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Mar 27, 2017 09:41:28   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
ACP45 wrote:
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I agree with you that a judge's job is to apply the law. But what if applying the law leads to an immoral decision? What is of greater importance, the application of law, or the application of justice?

You focus on the ding-bat Al Franken, but you did not comment on the remarks of Dr. Steve Pieczenick. Do you condone his role in the torture of prisoners at Guantanamo using the justification that national security trumps morality? Follow that up with his decision that the trucker could be legally fired for doing what is necessary to save his life. Do we see a pattern here?

We want judges that interpret the law, not make law. We want judges that follow the constitution. We also want judges that have integrity and a strong moral compass. It is on that final point that I find Gorsuch lacking.
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"We want judges that interpret the law, not make law. We want judges that follow the constitution. We also want judges that have integrity and a strong moral compass. It is on that final point that I find Gorsuch lacking.- ACP45

Do you think that is possible from a Democrat's nomination???
Do you think the democrats will follow the Constitution as intended, ACP?
Who is a better nominee?

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Mar 27, 2017 09:58:40   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
ACP45 wrote:
Watch from 18:10 thru 22:25
https://youtu.be/BNWd75Qdffs?t=18m10s

Add to this, his decision in the frozen trucker case, and I'm convinced that the man lacks a sense of compassion and a warped sense of morality.

https://youtu.be/iPhRSZ-xE5M
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/gorsuch-defends-frozen-trucker-case


No come on, this guy is the lawyers lawyer, who believes the law is sacrosanct. The law is the ULTIMATE authority, well, second to judges perception and interpretation of the law. The law is there to perpetuate the law, and concepts such as human compassion, common sense, or the fact that these laws are created by humans to SERVE humans - are archaic and may be dismissed.

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Mar 27, 2017 10:06:56   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
no propaganda please wrote:
That is the difference between a judge who is a constitutionalist and one who believes that the Constitution is a living document and can be changed by any whim that a judge wants to use to express his "feelings". Linda, you like true conservatives, and even some Republicans believe in following the Constitution and using the amendment process to change it when needed. I agree that Gorsuch will be a judge who respects the Constitution, and follows the law rather than making up new meanings as suits his feelings on any one particular day.
That is the difference between a judge who is a co... (show quote)


npp, he truly is a Constitutional lawyer, check his previous rulings, fair and IMPARTIAL something so needing restoration in the Supreme Court!!

I watched his vetting and read where a number of Dems like him.. Then weasel Schumer comes out with we're going to filibuster.. Ha, time to draw these stand offs in and start nailing seats .. More important things to do and it's just stalling tactics!!

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Mar 27, 2017 10:11:36   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
lpnmajor wrote:
No come on, this guy is the lawyers lawyer, who believes the law is sacrosanct. The law is the ULTIMATE authority, well, second to judges perception and interpretation of the law. The law is there to perpetuate the law, and concepts such as human compassion, common sense, or the fact that these laws are created by humans to SERVE humans - are archaic and may be dismissed.
No come on, this guy is the lawyers lawyer, who be... (show quote)


Do you know there are over 4K in laws that date back to the 1800 never used or considered now.. You are rght, they need to do a review of and purge these laws not used, or which conflict with newer laws ....

Hell major half don't even know what laws are in place nor do any of them enforce them.. We don't need more we just need enforcement..

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Mar 27, 2017 10:17:38   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
lindajoy wrote:
Do you know there are over 4K in laws that date back to the 1800 never used or considered now.. You are rght, they need to do a review of and purge these laws not used, or which conflict with newer laws ....

Hell major half don't even know what laws are in place nor do any of them enforce them.. We don't need more we just need enforcement..


Yep, that law is not the arbiter of human existence. Human intellect is that ultimate authority on right and wrong, and the law is a tool and ONLY a tool. Judges that do not consider the laws intent and PURPOSE - are also - tools, total tools.

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Mar 27, 2017 10:23:12   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
ACP45 wrote:
Watch from 18:10 thru 22:25
https://youtu.be/BNWd75Qdffs?t=18m10s

Add to this, his decision in the frozen trucker case, and I'm convinced that the man lacks a sense of compassion and a warped sense of morality.

https://youtu.be/iPhRSZ-xE5M
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/gorsuch-defends-frozen-trucker-case


ACP45-your statement about Gorsuch lacking compassion is exactly why he needs to be on the court. Its not about
personal feelings but about the law. You need to be able to separate the two otherwise you will find yourself legislating from the bench as we have seen happen in the SCOTUS. Judge Gorsuch has stated many times that as an appellate judge,once he dons the robe, his personal feelings are shelved. That is how he remains impartial and is therefore able to apply the law. He is probably the best qualified individual we have ever had as a potential
appointee and so says the ABA. America First !!!

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Mar 27, 2017 10:47:55   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
America Only wrote:
Says Peter Sucker!!!!!!


Do you support this soulless bastard, Peter?
The Left does; as he is a chief funder.
Who thinks Soros has compassion for humanity?
who here believes that this should be what guides America?
“This system to be controlled in a feudalistic fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences.” - Insider, Professor Carroll Quigley – ‘Tragedy and Hope’,( p. 324)
10 Things liberals ignore About "Giorgi" George Soros
https://youtu.be/tfBHYxEojZk
SOROS ROTHSCHILD RACE WAR PROPAGANDA EXPOSED
https://youtu.be/lhqqz3QFQKE
George Soros: Evil Puppet Master Exposed
https://youtu.be/1eRFTHD2CTg

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Mar 27, 2017 11:33:58   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
ACP45 wrote:
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I agree with you that a judge's job is to apply the law. But what if applying the law leads to an immoral decision? What is of greater importance, the application of law, or the application of justice?

You focus on the ding-bat Al Franken, but you did not comment on the remarks of Dr. Steve Pieczenick. Do you condone his role in the torture of prisoners at Guantanamo using the justification that national security trumps morality? Follow that up with his decision that the trucker could be legally fired for doing what is necessary to save his life. Do we see a pattern here?

We want judges that interpret the law, not make law. We want judges that follow the constitution. We also want judges that have integrity and a strong moral compass. It is on that final point that I find Gorsuch lacking.
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Your second paragraph is a bundle of contradictions. Constitutional, legal & moral decisions are not always one and the same. How else do you explain Roe vs. Wade that was and is an affront to the understanding of 5,000 years of morality and was illegal in 48 states at the time? If Harry Blackmun had once ounce of morality, he would never have written that decision and the others who'd agreed would never have concurred. And for that matter, there is no constitutional provision for the Supreme Court to review the constitutionality of any law, federal, state or local.

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Mar 27, 2017 11:37:23   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Yep, that law is not the arbiter of human existence. Human intellect is that ultimate authority on right and wrong, and the law is a tool and ONLY a tool. Judges that do not consider the laws intent and PURPOSE - are also - tools, total tools.



Yes, suction tools, sucking up to the supposed party that put them in and drills that then drill em place until perceived as the real authority..

Jig saws in the end for "the jigs up now" too..

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Mar 27, 2017 11:40:27   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Your second paragraph is a bundle of contradictions. Constitutional, legal & moral decisions are not always one and the same. How else do you explain Roe vs. Wade that was and is an affront to the understanding of 5,000 years of morality and was illegal in 48 states at the time? If Harry Blackmun had once ounce of morality, he would never have written that decision and the others who'd agreed would never have concurred. And for that matter, the Supreme Court would nave have had authority over it.
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The obvious about what you say, howrever, is the law must be followed.. Moral persuasion has no place in law.. Fortunate or unfortunately..

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Mar 27, 2017 11:45:21   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Nice try, except during war our enemies have no constitutional protections. The Constitution is for citizens only, not enemies or illegals.

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You mean like our Japanese citizens during WW11 that were rounded up in internment camps for doing what exactly?

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Mar 27, 2017 11:47:25   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Yep, that law is not the arbiter of human existence. Human intellect is that ultimate authority on right and wrong, and the law is a tool and ONLY a tool. Judges that do not consider the laws intent and PURPOSE - are also - tools, total tools.


"Judges that do not consider the laws intent and PURPOSE - are also - tools, total tools." - lpnmajor

Exactly why Gorsuch is the best SCOTUS nominee in decades.
He actually believes in maintaining a Constitutional Republic.

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Mar 27, 2017 11:50:36   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
rebob14 wrote:
Emotion is not law...........what do you think the blindfold signifies?


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Lady Justice is portrayed blindfolded on many—though not all—statues because tradition dictates it. According to the Supreme Court publication on Figures of Justice, justice was not blindfolded since the time of the Romans. For the Romans, Justitia was one of the four virtues, the others being Prudence, Fortitude, and Temperance. These were personal virtues, not virtues of the state. In a personal context, a blindfold would be meaningless, since a person cannot make a fair judgement without seeing clearly into the situation.

Sometime in the 16th Century, so reads the Figures of Justice document, artists began portraying Justice with a blindfold as a conscious criticism of the justice being dispensed at that time, as if to say, justice can’t see what’s really happening.

More recently, the blindfold has come to imply that justice does not favor a party based on some characteristic like race, wealth, class, or gender. This is only an ideal, however, while the sword of punishment that Justice carries is very real. The other object carried by Justice is the scales, which a blindfolded Justice can evidently not make use of.

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-statue-of-Lady-Justice-blindfolded

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Mar 27, 2017 11:56:05   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
ACP45 wrote:
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Lady Justice is portrayed blindfolded on many—though not all—statues because tradition dictates it. According to the Supreme Court publication on Figures of Justice, justice was not blindfolded since the time of the Romans. For the Romans, Justitia was one of the four virtues, the others being Prudence, Fortitude, and Temperance. These were personal virtues, not virtues of the state. In a personal context, a blindfold would be meaningless, since a person cannot make a fair judgement without seeing clearly into the situation.

Sometime in the 16th Century, so reads the Figures of Justice document, artists began portraying Justice with a blindfold as a conscious criticism of the justice being dispensed at that time, as if to say, justice can’t see what’s really happening.

More recently, the blindfold has come to imply that justice does not favor a party based on some characteristic like race, wealth, class, or gender. This is only an ideal, however, while the sword of punishment that Justice carries is very real. The other object carried by Justice is the scales, which a blindfolded Justice can evidently not make use of.

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-statue-of-Lady-Justice-blindfolded
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All very true, our government a perfect example of running amok of the laws and do not make use of or live by themselves!

They have turned our judicial process into a mockup and spit on the very laws they are to abide by but do not...

Elitism is their goal, laws be damned..

I would uphold the law if for no other reason but to protect myself.
Thomas More

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Mar 27, 2017 12:19:07   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"We want judges that interpret the law, not make law. We want judges that follow the constitution. We also want judges that have integrity and a strong moral compass. It is on that final point that I find Gorsuch lacking.- ACP45

Do you think that is possible from a Democrat's nomination???
Do you think the democrats will follow the Constitution as intended, ACP?
Who is a better nominee?

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Eagleye - we are talking about the nominee that Trump is recommending, not Obama. There are some Democrats that follow the Constitution, just like there are some Republicans that do not (McCain perhaps). Tulsi Gabbard is one Democrat that is principled, and will follow the constitution from what I know about her.

As to whom is a better nominee. I don't know. I heard it reported somewhere that Gorsuch was not on the first list that Trump put forward. In any event, there were 9 or so other judges that were on Trump's list.

Many of you on OPP believe that Gorsuch will be a good supreme court justice because he will strictly adhere to the letter of the law. But no one has satisfactorily addressed the concerns raised by Dr. Steve Piezcznick and the issue of human torture. What do you do if you have an immoral law? After 9-11, you have the Patriot Act and the NDAA, which have eroded our personal freedoms granted under the constitution. Just because congress passes a law, does that make it moral and does it obligate a judge to follow an unjust law?

Isn't that the same reasoning that the German judges used during WW2 to allow German Jews, gypsies, and dissidents to be sent to the gas chambers?

If you want to blankly follow a law, moral or immoral, why not simply program a computer to render a legal decision? What's the point of having a human judge render a decision if you leave out conscience and morality?

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