermont, Hawaii, Maryland, New York, Illinois, Rhode Island, New Jersey and Connecticut – every single one of them lost to domestic migration between 2004 and 2014. He also pointed out that this exodus pattern isn’t limited to the listed states. I will point out that it’s probably happened also in many large cities not among these states, anywhere Democrats have control. He state that nearly 2.75 million more Americans left California and New York than entered those states. I believe the records since 2014 would show that migration has probably been on the increase.

We could probably say these states are reaping what they have sowed. “Their chickens have come home to roost,” but if we give this serious thought the end result is very frightening. It’s who is leaving and who is staying in these Democrat Utopias that should really concern those of us who care about the future of our country. We know who is staying; those of a like mind, or those trapped by their economic plight and illiteracy. There will mostly be the takers that are left and their situation will only worsen, because the givers, the builders, the rational thinking Liberty loving American individuals are migrating out from under the heavy thumb of Socialism/Liberalism and migrating to those state run by Republican Leadership in search of the American Dream. There may be a few exceptions as always, but they will be few.

As these blue states turn purple the more fractured and volatile our society will become. These states will be states in name only; they will be failed socialist countries, as all socialist countries do, within the boundaries of the United States and the rest of the country will be picking up the tab. California already wants to be a separate nation. Note: I am a believer that regardless of how the Supreme Court may rule, the various state were under the impression that they had that right to secede from the union any time they chose, or our Constitution would never have been ratified in the first place; I believe I read that somewhere within the The Federalist Papers. Of course Abraham Lincoln had other ideas. I hate to think what our country would be like today if the Confederacy was allowed to exist on our Southern border as an independent nation? Today we could be debating building a wall alone the Mason/Dixon Line.

I’ve mentioned in an earlier post that our laws should never be allowed to be used for our own destruction, but yet that appears to be what is happening. It appears there is nothing much a responsible government can do about it except possibly to withhold funds. Most of the major cities within these liberally controlled states are also sanctuary enclaves for criminal activity within their state. The radically Liberal Leadership within these Democrat controlled states and cities can defy Federal laws by sheltering criminals, would be murderers, and themselves virtually immune to prosecution; Accomplice, Accessory, Acquiescence and other legal terms appear not to apply. It’s conditions such as this that spawn vigilantism and that’s is the last thing we want to happen.

We can now see why Socialism/Liberalism should be subjects for debate only, never actually put to practice. We now can see that the results are disastrous to a Republic.

Huck

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Apr 2, 2017 07:00:47   #
Ashatus
 
Why? Ignorant of history. Then again, perhaps just ignorant. Here is the problem: Ignorant people think they Know it all. Bright people understand how little we know about everything.

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Apr 2, 2017 07:14:07   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Ashatus wrote:
Why? Ignorant of history. Then again, perhaps just ignorant. Here is the problem: Ignorant people think they Know it all. Bright people understand how little we know about everything.



I'm afraid you are the one who needs education. What Huck states is exactly right. Do you know what the twenty poorest and most dangerous cities have in common? They are all governed by Democrat administrations. It isn't hard to confirm this - just google poorest cities in America.

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Apr 2, 2017 09:07:45   #
smithdw55 Loc: Texas
 
Really Ashatus? Ignorant of History? Maybe U should provide something other than platatude, name calling and unsupported comment to give some meat to UR comment. There is little to debate based on UR statement. Which just goes to prove some of what Huck is saying "Socialism/Liberalism should be subjects for debate only". Except that U know well, debate of a failed philosophy will only end in a failed debate. I guess I see why U can only complain, call names, and run from the fact that what Huck has stated is spot on.

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Apr 2, 2017 13:19:00   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Huck wrote:
WHY?
Why do people with supposedly sound minds continue to do the same thing over and over and expect a deferent result? I’ve been told all my life that that is a perfect example of insanity. Yet, we know this is exactly what is happening in states that are run by Democrat leadership. Their policies and laws have been having a negative and corrosive effects upon the growth and stability of their state, but they only double down and try harder with the same failed laws and policies.

I have been fighting Socialism/Liberalism (one and the same) for over half a century and during that time they have been winning because a majority of our citizens no longer give a damn. As I’ve stated so many times over the years, Democrat voters are more concerned about the price of their next frying pan than they are about who and what they’re voting for. I believe with the election of Donald Trump, even though I think he is unsuited to be President, may have awakened the sleeping giant. The faults and all the negatives of the Liberal Democrat Socialist Party are being laid bare for all to see; not only in the United States but all over the world where it is being practiced. Why do so many think they can make it work when they have been proven wrong so many times over the centuries?

“Where the left Governs, Citizens flee,” an article by Timothy H. Lee, dated March 16, 2017, points out the exodus from deep-blue states that are governed by Democrats. He points out that the 10 deep-blue states that Democrats won by the largest percentage margins – California, Massachusetts, Vermont, Hawaii, Maryland, New York, Illinois, Rhode Island, New Jersey and Connecticut – every single one of them lost to domestic migration between 2004 and 2014. He also pointed out that this exodus pattern isn’t limited to the listed states. I will point out that it’s probably happened also in many large cities not among these states, anywhere Democrats have control. He state that nearly 2.75 million more Americans left California and New York than entered those states. I believe the records since 2014 would show that migration has probably been on the increase.

We could probably say these states are reaping what they have sowed. “Their chickens have come home to roost,” but if we give this serious thought the end result is very frightening. It’s who is leaving and who is staying in these Democrat Utopias that should really concern those of us who care about the future of our country. We know who is staying; those of a like mind, or those trapped by their economic plight and illiteracy. There will mostly be the takers that are left and their situation will only worsen, because the givers, the builders, the rational thinking Liberty loving American individuals are migrating out from under the heavy thumb of Socialism/Liberalism and migrating to those state run by Republican Leadership in search of the American Dream. There may be a few exceptions as always, but they will be few.

As these blue states turn purple the more fractured and volatile our society will become. These states will be states in name only; they will be failed socialist countries, as all socialist countries do, within the boundaries of the United States and the rest of the country will be picking up the tab. California already wants to be a separate nation. Note: I am a believer that regardless of how the Supreme Court may rule, the various state were under the impression that they had that right to secede from the union any time they chose, or our Constitution would never have been ratified in the first place; I believe I read that somewhere within the The Federalist Papers. Of course Abraham Lincoln had other ideas. I hate to think what our country would be like today if the Confederacy was allowed to exist on our Southern border as an independent nation? Today we could be debating building a wall alone the Mason/Dixon Line.

I’ve mentioned in an earlier post that our laws should never be allowed to be used for our own destruction, but yet that appears to be what is happening. It appears there is nothing much a responsible government can do about it except possibly to withhold funds. Most of the major cities within these liberally controlled states are also sanctuary enclaves for criminal activity within their state. The radically Liberal Leadership within these Democrat controlled states and cities can defy Federal laws by sheltering criminals, would be murderers, and themselves virtually immune to prosecution; Accomplice, Accessory, Acquiescence and other legal terms appear not to apply. It’s conditions such as this that spawn vigilantism and that’s is the last thing we want to happen.

We can now see why Socialism/Liberalism should be subjects for debate only, never actually put to practice. We now can see that the results are disastrous to a Republic.

Huck
WHY? br Why do people with supposedly sound minds ... (show quote)


Your remarks describe quite well the apparent current state of our nation. I believe we are all engaged in a collective insanity in that we examine the depressing existence of people in Democratically controlled areas and think that only if we installed Conservatives this would not happen. This is based on the fallacy that our government somehow reflects the people being governed. This is true, but we are not those who are being represented. This has ceased being a Republic, it was never a Democracy but instead it is an Oligarchy.

Our financial system, our money, and our government has been bought and this is borne out by virtue of the fact that we elect "Conservative" representatives who promptly negate their campaign promises and perform as though they are Liberals. The truth is they represent the people who bought their congressional seat. We might be Conservative but our government is controlled by those who are not.

We have a government of weasels, a system of nepotism wherein members of the same families keep control of the largesse offered by the true owners of this country. Bushes follow Bushes, with more Bushes waiting in the 'bush'. Clinton after Clinton and yet another zero ability Clinton waiting in the wings for her turn at the trough. All of them, left and right have sold their souls to the same element and it is not the people. There are very few Congress people who have left public service poor.

For this reason immigration is an immense problem incapable of resolution. For our leaders that is. I have no doubt that most OPP people could solve it in a trice. Are you illegal? Get out! Why is this never addressed? Because they work cheap and can be exploited thus maximizing Business profits. They also drag the people paying for the services they steal into poverty which is a good thing. Make them dependent on government and they will vote Democrat forever. There is no other rational action to take; once I can no longer pay my way I must join the gimmee class and find all the scams and tricks to live like the rest of the cockroaches. I can't work to improve my lot because the laws have been rigged to permit export of any job which provides a decent living. Again in service of the Plutocrat class, it maximizes their profits.

Education has been provided to all of those people who are so desperately in need of more knowledge to qualify for work. Some of them took it and most didn't. Why? What company was that which has jobs for knowledgeable people? Even destroying the Teacher's Union hold on education cannot overcome the competition of workers who will accept coolie wages and the lack of jobs in the manufacturing sector.

In the knowledge sector, our Business favoring, immigration policies, have allowed hordes of workers with Doctorates, to come here, from India principally and compete with American Engineers and programmers, who typically do not get advanced degrees. Plus, the job rustlers work for less money than their American counterparts and this has resulted in wholesale dumping of American workers and replacing them with cheap Indian labor. So more or better education for inner city people is going to get them what job?

Look at the furor being created by widespread elements of the Left and Right over alleged Russian interference with our election process. All of which anti-Russian vitriol, together with our belligerent NATO posture make it seem we intend to provoke a Nuclear exchange with Russia. All of this is designed to keep our money going into war material, with it's enormous profits for our owners. It comes with minimal sacrifice of our children's lives.

How many bridges could be rebuilt and how many feet of wall could be purchased with the proposed military budget increase? Where will we get the money you ask? Of course, we will borrow it from our friendly neighborhood Plutocrats who get it out of thin air, to lend at good interest rate to us so we can buy their munitions.

To return to my opening theme, right or left we are engaged in Kabuki theater -- all posturing and violent interactions with each other. The current Administration was a manifestation of irritation with our conventional government. Given that Trump has to work with the entrenched regime which is totally bent on preserving the status quo it is not likely that he will leave any lasting improvement.

We must fundamentally alter the the conditions that allow a limited group of people to gain control and that starts with campaign funding. Put them all on government dole for campaign expenses with a severe cap, spend one penny more than given or have your supporters do the same and you are disqualified. Term limits for all government elected or appointed positions. No rule making bureaucracies, Congress makes laws -- all of them, without exception.

Make illegal the concept that Corporations are people because, they have gone from having the same rights to having more. Define Natural Born Citizen in an explicit language revision to the Constitution. Compel candidates for public office to provide full disclosure of birth records, religious and secret society affiliations and complete financial records sufficient to establish net worth, with periodic independent audits, to determine legitimacy of increases. -- This information to be used as evidence of malfeasance and made available if trial is required for bribery, insider trading or any preferential financial deals not available to the public.

Will all this happen? Even the Convention of States Constitutional revision platform is not this ambitious. I doubt the Republic can stand, I look for Civil War, which will make the Plutocrats very happy since they will supply both sides at a profit and when we have killed each other they can import more wetbacks and ragheads.

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Apr 2, 2017 15:24:37   #
Huck Loc: The Midwest
 
Pafret: All forms of government where leadership is placed in the hands of the few regardless of how they were appointed can become an Oligarchy when the few become unjust according to Aristotle. I can see a brain containing deeply implanted socialist seeds in every sentence you right. Karl Marx would be proud of you. However, we know that the antiestablishment hatred within your writing when given vent, never works no matter how many times it’s tried. That’s why socialism is referred to as insanity. It’s not Democrat/Liberals or Republican/Conservatives that makes the deference; it’s an adherence to our Constitution and laws that makes the difference. Huck

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Apr 2, 2017 17:07:32   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Huck wrote:
Pafret: All forms of government where leadership is placed in the hands of the few regardless of how they were appointed can become an Oligarchy when the few become unjust according to Aristotle. I can see a brain containing deeply implanted socialist seeds in every sentence you right. Karl Marx would be proud of you. However, we know that the antiestablishment hatred within your writing when given vent, never works no matter how many times it’s tried. That’s why socialism is referred to as insanity. It’s not Democrat/Liberals or Republican/Conservatives that makes the deference; it’s an adherence to our Constitution and laws that makes the difference. Huck
Pafret: All forms of government where leadership i... (show quote)


I have no idea where you see the "seeds of Socialism" within my sentences, if anything this was a polemic against government. I am a Conservative Libertarian and yet I can see many benefits which have been derived from Liberalism (not Progressive/Communism). I deplore the attendant governmental controls but something has to hold the unbridled greed of the few in check. I am anti-establishment without question, as any thinking man has to be.

There is no parity of Socialism, with opposition to overwhelming governmental control by factions who do not represent you. The two are antithetical. Our first revolution occurred precisely because of these conditions. Our Constitution was a result of that opposition and was crafted to prevent just the form of government we have now.

All it required was men of honor, whose word was their bond, to keep the principles of that document alive. Instead we have liars, pederasts, thieves, grafters, convicted perjurers, and swindlers in charge. Quite a few of them have the IQ of a Turnip and they make you wonder whose "face" they are because they are too stupid to have achieved their positions on their own. Some of them are traitors and others would be so if given the opportunity.

Our constitution's drafters were naive in their implicit assumption that men would remain moral with a deep rooted sense of obligation, based on belief in a Supreme being who would judge their behavior, ultimately. They did not recognize the danger posed by the Sociopaths among us. They never envisaged the merry go round, of attendance at elite Schools, high level appointed positions in various government agencies based on "connections", and finally election to public office. Examine the work record and the connectivity of most of our politicians and it becomes apparent that we have a government, of the rich, by the rich and for the rich, with the rest of us sheep to be herded, fenced in and fattened until fleecing time. That isn't Marxism, it is reality.

Limits need to be placed on the ability of the people in charge of our government to do lasting harm to the rest of us. A lifetime of governance was not what was to be the norm, but our current vultures, having gotten a taste of power sacrifice everything, principles, ethics, and trust, in order to retain that power. We must break this up.

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