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Mar 9, 2017 06:45:06   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Once more, Paul "Lyin" Ryan has proved that he needs to stop putting it off, and replace the (R) after his name with a (D). I don't know why Democrats don't like Speaker Ryan. He has been of more benefit to the Democrats than the Republicans ever since he became Speaker.
The supposed "repeal and replace" of Obamacare has been sidelined, and instead we have Paul Ryan's guaranteed-to-fail version. This is not a repeal of Obamacare, it is a rehash that leaves most of the objectionable parts of the ACA intact.
If I were a Democrat, I would enthusiastically support Ryan's plan, as it will be nothing but bad news for Republicans in 2018 and 2020 if it passes. If Democrats are stupid enough to vote against this abortion, they will still win if it passes, because Republicans who promised repeal and replace will be shown to be liars.
Ryan's bill does nothing to encourage free-market competition across state lines which is the basis for improving health care. It keeps the provision allowing kids to stay on their parent's insurance until the age of 26. It provides large penalties for a lapse of coverage and continues the Medicaid expansion without explaining exactly how the F*ck it will be paid for.
In short, Ryan has once more proven himself to be a Democrat at heart; a Democrat In Practice, So Hypocritical It Is Transformational
(In other words, a DIPSHIIT rather than a RINO.

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Mar 9, 2017 07:07:00   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Loki wrote:
Once more, Paul "Lyin" Ryan has proved that he needs to stop putting it off, and replace the (R) after his name with a (D). I don't know why Democrats don't like Speaker Ryan. He has been of more benefit to the Democrats than the Republicans ever since he became Speaker.
The supposed "repeal and replace" of Obamacare has been sidelined, and instead we have Paul Ryan's guaranteed-to-fail version. This is not a repeal of Obamacare, it is a rehash that leaves most of the objectionable parts of the ACA intact.
If I were a Democrat, I would enthusiastically support Ryan's plan, as it will be nothing but bad news for Republicans in 2018 and 2020 if it passes. If Democrats are stupid enough to vote against this abortion, they will still win if it passes, because Republicans who promised repeal and replace will be shown to be liars.
Ryan's bill does nothing to encourage free-market competition across state lines which is the basis for improving health care. It keeps the provision allowing kids to stay on their parent's insurance until the age of 26. It provides large penalties for a lapse of coverage and continues the Medicaid expansion without explaining exactly how the F*ck it will be paid for.
In short, Ryan has once more proven himself to be a Democrat at heart; a Democrat In Practice, So Hypocritical It Is Transformational
(In other words, a DIPSHIIT rather than a RINO.
Once more, Paul "Lyin" Ryan has proved t... (show quote)
My biggest worry about Trump was that he would lead a 'Progressive' GOP.

I was heartened by his cabinet picks, but his support of this bill is just disgusting.

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Mar 9, 2017 07:14:59   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
Loki wrote:
Once more, Paul "Lyin" Ryan has proved that he needs to stop putting it off, and replace the (R) after his name with a (D). I don't know why Democrats don't like Speaker Ryan. He has been of more benefit to the Democrats than the Republicans ever since he became Speaker.
The supposed "repeal and replace" of Obamacare has been sidelined, and instead we have Paul Ryan's guaranteed-to-fail version. This is not a repeal of Obamacare, it is a rehash that leaves most of the objectionable parts of the ACA intact.
If I were a Democrat, I would enthusiastically support Ryan's plan, as it will be nothing but bad news for Republicans in 2018 and 2020 if it passes. If Democrats are stupid enough to vote against this abortion, they will still win if it passes, because Republicans who promised repeal and replace will be shown to be liars.
Ryan's bill does nothing to encourage free-market competition across state lines which is the basis for improving health care. It keeps the provision allowing kids to stay on their parent's insurance until the age of 26. It provides large penalties for a lapse of coverage and continues the Medicaid expansion without explaining exactly how the F*ck it will be paid for.
In short, Ryan has once more proven himself to be a Democrat at heart; a Democrat In Practice, So Hypocritical It Is Transformational
(In other words, a DIPSHIIT rather than a RINO.
Once more, Paul "Lyin" Ryan has proved t... (show quote)








I'm still willing to give Ryan the benefit of-the-doubt, Loki. I saw him on FOX {Tucker}, last night, and he made perfect sense about why all of President Trump's promises to America have to be put-in on a 3 to 6 stage authorization process, or may be stopped. "Lefty" (D), are all holding together as was with ObamaCare (D), and if ANY of the stages is overloaded with even ONE "package," the Alinsky crew in Congress (D), will filibuster the entire process, 'til hell-freezes-over; and it will only take a few RINO's to give "aid and comfort to-the-enemy!!!" "WE" can't pull the usual conservative crap, split-up, and "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory," again. Remember, President Trump (R), is just like the weather!!! And Ryan is betting that the Alinskyites (D) will HAVE TO "enthusiastically support {EACH stage} of the plan." Just don't overload them!!! It's using the "Rules for Radicals," AGAINST them and doing the "nudge" trip; an impossibility to negate if done correctly. "Slow and steady wins the race." The (D)emonrats are betting their jobs in Congress {and government, in general} that "WE" will bet against Ryan and split the conservative Party. Don't do it. It would be the end of President Trump's good relationship with patriotic conservative constitutionalist America if there is even a small division in the Republican Party!!!

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Mar 9, 2017 07:23:48   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
robmull wrote:
I'm still willing to give Ryan the benefit of-the-doubt, Loki. I saw him on FOX {Tucker}, last night, and he made perfect sense about why all of President Trump's promises to America have to be put-in on a 3 to 6 stage authorization process, or may be stopped. "Lefty" (D), are all holding together as was with ObamaCare (D), and if ANY of the stages is overloaded with even ONE "package," the Alinsky crew in Congress (D), will filibuster the entire process, 'til hell-freezes-over; and it will only take a few RINO's to give "aid and comfort to-the-enemy!!!" "WE" can't pull the usual conservative crap, split-up, and "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory," again. Remember, President Trump (R), is just like the weather!!! And Ryan is betting that the Alinskyites (D) will HAVE TO "enthusiastically support {EACH stage} of the plan." Just don't overload them!!!
I'm still willing to give Ryan the benefit of-the-... (show quote)


Ryan is a liar who longs to be a Democrat. Who do you think is responsible for passing Obama's last two budgets which fully funded both the Executive Amnesties, and Obamacare, not to mention Sanctuary Cities? The RINO's campaigned on opposition to all these things, and once they got their no-good asses re-elected, couldn't wait to fund all of them in full.
Paul Ryan makes extra money by giving Nancy Pelosi Democrat lessons. He is at least as bad as John Boehner was. He hides behind do-nothing, go-nowhere conservative sounding legislation, and then votes with the Liberal Democrats on the really important things.

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Mar 9, 2017 07:33:26   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
robmull wrote:
I'm still willing to give Ryan the benefit of-the-doubt, Loki. I saw him on FOX {Tucker}, last night, and he made perfect sense about why all of President Trump's promises to America have to be put-in on a 3 to 6 stage authorization process, or may be stopped. "Lefty" (D), are all holding together as was with ObamaCare (D), and if ANY of the stages is overloaded with even ONE "package," the Alinsky crew in Congress (D), will filibuster the entire process, 'til hell-freezes-over; and it will only take a few RINO's to give "aid and comfort to-the-enemy!!!" "WE" can't pull the usual conservative crap, split-up, and "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory," again. Remember, President Trump (R), is just like the weather!!! And Ryan is betting that the Alinskyites (D) will HAVE TO "enthusiastically support {EACH stage} of the plan." Just don't overload them!!! It's using the "Rules for Radicals," AGAINST them and doing the "nudge" trip; an impossibility to negate if done correctly. "Slow and steady wins the race." The (D)emonrats are betting their jobs in Congress {and government, in general} that "WE" will bet against Ryan and split the conservative Party. Don't do it. It would be the end of President Trump's good relationship with patriotic conservative constitutionalist America if there is even a small division in the Republican Party!!!
I'm still willing to give Ryan the benefit of-the-... (show quote)

You've got faith, brother.

The GOP passed a bill that they sent to Obama to veto.

Why would they not pass the same bill now?

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Mar 9, 2017 07:42:10   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Loki wrote:
Once more, Paul "Lyin" Ryan has proved that he needs to stop putting it off, and replace the (R) after his name with a (D). I don't know why Democrats don't like Speaker Ryan. He has been of more benefit to the Democrats than the Republicans ever since he became Speaker.
The supposed "repeal and replace" of Obamacare has been sidelined, and instead we have Paul Ryan's guaranteed-to-fail version. This is not a repeal of Obamacare, it is a rehash that leaves most of the objectionable parts of the ACA intact.
If I were a Democrat, I would enthusiastically support Ryan's plan, as it will be nothing but bad news for Republicans in 2018 and 2020 if it passes. If Democrats are stupid enough to vote against this abortion, they will still win if it passes, because Republicans who promised repeal and replace will be shown to be liars.
Ryan's bill does nothing to encourage free-market competition across state lines which is the basis for improving health care. It keeps the provision allowing kids to stay on their parent's insurance until the age of 26. It provides large penalties for a lapse of coverage and continues the Medicaid expansion without explaining exactly how the F*ck it will be paid for.
In short, Ryan has once more proven himself to be a Democrat at heart; a Democrat In Practice, So Hypocritical It Is Transformational
(In other words, a DIPSHIIT rather than a RINO.
Once more, Paul "Lyin" Ryan has proved t... (show quote)


I have never cared for Ryan!! Can't believe he was voted in as well, dang sure don't trust him and this "new Ryan care " is garbage.. They need to do better that's for sure...

Like cancel the whole dang thing and leave people to do as they did before but now employers don't offerr ohealth anymore or if they do the waiting time to qualify has gone to six months or even a year...

One screwed up mess it all is!!

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Mar 9, 2017 07:43:50   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
Loki wrote:
Ryan is a liar who longs to be a Democrat. Who do you think is responsible for passing Obama's last two budgets which fully funded both the Executive Amnesties, and Obamacare, not to mention Sanctuary Cities? The RINO's campaigned on opposition to all these things, and once they got their no-good asses re-elected, couldn't wait to fund all of them in full.
Paul Ryan makes extra money by giving Nancy Pelosi Democrat lessons. He is at least as bad as John Boehner was. He hides behind do-nothing, go-nowhere conservative sounding legislation, and then votes with the Liberal Democrats on the really important things.
Ryan is a liar who longs to be a Democrat. Who do ... (show quote)








You are exhibiting the attitude that (D)emonrats are counting-on, Loki, to win-back ALL THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT!!! "(D)ivide and conquer." "WE" will see after the first stage HAS TO BE PASSED by Congress; and then what the next stage entails. You see how the (D)emonrats are throwing everything they have at President Trump (R), NOT AT ALL "(D)ividing" one tiny bit, and don't always tell the truth...LOLOLOLOL. Hummmmm. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the congressional "leaks" {about Ryan/Boehner's RINO status}, are like a subsidiary of the NYT/CIA/FBI/NSA/DOJ/AG/EPA/HUD/FCC/BLM/"MSLSD"/HLS/FEMA/(D) Cabinet, etc., "Russian" scam. If "WE" don't trust each-other "WE" will be "annihilated." Quickly. That's the new ideology and agenda of "lefty." "No more talk, no more reasoning with the sub-human species, conservative Republicans, only annihilation." All the minorities are teaming-up BIG-TIME since the election of; the worst thing that's happened to the radical Marx/Alinskyites (D), since even before Alinsky (D), was born, 1909. "Stick together or hang separately."

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Mar 9, 2017 07:47:49   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
lindajoy wrote:
I have never cared for Ryan!! Can't believe he was voted in as well, dang sure don't trust him and this "new Ryan care " is garbage.. They need to do better that's for sure...

Like cancel the whole dang thing and leave people to do as they did before but now employers don't offerr or health anymore or they do the waiting time to qualify has gone to six months or even a year...

One screwed up mess it all is!!


I supported Ryan 5 years ago. I was disappointed in him greatly after his election loss.

Trump and Ryan are both on the same 'Progressive Lite GOP' bandwagon. Shame on them both.

Trump's previous positions (post election) were all good, but this one sucks to heck-n-back. Remember Trump said he wanted 'Universal Care' (IOW - Full Soviet Socialism) in his campaign speeches.

My hope is that Trump is more adept at changing a failed position than the GOP elite in congress.

We shall see.

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Mar 9, 2017 08:10:24   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
Super Dave wrote:
I supported Ryan 5 years ago. I was disappointed in him greatly after his election loss.

Trump and Ryan are both on the same 'Progressive Lite GOP' bandwagon. Shame on them both.

Trump's previous positions (post election) were all good, but this one sucks to heck-n-back. Remember Trump said he wanted 'Universal Care' (IOW - Full Soviet Socialism) in his campaign speeches.

My hope is that Trump is more adept at changing a failed position than the GOP elite in congress.

We shall see.
I supported Ryan 5 years ago. I was disappointed i... (show quote)







Don't fall for it, SD. The only thing that will help the (D's) the most is the division of the Republican Party. That's the plan, and they will do ANYTHING - I repeat - ANYTHING, to make that happen; and you can't slide a THIN sheet-of-paper between Pelosi and Keith Ellison and BHO!!! And "annihilation," is the new "Black {Marxist} Liberation Theology" (D), ideology and agenda. No ifs ands or buts. Watch FOX {Tucker} interview with the "sub-human/annihilation" guy/Rev.

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Mar 9, 2017 08:17:43   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
lindajoy wrote:
I have never cared for Ryan!! Can't believe he was voted in as well, dang sure don't trust him and this "new Ryan care " is garbage.. They need to do better that's for sure...

Like cancel the whole dang thing and leave people to do as they did before but now employers don't offerr ohealth anymore or if they do the waiting time to qualify has gone to six months or even a year...

One screwed up mess it all is!!






Hi, LJ. "Lefty," is doing ANYTHING to split the Republican Party. ANYTHING!!! ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING!!! I wrote a few blurbs on this heading to give my interpretation of what's happening with (R) Congress' 3 to 5 stage method of avoiding the (D)eadly (D) filibuster, that would sink OUR ship!!! "(D)ivide and conquer," is the same-old, same-old agenda of "lefty," and if it works "WE" will be "annihilated;" and lose ALL 3 Branches of government {and America}, in the wink of-an-eye!!! "If 'WE' don't hang-together, 'WE' will surely hang separately" {Benjamin Franklin}!!!

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Mar 9, 2017 09:22:11   #
reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.
 
Loki wrote:
Once more, Paul "Lyin" Ryan has proved that he needs to stop putting it off, and replace the (R) after his name with a (D). I don't know why Democrats don't like Speaker Ryan. He has been of more benefit to the Democrats than the Republicans ever since he became Speaker.
The supposed "repeal and replace" of Obamacare has been sidelined, and instead we have Paul Ryan's guaranteed-to-fail version. This is not a repeal of Obamacare, it is a rehash that leaves most of the objectionable parts of the ACA intact.
If I were a Democrat, I would enthusiastically support Ryan's plan, as it will be nothing but bad news for Republicans in 2018 and 2020 if it passes. If Democrats are stupid enough to vote against this abortion, they will still win if it passes, because Republicans who promised repeal and replace will be shown to be liars.
Ryan's bill does nothing to encourage free-market competition across state lines which is the basis for improving health care. It keeps the provision allowing kids to stay on their parent's insurance until the age of 26. It provides large penalties for a lapse of coverage and continues the Medicaid expansion without explaining exactly how the F*ck it will be paid for.
In short, Ryan has once more proven himself to be a Democrat at heart; a Democrat In Practice, So Hypocritical It Is Transformational
(In other words, a DIPSHIIT rather than a RINO.
Once more, Paul "Lyin" Ryan has proved t... (show quote)


Repeal Damn it , that is what we voted for . No gov. in health care !! GET THE HELL OUT !! FREE MARKET !!

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Mar 9, 2017 09:24:57   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Super Dave wrote:
I supported Ryan 5 years ago. I was disappointed in him greatly after his election loss.

Trump and Ryan are both on the same 'Progressive Lite GOP' bandwagon. Shame on them both.

Trump's previous positions (post election) were all good, but this one sucks to heck-n-back. Remember Trump said he wanted 'Universal Care' (IOW - Full Soviet Socialism) in his campaign speeches.

My hope is that Trump is more adept at changing a failed position than the GOP elite in congress.

We shall see.
I supported Ryan 5 years ago. I was disappointed i... (show quote)


I agree with you about this Ryan proposal, it does suck and I hope Trump isn't swayed by Congress or Ryan to approve it!! I already wrote Trump with a cc to Ryan and Congress...

As for Ryan years ago I viewed him as a possible shaker and mover until he did some things I didn't care for.. His growing a beard in recognition of Muslim finished it for me.. He's another closet RINO who speaks out of both sides of his mouth... Fully disruptive with no serious resolution unless everyone loves him for his effort...

I think he's a McConnell clone too...

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Mar 9, 2017 09:27:27   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
reconreb wrote:
Repeal Damn it , that is what we voted for . No gov. in health care !! GET THE HELL OUT !! FREE MARKET !!


Right there with recon!! At this point they have created an Albatros for we citizens..

Here's the solution; they provide us with exactly what they have for pennies on the dollar!! If it's good for them then it's good for us!

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Mar 9, 2017 10:08:11   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
Super Dave wrote:
You've got faith, brother.

The GOP passed a bill that they sent to Obama to veto.

Why would they not pass the same bill now?


SD-Ryan says the bill which he is introducing is the same bill that Obama vetoed. They need to do this in
steps to get it passed. However, if they cannot get premiums down enough to obviate the need for Tax
Credits what have we gained ? Time for Single Payer ?? America First !!!

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Mar 9, 2017 11:06:57   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Loki wrote:
Once more, Paul "Lyin" Ryan has proved that he needs to stop putting it off, and replace the (R) after his name with a (D). I don't know why Democrats don't like Speaker Ryan. He has been of more benefit to the Democrats than the Republicans ever since he became Speaker.
The supposed "repeal and replace" of Obamacare has been sidelined, and instead we have Paul Ryan's guaranteed-to-fail version. This is not a repeal of Obamacare, it is a rehash that leaves most of the objectionable parts of the ACA intact.
If I were a Democrat, I would enthusiastically support Ryan's plan, as it will be nothing but bad news for Republicans in 2018 and 2020 if it passes. If Democrats are stupid enough to vote against this abortion, they will still win if it passes, because Republicans who promised repeal and replace will be shown to be liars.
Ryan's bill does nothing to encourage free-market competition across state lines which is the basis for improving health care. It keeps the provision allowing kids to stay on their parent's insurance until the age of 26. It provides large penalties for a lapse of coverage and continues the Medicaid expansion without explaining exactly how the F*ck it will be paid for.
In short, Ryan has once more proven himself to be a Democrat at heart; a Democrat In Practice, So Hypocritical It Is Transformational
(In other words, a DIPSHIIT rather than a RINO.
Once more, Paul "Lyin" Ryan has proved t... (show quote)


These clowns had 8 years to look at this, but didn't. Remember all the claims of "we have a better plan, and we'll reveal it next month"? It happened in 2010, 2012, 2014 and 2016, coinciding with the election cycle, but didn't actually look at it until - 2017. Discovering that this is enormously complicated, and being absolute morons, they had no choice but to try sneak Obamacare back in - by renaming it. Did you know that Carl's Junior and Hardees are the same restaurant? You can change the name - but it's still Obamacare.

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