JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Damn. Didn't know that. So the Republicans put in the new bill (which I didn't support) no quadriplegic's. How could they? Just so you know you have lost this debate. How do I know? You have reverted to insults and deflection. However; I will talk to loki and see if we can at least get you a participation trophy you can stick with all your degrees.

Loki Loc: Georgia

He already has a place to stick his imaginary degrees. I took the liberty of procuring an imaginary participation trophy.

Progressive One

Okay explain the benefits of the trump failure that requires the elderly and poor to get dropped or pay more and the rich pay less. Drop .......the name calling and explain logically why trump and the GOP had a better product than ObamaCare.

Progressive One

Imaginary degrees....if I offered a synopsis of everything i've studied do you think you're knowledgeable enough to rebut it and scrutinize on the level necessary to get those degrees?

Progressive One

not deflection at all...the girl's Mom was talking about what the present healthcare system was doing for her daughter....very related as a living example of benefits provided and how the GOP plan would have hurt her daughter. Get it now? while you are being a sarcastic bitch can YOU explain the benefits of trumpcare over ObamaCare...maybe you and loki can collaborate and come up with a logical, sensible answer. I'll wait on that instead of your smartass bullshit comments.....

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

No. There is no such thing as Trumpcare. Matter of fact the way they were composing this bill you would not know how it worked until everything was completed. Reconciliation, Senate amendment's, and regulatory input from the Head of Health and Human Services. So in all truthfulness the quadriplegic had no idea if she would lose benefits or not since no one knows what the final bill would look like. She could be right. She could be wrong. You guys always swallow, hook, line and sinker the bullshit put out there by self serving politicians. How about this for a sensible answer; Tell congress to pass a law stating the members of congress and their staff must access the same health insurance, whether it is Trumpcare, Ryancare, Obamacare, or Idon'tcare just like us common folk?

Progressive One

I don't want to take that chance with the little girl......she may have been one of the 14-24 million dropped.....so if you people are not going to improve it, leave it the fk alone....don't make it worse...none of you can articulate the benefits of trumpcare versus ObamaCare.....until then, America is not listening to the right either......

Progressive One

Republican repeal of Obamacare implodes
Trump agrees to stop vote on House bill amid GOP opposition
PRESIDENT TRUMP, with Health Secretary Tom Price, left, and Vice President Mike Pence on Friday, had told House Republicans on Thursday that if they didn’t vote for the bill, he would move on to other priorities. (Olivier Douliery Pool Photo ) HOUSE SPEAKER Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) said Republicans were feeling the “growing pains” of becoming the governing party after being in the opposition. (Drew Angerer Getty Images) MINORITY LEADER Nancy Pelosi (D-San Francisco), who helped pass Obamacare, called the failure of the GOP effort a “victory for the American people.” (Andrew Harnik Associated Press)
By Lisa Mascaro and Noam N. Levey reporting from washington
President Trump, elected on a promise to use his deal-making prowess to get Washington working, blinked Friday in the face of defeat, agreeing to halt a House vote on a GOP healthcare overhaul amid crumbling Republican support.
The move came just hours after the White House insisted the vote would go forward regardless of the outcome, and followed Trump’s extraordinary ultimatum Thursday night, when he told rebellious lawmakers that if they didn’t vote for the bill, he would move on to other priorities.
To avoid an embarrassing vote, Trump asked House Speaker Paul D. Ryan to abandon the effort.
The collapse of the bill — legislation that managed to displease both Republican conservatives and centrists — dashed the party’s immediate hopes of fulfilling a longtime campaign promise to repeal and replace President Obama’s signature healthcare law, also called Obamacare.
Trump made a hard, last-minute push for the GOP bill. His spokesman said Friday that the president “left everything on the field.”
In an Oval Office appearance after the vote was canceled, Trump described it as a “very interesting experience.” He praised his fellow Republicans and deflected blame onto Democrats — who opposed the bill. He also said he’d learned something about “loyalty,” apparently referring to the GOP defections.
Trump predicted the country would eventually need to revisit the issue, saying, “We will end up with a truly great healthcare bill in the future after this mess that is Obamacare explodes.”
Both Trump and Ryan, however, said the Republican Party had no plan to revive the repeal-and-replace effort anytime soon, so the current healthcare law will remain in place.
The defeat exposed Trump’s limits as negotiator in chief and raised doubts about his administration’s ability to achieve the rest of its conservative agenda, including tax cuts, deregulation and trade reform.
The fallout was also a setback for Ryan. Critics say the legislation was crafted too quickly and without enough input from other lawmakers or consultation with industry and interest groups.
“Hopefully there will be a lesson learned that let’s work together to write the bill instead of writing it in private,” said Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas).
The failure will only complicate the odd-couple partnership between Ryan and Trump. The president may think twice next time about relying on the speaker to lead legislative campaigns. Though Trump signaled his continued support Friday for Ryan to remain in his post, and many lawmakers were standing by his side, finger-pointing over what went wrong is bound to linger.
Ryan could have afforded to lose no more than about 21 Republican votes to reach the 216 needed for passage. Defections were estimated at one point to be 30 or more.
The conservative House Freedom Caucus wanted Trump and Ryan to go further and faster in unwinding Obamacare rules and taxes. Centrist Republicans were worried the GOP plan would leave too many Americans without health insurance.
“Moving from an opposition party to a governing party comes with growing pains and, well, we’re feeling those growing pains today,” Ryan said. “We came up short.”
The GOP defeat marked a victory for a broad coalition of patient advocates, physician groups and hospitals, which had mounted an intense and sustained campaign to highlight the damage they said the bill would do to patients’ medical care.
Congressional offices reported a huge influx of calls urging a “no” vote on the bill.
“This is a clear statement that the policies in the bill were fatally flawed and should never again see the light of day,” said Robert Doherty, senior vice president of the American College of Physicians.
It remains unclear what political price Republicans may pay for their failure to advance a repeal bill despite controlling the White House and both chambers of Congress. Many GOP activists will be angry if the party abruptly drops an issue it has campaigned on for years.
At the same time, public support for Obamacare has been rising amid the threat to repeal it, and opinion polls showed strong concern over the GOP plan.
The turmoil over the bill also served as a reminder of the GOP’s ongoing internal strife, which can allow small groups of rank-and-file Republicans to determine the party’s direction.
“There’s bitterness within our conference,” said Rep. Chris Collins (R-N.Y.). “It’s going to take time to heal.”
Rep. Steve Womack (R-Ark.) said he hoped the defeat would eventually bring the party closer together.
“This is a tough situation for us to handle right now; there’s no question it’s a loss for leadership,” he said. “Sometimes these things, if you give them time to marinate, we’ll have an opportunity to bring us back together, and regroup, and get our mojo again.”
Democrats stood firmly against the Republican bill, which GOP leaders had hoped to pass on Obamacare’s seventh anniversary this week. Democrats warned of the harm to ordinary Americans — many in areas Trump won — who would lose access to healthcare.
Under the Republican plan, about 24 million more Americans would be expected to join the ranks of the uninsured during the first decade, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-San Francisco), who helped Obama pass the Affordable Care Act, called the failure of the Republican effort a “victory for the American people.”
The House bill would have dramatically scaled back the healthcare safety net that Obamacare expanded, slashing federal spending and removing key coverage guarantees.
It would have effectively reversed the insurance coverage gains that the country has notched over the last several years, and doubled the number of uninsured by 2026.
States would have lost nearly $900 billion in federal funding for their Medicaid health insurance programs for the poor.
As the bill approached a final vote, opposition grew. GOP leaders were forced to abandon a Thursday vote after conservatives, led by the House Freedom Caucus, argued the bill did not go far enough in gutting Obamacare — particularly its mandates that health policies provide specific benefits. They wanted insurers to be allowed to offer skimpier plans that cost less.
Meanwhile, centrist Republicans worried the bill would have left too many constituents without healthcare.
Trump’s inability to close the deal with the holdouts exposed his newness to the legislative process and his slim hold on the deeper policy nuances needed to bring lawmakers to his side.
The president largely played the role of a bustling figurehead — inviting lawmakers to the White House, trying to win their support — rather than an in-the-weeds horse-trader able to round up votes.
For example, Friday morning Trump tweeted criticism of the Freedom Caucus for not taking the deal even though it would have cut funds for Planned Parenthood. But abortion, in this case, wasn’t driving their opposition.
For a while, negotiations with the rebellious factions were relatively congenial. But that changed late Thursday after Trump’s budget chief told House Republicans during a private meeting in the Capitol basement that the president was “done negotiating” and expected lawmakers to fulfill their campaign promises to end Obamacare, according to those in the room.
The dramatic moment startled Republicans — and cut both ways.
Some lawmakers who panned the bill left the meeting frustrated by Trump’s tough talk, while others became emotional — “there were tears,” said Rep. Barry Loudermilk (R-Ga.) — over their moment to achieve their longtime goal of ending Obamacare.
“I wish you could have seen the passion in that room,” said Republican Rep. Brian Mast (R-Fla.).
lisa.mascaro @latimes.com
Twitter: @LisaMascaro
noam.levey@latimes.com
Twitter: @noamleveyTimes staff writers Brian Bennett and Michael A. Memoli contributed to this report.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

I see went right over your head. The 24 million figure is fake news. That figure comes from an estimate of the number of people who may decide not to get insurance since there is no penalty for not having insurance in the bill being worked on. I did hear the Republicans say that anyone on Obamacare now will remain on it if that is what they want. Also in this bill was coverage for pre-existing conditions so you do not know what you are talking about. The new bill was supposed to give American's more choices, get rid of mandates and block grant Medicaid dollars to the states. I agree with all of that. I was against the bill because I could not see where it lowers premiums and/or deductible's. You lemmings are against any new bill no matter what it covers because it is sponsored by the Republicans. If you say that's not true you are a liar. For instance your own party admits the ACA cannot survive as written yet the Democrats have not authored one bill to fix it. Looks like they don't give a shit about the little girl.

Progressive One

Fake News My Black ASS!! You people are some dishonest fks.....read and educate your damn self.


Obama’s phrase was aimed at the large number of working-age voters who get their health insurance through their jobs. Obamacare (properly: The Affordable Care Act, or ACA) didn’t lead to large numbers of people losing their employer-based plans. Yet those people are among the 24 million who could lose coverage under the Republican health plan, according to the CBO. That figure is far worse than even skeptical projections from outside analysts, and the Trump administration says it disagrees "strenuously" with the forecast.

The CBO predicts that in 2026, 7 million fewer people would receive employer-based insurance, either because their employers would choose to stop offering insurance or because the employees would opt out because the new law, unlike the ACA, doesn’t require everyone to be insured or pay a penalty. Many of these people, including the young and healthy, would buy insurance on the individual market, in part using age-based tax credits provided by the proposed law, called the American Health Care Act (the AHCA).

http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2017/03/14/keep-your-plan-maybe-not-under-trumpcare-says-devastating-cbo-report/#40ecea922948

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

First off, there you go again. You need valium. Secondly I listened to Obama. He never once said if you like your insurance you can keep it and by the way I am talking about people on employer based plans. So millions like myself did lose their doctor and insurance. I really don't give a shit about someone else's plan. My first responsibility is to my family and self. You keep dreaming that the ACA is doing just fine. Go ahead. You only love it because your god was the president when it was passed. Pull your big eared head out of your black ass and kiss it yourself. You can respond but once again you lose. Keep it up and you might not even get a participation trophy loser.

Progressive One

Okay....well the approval ratings are going up which is greater than your selfish ass and one family and it has been proven that ObamaCare slowed the the rise in costs....so if you're willing to see millions lose healthcare so your family can benefit then you obviously have a piece of shit plan and employer.....the people who lost plans had shitty plans anyway that did not meet minimum standards.....you lie again just your bullshit fake news statement sounding like trump's intellectually lazy ass......no one could ever state the goal of trumpcare.........no universal objective but to replace ObamaCare......that is why you failed after 60 attempts to repeal........you had no replacement worth a shit.

‘Millions’ Lost Insurance
By Lori RobertsonPosted on April 11, 2014


Party Lines

The Line: Millions of people have lost their health insurance and their doctors because of the Affordable Care Act.
The Party: Republican

Critics of the law now say millions lost their health insurance. But that’s misleading. Those individual market plans were discontinued, but policyholders weren’t denied coverage. And the question is, how many millions of insured Americans had plans canceled, and how does that compare with the millions of uninsured Americans who gained coverage under the law.
There is evidence that far more have gained coverage than had their policies canceled.

Millions more are expected to gain insurance because of the law nationwide in the coming years. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates that there will be 25 million fewer uninsured due to the ACA as early as 2016.
Losing Doctors?
The AFP ad also makes the claim that “millions of people can’t see their own doctors,” but there’s no evidence that all those who had individual market policies discontinued ended up not being able to keep their own doctors. Anecdotally, we know of some folks who were able to keep the same doctor on a new insurance policy. But those are only a few individual stories. One of our guiding principles here is the saying, “The plural of anecdote is not data.”
http://www.factcheck.org/2014/04/millions-lost-insurance/

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Run Forest Run!

Progressive One

Great response!! very telling!!!

Progressive One

BACK STORY
Who is Oleg Deripaska?
Meet the Russian billionaire at the center of a U.S. political scandal
OLEG DERIPASKA, left, greets Russian President Vladimir Putin in 2014. Deripaska has been described as a “permanent fixture on Putin’s trips abroad.” (Mikhail Klimentyev Associated Press)
Ann M. Simmons
He is an aluminum tycoon, one of Russia’s wealthiest businessmen, and is tight with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Now Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska finds himself at the center of a heated American political scandal.
Earlier this week, the Associated Press reported that Paul Manafort, President Trump’s former campaign manager, had “secretly worked” for Deripaska a decade ago to advance Putin’s interests.
Manafort has denied that any business he did with Deripaska was related to helping the Russian government. And a representative for Deripaska told Russia’s Kommersant newspaper that while Manafort did provide consultancy services on investments, that work “was part of contracts that only involved Oleg Deripaska’s business interests.” And those contracts are currently “a subject of litigation,” the representative said.
But just who is Oleg Deripaska?
His rise came with the
fall of the Soviet Union
Deripaska was born on Jan. 2, 1968, in the city of Dzerzhinsk, about 250 miles east of Moscow.
According to Reuters, he graduated from the School of Physics at Moscow State University in 1993 and three years later graduated from the School of Economics at Plekhanov Academy of Economics. After graduating he founded a small metals trading operation and established a foothold in the domestic metals industry, the news agency said.
The Financial Times reported that by the mid-1990s , following the collapse of the Soviet Union, Deripaska had acquired a stake in a smelting factory and by the end of that decade he had managed to secure a strong foothold in the Russian aluminum industry.
The making
of a billionaire
In 2008, Forbes magazine listed Deripaska as the ninth-richest man in the world, worth about $28 billion. He almost went bankrupt during the global financial crisis but managed to bounce back due to shrewd restructuring of his debts, and according to some reports, a helping hand from the Kremlin.
He reputedly had ties to organized criminal groups — a charge Deripaska has denied — and to Boris Berezovsky, a Russian tycoon who is widely believed to have been instrumental in installing Vladimir Putin as prime minister and later president, according to Russian media reports.
In 2016, Forbes ranked Deripaska as Russia’s 41st wealthiest man. He owns Basic Element, Russia’s most diversified industrial group, and today his net worth is $5.1 billionthe magazine said. , according to financial magazine.
Deripaska “owns stakes in UC Rusal, a leading aluminum producer; EuroSibEnergo, one of the largest hydroelectric power producers in the world; GAZ Group, a leading automotive company; Ingosstrakh, an insurance company, and AgroHolding Kuban, [a] large agricultural company in Russia,” Forbes reported. In addition, he “has an investment in the joint venture that operates airports in the South of Russia, including Sochi Airport,”
He moves
in powerful circles
The 49-year-old Deripaska, a father of two children, is described as being tall and well-built with closely cropped brown hair. He is married to the daughter of an advisor to former Russian President Boris Yeltsin.
As a result, he became part of the “Family,” an informal group of tycoons and government officials with links to the now-
deceased president, whose administration from 1991 to 1999 was marred by widespread corruption. The “Family” lost power after Putin became president in 2000, and Deripaska had to fall in line with the Kremlin’s new master.
Tension, then ties to Vladimir Putin
During the late 2000s when the global financial crisis almost made Deripaska bankrupt, “Kremlin friends” helped bail him out, according to a 2011 profile of the magnate in Canada’s Globe and Mail.
The newspaper reported that in 2009, Putin compared oligarchs such as Deripaska to cockroaches and “forced Mr. Deripaska to sign a document safeguarding the future of a local factory.” The two men appeared to fall out, but the tension between them has since eased, according to several media reports.
The AP report said U.S. diplomatic cables from 2006 described Deripaska as “among the two to three oligarchs Putin turns to on a regular basis” and “a more-or-less permanent fixture on Putin’s trips abroad.”
In the late 1990s, the U.S. State Department refused to allow Deripaska to visit the United States, because of his alleged ties to organized crime, according to several U.S. media reports. Deripaska’s ties to Putin were so close that Russia’s foreign minister asked U.S. secretaries of state for more than a decade, including as recently as last year, to help Deripaska secure a visa to enter the United States, the Washington Post reported.
The Manafort
connection
According to the AP report, Manafort “proposed in a confidential strategy plan as early as June 2005 that he would influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and the former Soviet republics to benefit the Putin government.”
Manafort pitched the plans to Deripaska and eventually signed a $10-million annual contract beginning in 2006, the news agency reported.
According to CNN, Manafort acknowledged working for Deripaska but dismissed claims that his work involved “representing Russian political interests.”
The Trump administration has denied knowing about Manafort’s work for Deripaska. And in recent days, officials appeared to distance themselves from Manafort, with White House press secretary Sean Spicer downplaying the former advisor’s influence in Trump’s presidential campaign.
A philanthropist
who supports education
The 2011 Globe and Mail profile described Deripaski as a shy and not “conspicuously flashy” man who considered himself a patriot. At the time, he owned a chalet outside Moscow, with its own small ski hill , a 239-foot, six-deck yacht, called the Queen K, and properties in Tokyo, London and Montenegro, among other places, according to the newspaper’s report at that time.
The newspaper reported that Deripaska was not even eager to publicize his numerous charities, which over the decade of 2000-09 contributed some $250 million “largely to education projects.”
Deripaska’s website says he has donated the equivalent of about $185 million to charity and social projects.
“Motivated and active people change the world, create something to be proud of for generations and are changing our world and our lives for the better,” Deripaska writes on his website . “How do we achieve these goals? To my mind, primarily through the support of educational and research projects, the development of culture, preservation of traditions and the improvement of the social environment in the regions.”
ann.simmons@latimes.com
Special correspondent Mansur Mirovalev in Moscow contributed to this report.