PhilosophyMan Loc: Washington state.

“What is school for? Learning or getting good grades? School has been transformed into tests, into trials with no end. But for learning, learning dissolved with every grade given”-Stuart Cartwright.

as a current student of a common core high school, I completely agree with that statement.
what do you think?

trinket 369

completely agree. anyideas on how to end the madness?

PhilosophyMan Loc: Washington state.

unfortunately if you look at the history of all school systems, grades always overcome the importance of the students' learning and absorbing the material.
that is of course because of the need to understand how much the student absorbs, but it always turns into not caring if the student learns, and only caring about the student's grades. this is partly due to established universities looking specifically at the student's gpa. but mainly this is due to the human condition.
I have no idea how we would combat this other than starting fresh whenever this occurs, however that might screw up a generation or two.
do you have any suggestions?

trinket 369

I am at a loss, and ......

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

As a former English teacher I know that education after grade 5 is a disaster because the "curriculum" is a textbook cage that most teachers are not able to get around. What is needed and what is now possible with the internet is creation of multiple curriculums and multiple tracks for all teachers to be able to be coaches to students instead of "dictators," where some individual choices are available and a degree of freedom to explore new paths, so that education can become a path to individual knowledge and understanding. Already there is a degree of internet education going on at the technical and college level, but junior high and high school education remains in basic textbook lockdown. A national program to create a variety of approaches and material for individual teachers to choose from is needed--not a dictated single curriculum or set of guidelines, but multiple and varied. The internet makes the sky the limit for future education. Of course we could stick with this administration's idea of merit pay for exceptional teachers, but what we need is heaps of curriculum material and choices that can make every teacher more exceptional for all students, not a system where there are a few exceptional teachers available to only a few students. True, there are certain basic skills and subject matter that's a common core in learning, but education needs to make available going above and beyond the mere basics to larger and broader possibilities. It's not going to happen overnight even if efforts to expand curriculum get funded...haven't seen any proposals in that direction, just the useless merit pay proposal. Again, with wider possibilities and materials and the internet, education could become each student educating him or herself with coaching from a teacher--with individual interest and effort and eagerness...and hopefully not too obsessed or self-absorbed. ha. No need to overdo anything, have to accept our limitations in practice even when the possibilities are limitless...as they can be for all.

PhilosophyMan Loc: Washington state.

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great analysis!

rumitoid

The Latin word from which we get education is educare, which means to "draw forth." Both society and our school system are far more about instilling and inculcating than drawing forth. The reasons for this are not easily praised or condemned. A standard is necessary, or maybe not. Attempts at doing away with the competitiveness of grades was pass/fail, which appeared to bring grades down over the succeeding decades of it origin. Tricky question. It is really apparent that unless a whole new attitude--a whole new attitude!--is brought to education, the deficiencies wiil only increase.

PhilosophyMan Loc: Washington state.

indeed

JimMe

I'm 63 years old & I think... Your Right but... You're going to have to FIGHT AGAINST ALOT OF IGNORANCE (if you haven't, please look up "ignorance")... But please, FIGHT... This is Your Life... You Deserve Better Than "Common Core Boloney"...

PhilosophyMan Loc: Washington state.

too late, I am already well into high school, almost finished.
common core screwed me up academically.

cesspool jones Loc: atlanta

:) :) you do make sense!

trinket 369

That was good!

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

A large percentage of graduates of the government high schools cannot handle grade school arithmetic, cannot read, spell, or compose a correct sentence. They can't read a ruler, can't locate their own city or state on a globe, can't make change, can't even name the governor or capirol city of their own state.

Some government school teachers are intelligent, competent, and caring.
Some are totally worthless parasites. All receive the same pay, which in most cases is way too much.

cesspool jones Loc: atlanta

yea, totally reject common core and if they don't listen...pull your kid from school then totally respect the 2nd amendment!!! remember when the PTA was afraid of concerned parents? those dayz are over...for the time being. no grand-kid of mine will ever attend common core because if that happenz, believe me...i will be on the 6 oclock newz!!!!

cesspool jones Loc: atlanta

beat the shit out of your teacher.