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Mar 31, 2017 06:29:26   #
tri-states
 
Lock and load with hog fat lubed ammo, before it's too late!!!

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Mar 31, 2017 07:12:49   #
Paybacktimeishere
 
How do you feel about pot?

I try to keep an "OPEN" mind, when it
comes to drug's. I'm NOT against medicinal drug's, prescribed by a bonafide Physician, whether a "PAIN SPECIALIST" or a Psychiatrist.
I'm certainly NOT a "CHEERLEADER" for any
"Dangerous" drug's. I do believe the 1912 Harrison Narcotic Act, may have been been a
little like "overkill". I believe Coca-Cola should
have been left alone, as it's previous 10% Cocaine base, was indeed, the "Pause that Refreshes"!! Some thing's I just wish our over-
reaching, tyrannical FEDERAL GOV.'T should stay out of. Just like what happened to the REAL
FIREWORK'S, of my day, are now ALL OUTLAWED!! This should stay, a State Matter,
NOT a Federal one!! I tried Pot back in the late
1960's, & wasn't impressed. However, when arriving in "The Nam", I tried their brand of
"Happy Smoke", & it took me "SAILING" among
The Cloud's", "Chasing Dragon's"( when off duty). Opium(a narcotic), & Betel Nut(a stimulant), were quite common drug's, used by
The South Vietnamese People. However, HEROIN
was also available, in a near PURE FORM, something I never did use. I Do Not want Children to have access to harmful drug's, &
anyone selling, or traffiking these drug's to
Children should recieve the death penalty.
Potent Narcotic's, &/or recreational fun drug's
Should be controlled, along with real firework's,
& firearm's, by each individual State. If patient's
in excrutiating pain, cannot obtain pain medicine
legally, then out of DESPERATION, they WILL
obtain it ILLEGALLY!!! That is my heartfelt opinion, take it, or leave it!?

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Mar 31, 2017 07:31:07   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
L8erToots wrote:
That is what I call being addicted to the ritual. I'm a perfect example - I can't seem to stop myself from the ritual of going out to my back porch and smoking a cigarette, but I can visit a friend in another state the next day, spend a month with them, and never once crave or smoke a cigarette. Break the ritual, break the habit. I know men that have smoked pot at least once or twice a day for 35 years suddenly get a job where they will be randomly tested for drugs and they quit pot overnight. My dad was an alcoholic, until he decided he didn't want to wake up feeling like crap every morning, so he stopped...cold turkey, after years of daily heavy drinking (he did it more than once in his lifetime). Do you think we do people more of a disservice when we say they have a disease or an addiction (helpless victim words) instead of trying to convince them of how powerful their brains really are and it all boils down to making a choice in our minds and choosing to stick with that choice?
That is what I call being addicted to the ritual. ... (show quote)


There can be a physical addiction connected to actions and not chemicals.

Gamblers' brains produce endorphin when they gamble. In essence, the endorphin high is what they are addicted to, not the gambling.

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Mar 31, 2017 07:36:18   #
QuestGirl Loc: Jayhawk Country
 
Super Dave wrote:
There can be a physical addiction connected to actions and not chemicals.

Gamblers' brains produce endorphin when they gamble. In essence, the endorphin high is what they are addicted to, not the gambling.


I think that falls under psychological.

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Mar 31, 2017 07:40:42   #
jer48 Loc: perris ca
 
out of the woods wrote:
I am a conservative, I don't smoke pot take anything beyond vitamins and herbal suppliments, don't drink, no fun at all.
Anyway, one thing I do have experience in is the catastrophic result of alcohol. Two months ago I lost a cousin, in
his fourties, damn I used to babysit him. His mother, a hippie would leave a few joints and her three kids and we were good.
So, I smoked alittle when young the 80s or so. I never saw from pot the wreckage that alcohol has caused my family. One Uncle
killed his fiance when he crashed into a telephne poll, four other died directly from the long term effect. This latest death, he had a seizure
alone, his poor now aging hippie mother found him. My mother was a heavy duty abusive drunk, wonderful sober, who finally
died from cirosis, esophageal hemmorage. Awful death at 55. Theres more but I wont go on. ? In my experiance pots main negative is its incentive draining, why it is so bad for kids. They dont want to do anything, at a time when they need to do everything. Given the choice between drinking or smoking a few dubes, I would rather they smoked.Anyone?
I am a conservative, I don't smoke pot take anythi... (show quote)


I would rather they did neither

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Mar 31, 2017 08:01:51   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
QuestGirl wrote:
I think that falls under psychological.


It does.. But endorphin addiction is a real chemical addiction.

I volunteered at a alcohol/drug rehab place for about 3 years. I saw a lot of different addictions, but the treatment for virtually all of them is quite similar.

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Mar 31, 2017 08:24:00   #
QuestGirl Loc: Jayhawk Country
 
Super Dave wrote:
It does.. But endorphin addiction is a real chemical addiction.

I volunteered at a alcohol/drug rehab place for about 3 years. I saw a lot of different addictions, but the treatment for virtually all of them is quite similar.


Did they discuss that the addiction is
symptomatic to a much deeper issue?
Did they discuss the family dynamics? That the black sheep carries the truth?

EDIT: Those "endorphins" are a natural chemical as designed. This should be secreted. Our GMO diet and the constant bombardments of unnatural light coupled with the wireless SmartMeter everything, deadens these natural sensors. They are killing us as we stand in line to buy more.

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Mar 31, 2017 08:35:04   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
QuestGirl wrote:
Did they discuss that the addiction is
symptomatic to a much deeper issue?
Did they discuss the family dynamics? That the black sheep carries the truth?


Only as a method of resolving their inner conflicts and coming to terms with their own shortcomings. Ultimately, recovery is about maturity and self-responsibility, not finding some 'other cause' that led to addiction.

One can discuss what problems they had when they became addicts, but unless they were strapped down and given drugs against their will, the cause of the addiction was their own poor choices.

Their working theory, which I agree with, is that only by accepting one's own responsibility can one effectively change his/her behavior patterns to recover from an addiction.

Recovery is maintained by a serenity that comes from accepting one's own responsibilities and not trying to be responsible for other people's responsibilities.

The Serenity Prayer is typically given at all 12-step meetings:

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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Mar 31, 2017 08:49:05   #
out of the woods Loc: to hell and gone New York State
 
Super Dave wrote:
There can be a physical addiction connected to actions and not chemicals.

Gamblers' brains produce endorphin when they gamble. In essence, the endorphin high is what they are addicted to, not the gambling.


That brings to my mind, rock and ice climbers, who the hell wants to be hanging by their fingernails a hundred feet up. Tried it once, got about ten feet and froze, I am anti adrenalin, get enough endorphins from a good hike.

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Mar 31, 2017 08:53:20   #
QuestGirl Loc: Jayhawk Country
 
Super Dave wrote:
Only as a method of resolving their inner conflicts and coming to terms with their own shortcomings. Ultimately, recovery is about maturity and self-responsibility, not finding some 'other cause' that led to addiction.

One can discuss what problems they had when they became addicts, but unless they were strapped down and given drugs against their will, the cause of the addiction was their own poor choices.

Their working theory, which I agree with, is that only by accepting one's own responsibility can one effectively change his/her behavior patterns to recover from an addiction.

Recovery is maintained by a serenity that comes from accepting one's own responsibilities and not trying to be responsible for other people's responsibilities.

The Serenity Prayer is typically given at all 12-step meetings:

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
Only as a method of resolving their inner conflict... (show quote)


Are you familiar with "oppression"?

EDIT: I've been in a treatment center, for depression. It wasn't until the OPPRESSION was lifted about six years later, did I actually "recover".

If you don't get to the WHY of it all, it is difficult to take responsibility. I spent from the age of 13 until nearly 40, before I realized that I was carrying burdens that did NOT belong to me. When all I needed to do was grieve.

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Mar 31, 2017 08:55:18   #
out of the woods Loc: to hell and gone New York State
 
All that said, I guess I'm more libertarian in this respect. If I were inclined to grow a little weed in my backyard and smoke it, I dont see where that is anyones business. It is the criminal aspect and the fact that the government now wants to get in on it that bothers me.That
I am not so inclined is beside the point.

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Mar 31, 2017 09:12:54   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
out of the woods wrote:
I am a conservative, I don't smoke pot take anything beyond vitamins and herbal suppliments, don't drink, no fun at all.
Anyway, one thing I do have experience in is the catastrophic result of alcohol. Two months ago I lost a cousin, in
his fourties, damn I used to babysit him. His mother, a hippie would leave a few joints and her three kids and we were good.
So, I smoked alittle when young the 80s or so. I never saw from pot the wreckage that alcohol has caused my family. One Uncle
killed his fiance when he crashed into a telephne poll, four other died directly from the long term effect. This latest death, he had a seizure
alone, his poor now aging hippie mother found him. My mother was a heavy duty abusive drunk, wonderful sober, who finally
died from cirosis, esophageal hemmorage. Awful death at 55. Theres more but I wont go on. ? In my experiance pots main negative is its incentive draining, why it is so bad for kids. They dont want to do anything, at a time when they need to do everything. Given the choice between drinking or smoking a few dubes, I would rather they smoked.Anyone?
I am a conservative, I don't smoke pot take anythi... (show quote)


Not to be an advocate here, because pot does have its downsides, but there is one fact that cannot be disputed. The ratio of those who died from the consumption of alcohol to those who died from pot consumption is infinity. It is infinity because anything divided by zero equals infinity. Except another zero, of course, in which case the answer is obviously 1, because any number divided by itself equals 1; but because people have died from alcohol consumption, the resultant ratio is infinity.

Fact: Not one person, ever, has died because of immediate effects or chronic conditions associated with pot use. They may have died because they were high and tried to operate machinery; they may have attempted to bungee jump and forgot to attach the rope; but the pot in their system did not kill them. Alcohol is a known poison. It is possible to die from an overdose of alcohol. No-one has ever died from an overdose of pot. Not even once.

Pot is known to affect brain development in those who have not reached adulthood at the time of use. This is why no-one under the age of 26 should ever even go near pot. A teenager who uses pot is not going to develop as nature intended and this will be a factor for the rest of his or her life. However, once development is complete, toke away. All you're doing is making a fool of yourself when you forget where you live until you 'come down'. Just don't try doing anything that might have consequences for the rest of us, like driving or using a tool, or interacting with anyone who isn't high, because you'll look and sound like an idiot.

As for pot being compared to other 'illegal' drugs, There are plenty of cops out there who will be happy to confirm that they would much rather interact with a pot user than any other 'recreational' drug user. Pot smokers are generally lethargic and easily controlled. In contrast, cocaine or opioid users will quickly become violent. (<Yeah, peace out, man. did you see that rainbow? Oh, handcuffs. OK, let's take a ride...>)

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Mar 31, 2017 09:19:26   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
out of the woods wrote:
I am a conservative, I don't smoke pot take anything beyond vitamins and herbal suppliments, don't drink, no fun at all.
Anyway, one thing I do have experience in is the catastrophic result of alcohol. Two months ago I lost a cousin, in
his fourties, damn I used to babysit him. His mother, a hippie would leave a few joints and her three kids and we were good.
So, I smoked alittle when young the 80s or so. I never saw from pot the wreckage that alcohol has caused my family. One Uncle
killed his fiance when he crashed into a telephne poll, four other died directly from the long term effect. This latest death, he had a seizure
alone, his poor now aging hippie mother found him. My mother was a heavy duty abusive drunk, wonderful sober, who finally
died from cirosis, esophageal hemmorage. Awful death at 55. Theres more but I wont go on. ? In my experiance pots main negative is its incentive draining, why it is so bad for kids. They dont want to do anything, at a time when they need to do everything. Given the choice between drinking or smoking a few dubes, I would rather they smoked.Anyone?
I am a conservative, I don't smoke pot take anythi... (show quote)

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Mar 31, 2017 09:21:50   #
out of the woods Loc: to hell and gone New York State
 
In my teens I smoke a bit, just remember sitting around, thinking deep thoughts. It did mess up my freshman year.. I believe part of the thrill for kids is that its forbidden, hence the rush of getting away with it, or not.

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Mar 31, 2017 09:26:26   #
macromike
 
I am a nurse who works in a psych unit. I found far worse behaviors from alcohol and far worse effects from "legal weed" than natural pot. I've come to believe that it should be legal and treated like tobacco, no advertising and regulated.

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