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Mar 25, 2017 01:24:46   #
eden
 
Harpooner1 wrote:
You don't fool me.....

You and your ilk are going to be exposed. You already are.
Go do nothing...That is what you are used to.
It's better for everyone.


No need to do anything. Your motormouth faux President is digging his own political grave which to those of us in the middle is regrettable since most of us had a hope he would grow into the job somehow and make use of a golden opportunity to reform taxes and improve health care access among other things. As this latest debacle shows that is a fading hope since it appears he does not have a pragmatic bone in his body. Obsessed with the minutiae of his personal image he seems incapable of taking any responsibility for the consequences of his own actions. I would wish him well if I saw tangible evidence of maturity, after all he did win the electoral vote that carried the ball over the line for him but can somebody please tell him that the appearance of playing only to his base and ignoring the fact that half the country LIKES Obamacare and does not want see it repealed is really bad optics.
As I said, a lot of us had hope but it is fading like sunlight in the grass at this point...

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Mar 25, 2017 04:14:58   #
Harpooner1
 
eden wrote:
No need to do anything. Your motormouth faux President is digging his own political grave which to those of us in the middle is regrettable since most of us had a hope he would grow into the job somehow and make use of a golden opportunity to reform taxes and improve health care access among other things. As this latest debacle shows that is a fading hope since it appears he does not have a pragmatic bone in his body. Obsessed with the minutiae of his personal image he seems incapable of taking any responsibility for the consequences of his own actions. I would wish him well if I saw tangible evidence of maturity, after all he did win the electoral vote that carried the ball over the line for him but can somebody please tell him that the appearance of playing only to his base and ignoring the fact that half the country LIKES Obamacare and does not want see it repealed is really bad optics.
As I said, a lot of us had hope but it is fading like sunlight in the grass at this point...
No need to do anything. Your motormouth faux Presi... (show quote)


You are failing, or flailing, to see the big picture.
He has a huge mess to clean up and he is not getting any help from the party that elected him. Of course Trump is not going to get any help from Democrats.
The reaction from you and the general media is like nothing that has ever been seen before in American politics.
Trump is doing the work Obama didn't.
It's going to take some time. Obama got an 8 year honeymoon...Trump got an 8 hour.......

As I said, what Trump has done and doing, is exposing the establishment for what it is......
Both sides.

And you want to blame...

Blame Trump for being president....But know the reality......

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Mar 25, 2017 06:39:48   #
JONDO
 
Your probably an illegal alien who is getting your ins payed for by taxpayers is the reason you like it so much, you also give Trump three months to do what obama couldn't do in eight years and if you call that ponsi scheme ins. your not to bright either. if your not an illegal then your probably on welfare, they get the same crooked deal. That is not a working person ins thats an ins. for dead beats.Your the only ones who think its so great. People who dont even belong in this country getting welfare and every thing else free and your even allowed to go out and rape the person of your choice. free of charge also. Not a bad deal for a pack of lawless invaders.

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Mar 25, 2017 06:54:41   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
eden wrote:
No need to do anything. Your motormouth faux President is digging his own political grave which to those of us in the middle is regrettable since most of us had a hope he would grow into the job somehow and make use of a golden opportunity to reform taxes and improve health care access among other things. As this latest debacle shows that is a fading hope since it appears he does not have a pragmatic bone in his body. Obsessed with the minutiae of his personal image he seems incapable of taking any responsibility for the consequences of his own actions. I would wish him well if I saw tangible evidence of maturity, after all he did win the electoral vote that carried the ball over the line for him but can somebody please tell him that the appearance of playing only to his base and ignoring the fact that half the country LIKES Obamacare and does not want see it repealed is really bad optics.
As I said, a lot of us had hope but it is fading like sunlight in the grass at this point...
No need to do anything. Your motormouth faux Presi... (show quote)


Which half of the country likes Obamacare? Obamacare remains very unpopular, with over half the country disliking it. Among Republicans and Independents, this figure is a good bit higher. The only people who like it are the ones who don't have to pay for it and have never had to use it.
RyanCare failed in the House because it is Obamacare Lite. Just as well, it saves time since it would never have made it through the Senate.

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Mar 25, 2017 07:14:25   #
JONDO
 
Now that its stalled, How many years will they sit thr and steal the money with all the fines that working American taxpayers will have to pay because the illegals and welfare recipients have no money to begin with. that was the plan, it all leads back to the taxpayers, to steal for the crooks all this money from the American taxpayers. Nothing but a government scam and this half of the country is smart enough to know it. We have to start deporting faster than thr importing.Thats the only way to stop it.

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Mar 25, 2017 08:44:24   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Loki wrote:
You want plain language? Here is is; United States Code:


Federal immigration law also includes Section 1182(f), which states: “Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444371/donald-trump-executive-order-ban-entry-seven-muslim-majority-countries-legal

Which part of that do you, and more importantly; the political whores on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals not understand?
You want plain language? Here is is; United States... (show quote)


Have you heard of the Administrative Procedure Act?

Agencies are unique governmental bodies, capable of exercising powers characteristic of all three branches of the United States federal government: judicial, legislative and executive. An individual agency typically will possess only the power of the branch that set it up, or possibly powers characteristic of two branches, but the separation of powers doctrine dictates that all three powers should not be vested in one body. As recognized by President Roosevelt and others, the creation and function of federal agencies can cause separation of powers issues under the United States Constitution. To provide constitutional safeguards, the APA creates a framework for regulating agencies and their roles. According to the Attorney General's Manual on the Administrative Procedure Act, drafted after the 1946 enactment of the APA, the basic purposes of the APA are:[9]



1. to require agencies to keep the public informed of their organization, procedures and rules;
2. to provide for public participation in the rulemaking process;
3. to establish uniform standards for the conduct of formal rulemaking and adjudication;
4. to define the scope of judicial review.

The APA's provisions apply to many federal governmental institutions. The APA in 5 U.S.C. 551(1) defines an "agency" as "each authority of the Government of the United States, whether or not it is within or subject to review by another agency", with the exception of several enumerated authorities, including Congress, federal courts, and governments of territories or possessions of the United States. Courts have also held that the U.S. President is not an agency under the APA. ( Franklin v. Mass., 505 U.S. 788 (1992).

....rule-making is the process that executive and independent agencies use to create, or promulgate, regulations. In general, legislatures first set broad policy mandates by passing statutes, then agencies create more detailed regulations through rulemaking.

Who reviews rules?

Have WE THE PEOPLE declared war (congress's job) on any one of the nations that are ON tRump's List of Nations to be disciplined?

Can the president create Legislation? (Sure, of course)

...but, the EO directed DHS to implement the travel ban, which is an agency, therefore, judicial review based on APA "shoe horns" judicial review.

So, unless Republicans are willing to declare war to implement a travel ban, this could go on for months because our president is under the impression that he is a dictator and that EO's give him the power to actually implement change...


...those darn checks and balances...if the f___king Congress in general were smarter about legislation...their big plans could be implemented but the wheels of government have become so complicated...and yet they had 7 years to figure that out and failed....

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Mar 25, 2017 15:43:39   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
Have you heard of the Administrative Procedure Act?

Agencies are unique governmental bodies, capable of exercising powers characteristic of all three branches of the United States federal government: judicial, legislative and executive. An individual agency typically will possess only the power of the branch that set it up, or possibly powers characteristic of two branches, but the separation of powers doctrine dictates that all three powers should not be vested in one body. As recognized by President Roosevelt and others, the creation and function of federal agencies can cause separation of powers issues under the United States Constitution. To provide constitutional safeguards, the APA creates a framework for regulating agencies and their roles. According to the Attorney General's Manual on the Administrative Procedure Act, drafted after the 1946 enactment of the APA, the basic purposes of the APA are:[9]



1. to require agencies to keep the public informed of their organization, procedures and rules;
2. to provide for public participation in the rulemaking process;
3. to establish uniform standards for the conduct of formal rulemaking and adjudication;
4. to define the scope of judicial review.

The APA's provisions apply to many federal governmental institutions. The APA in 5 U.S.C. 551(1) defines an "agency" as "each authority of the Government of the United States, whether or not it is within or subject to review by another agency", with the exception of several enumerated authorities, including Congress, federal courts, and governments of territories or possessions of the United States. Courts have also held that the U.S. President is not an agency under the APA. ( Franklin v. Mass., 505 U.S. 788 (1992).

....rule-making is the process that executive and independent agencies use to create, or promulgate, regulations. In general, legislatures first set broad policy mandates by passing statutes, then agencies create more detailed regulations through rulemaking.

Who reviews rules?

Have WE THE PEOPLE declared war (congress's job) on any one of the nations that are ON tRump's List of Nations to be disciplined?

Can the president create Legislation? (Sure, of course)

...but, the EO directed DHS to implement the travel ban, which is an agency, therefore, judicial review based on APA "shoe horns" judicial review.

So, unless Republicans are willing to declare war to implement a travel ban, this could go on for months because our president is under the impression that he is a dictator and that EO's give him the power to actually implement change...


...those darn checks and balances...if the f___king Congress in general were smarter about legislation...their big plans could be implemented but the wheels of government have become so complicated...and yet they had 7 years to figure that out and failed....
Have you heard of the Administrative Procedure Act... (show quote)


A declaration of war is not necessary. Once more, the Ninth Circus Court of Appeals will be overturned once more. By now they should be used to it. Since another Federal judge has upheld Trumps second EO in this matter, it seems destined for the SCOTUS. Three guesses what happens then.

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Mar 25, 2017 19:13:46   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
JONDO wrote:
Now that its stalled, How many years will they sit thr and steal the money with all the fines that working American taxpayers will have to pay because the illegals and welfare recipients have no money to begin with. that was the plan, it all leads back to the taxpayers, to steal for the crooks all this money from the American taxpayers. Nothing but a government scam and this half of the country is smart enough to know it. We have to start deporting faster than thr importing.Thats the only way to stop it.
Now that its stalled, How many years will they sit... (show quote)


You do not realize that no one, that does not participate in Obama care, can not be forced to pay anything to the IRS since they do not have that power. The only ones that will be forced to pay are the ones that will have a tax refund. By what I have read the IRS then can take the money the person is fined for not having Obama care from their tax refund.

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Mar 25, 2017 19:31:48   #
JONDO
 
I MIGHT BE WRONG BUT ANYONE THAT COMES IN HERE ILLEGALLY IS FORCED TO BUY OBAMACARE BECAUSE THR LAW SAYS EVERYONE HAS TO HAVE INSURANCE, THATS THR SCAM, THEY MAKE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS PAY FOR THE ILLEGALS INS.THAT INCLUDES ALL FINES AND WELFARE.

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Mar 25, 2017 23:03:48   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Loki wrote:
Which half of the country likes Obamacare? Obamacare remains very unpopular, with over half the country disliking it. Among Republicans and Independents, this figure is a good bit higher. The only people who like it are the ones who don't have to pay for it and have never had to use it.
RyanCare failed in the House because it is Obamacare Lite. Just as well, it saves time since it would never have made it through the Senate.





What's the population in America? 350 is million?
As of June 2016 only 10.4 million are on Obamacare! Top of my head math, that's about 2.5% of the population likes Obamacare enough to sign up.

To support your position, how could 60% say they like it, if only 2.5% use it?

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Mar 25, 2017 23:34:20   #
JONDO
 
TELL THAT TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PAYING FINES BECAUSE THEY CANT AFFORD THR SCAM. I AM TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT HAD INS. AND LOST IT BECAUSE THEY THE GOVERNMENT SAID THEY HAD TO GIVE UP THR DOCTOR AND SWITCH TO OBAMA CARE.

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Mar 26, 2017 00:11:31   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
JONDO wrote:
TELL THAT TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PAYING FINES BECAUSE THEY CANT AFFORD THR SCAM. I AM TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT HAD INS. AND LOST IT BECAUSE THEY THE GOVERNMENT SAID THEY HAD TO GIVE UP THR DOCTOR AND SWITCH TO OBAMA CARE.



Exactly, and all the nationwide employer's that couldn't afford participation, forced to operate parttime employees intend of much easier to manage full time employee's.

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Mar 26, 2017 02:07:11   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
Article III, Section 2:

The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.

In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.

The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment, shall be by jury; and such trial shall be held in the state where the said crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any state, the trial shall be at such place or places as the Congress may by law have directed.

A travel ban affects treaties or agreements between nation states. Therefore, Judicial review ensures that executive branch doesn't cause a violation of those treaties. They can stop it any time they want to. If it had judicial review before he signed it, it would have been a lot easier.

I'm not sure what lies she told (nor do you), but I know what lies she didn't tell, utilizing her 5th amendment rights...or in fact what that has to do with this topic, since she has never served as President.
Article III, Section 2: br br The judicial power ... (show quote)


A travel ban does not affect a treaty unless that treaty specifically states that citizens of that country are to be treated any differently under US law. We have treaties with the UK, but they have banned some of our citizens from traveling there. We have treaties with Canada, but a US citizen with a DUI conviction less than ten years old cannot enter Canada without a special waiver. US citizens in the countries in question are subject to obey the laws of that country, just as they are subject to ours. This includes presidential authority to ban people or groups, and at any rate, this was not the rationale that the Ninth used in their ridiculous, politically motivated decision.

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Mar 26, 2017 07:31:39   #
JONDO
 
BECAUSE ITS ANOTHER ONE OF THE GOVERNMENTS BIG LIES, THR FIGURES ARE SO FAR AWAY FROM THE TRUTH, AND YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THEM. THR IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SAVING THE COUNTRY AND DESTROYING IT ANOTHER YEAR OF OBAMA OR HILLARY IN THIS COUNTRY WE WOULD HAVE BEEN SPEAKING ARABIC BY NOW, IF OUR HEADS WEREN'T SITTING ON A POLE FIRST. yOU PEOPLE THAT LIKE OBAMACARE SO MUCH, GO AHEAD AND KEEP IT AS LONG AS YOUR NOT ILLEGAL OR A WELFARE RECIPIENT I DONT WANT TO HAVE TO PAY FOR YOUR DAM INSURANCE AND I SHOULDNT HAVE TO.IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS IF WE HAD A JOB WE HAD INSURANCE WITH OUR EMPLOYERS AND IT WOULD STILL BE THAT WAY IF THIS SICK GOVERNMENT HADNT TRIED TO REPLACE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WITH MURDERING INVADERS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, i HAVE HAD INS, ALL MY LIFE BECAUSE I ALWAYS HAD A JOB, THATS THE WAY IT WORKS ___HOLE. NO JOB NO INSURANCE, SIMPLE AS THAT.AND THATS THE WAY ITS SUPPOSED TO BE.

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Mar 26, 2017 15:06:41   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Loki wrote:
Which half of the country likes Obamacare? Obamacare remains very unpopular, with over half the country disliking it. Among Republicans and Independents, this figure is a good bit higher. The only people who like it are the ones who don't have to pay for it and have never had to use it.
RyanCare failed in the House because it is Obamacare Lite. Just as well, it saves time since it would never have made it through the Senate.


...they love...the ACA....aka Obamacare.

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