Glaucon

Glaucon wrote:
You have an opinion about that and I have an opinion about that. Neither of us has more than a sliver of the information that would be necessary to be sure of much of anything about it. There have been investigation and there are on going investigations. When they are all complete, we will probably have some reasonably accurate information upon which to base our opinions. I think that to have firm opinions now is based more on what we want to believe than what the available evidence tells us. Keep in mind that a lot of people believed Obama was not born in the U,S. and most people no longer believe that.

I think everyone likes to control as much as they can. I have to guess other people's intentions, because I can't read mind directly. I have often found that my guesses about other people's intentions are right, but I am often wrong and guess other's intentions based on what I want to believe.

I try not to kid myself, but when I do, I am often unaware that I am doing that.

Thanks for writing a thoughtful message.


1oldgeezer wrote:

(Sounds a bit like you are mixing Benghazi into this a little when you say we don't know anything about it or just a "sliver of information"?- My comment was about the ACA which we now know very much about-if "we" care to look.)
You are right, I was confusing ACA with Benghazi. However, I do think we have information problems with both. ACA is a lengthy, complicated bill, the final functioning product will, I am sure, be much different than the original bill as there will be many amendments to it that will be made over the years. I would guess that no one who has commented on it on this site have read it. That is really not so bad, since complicated bills are seldom the same after amendments.
Many of us are fearful that what we get through ACA might be worse than what we have now. My opinion is we might see some very rare circumstances in which that happens and we will need to fix them. If some of these fears are justified, we need to fix it as necessary.
I support the ACA for several reasons:
We need to have quality health care for all and states would vary greatly in the quality they would provide.
Our present health care system is broken. It is entirely too expensive for the quality we receive. If ACA is too expensive, For a first step, we might have to eliminate some of the nearly one thousand military bases we have around the world. ACA is the only game in town and, although imperfect, can and will be modified ongoing as necessary through legislation. I believe most Republicans want to keep the preent sysem as it is and I am unaware that they have offered an alternative to ACA. If we call it socialism, it is bad. If we call it Americans working together to provide affordable, quality care for all, it is good.
I would suggest that to know something you don't always have to read someone else's mind, you simply look at the results of his actions.
I see what you mean. However, it has been my experience that our results often don't match our intentions. When people opine that Obama hates America and is trying to destroy it, they are apparently coming to that conclusion from something he has done that I haven't seen. I think we need to be aware of our own biases and be extremely careful in inferring intentions.

If his actions result in the rapid expansion of government programs and control, if it is bad for the country, do you wait to oppose it until you find out if it is intentional or simply misguided?????
No, I don't want to wait to oppose any of his actions with which I disagree. When you say his actions, you seem to leave out the many people and forces that have very powerful influence on what he does and doesn't do. We need to keep in mind that in a democracy, one peson's misguided is another person's essential action.
I think that in a democracy, we must be constantly vigilant about expansion of government programs. We must also be vigilant about our national budget, and I think we should endeavor to understand the issues and probable outcomes. However, I think it is penny wise and pound foolish to automatically oppose everything that costs tax money or raises taxes. We have representatives that are charged with analyzing these issues and acting on our behalf. If they aren't, it is our responsibility to replace them.

If someone gets run over, what difference does it make to the victim's condition if it was accidental or on purpose?
What difference does it make to the person who gets run over? None
What difference does it make to a jury? accident, negligent homicide, homocide
What difference does it make to the insurance company? Pay or not pay
What difference does it make to the driver? a fine, the gas chamber, guilty conscience, sorrow, nothing.
I don't know how much you really know about Obamacare, but I know enough already to know that it drastically extends the government control over everyone, not just the small percentage of uninsured that this administration used to justify this behemoth. The poor, uninsured could have easily been done in a way not to affect the entire insurance industry and all the citizens; I sincerely believe that this administration is smart enough to have known this, but chose to include everyone in the net. What other logical conclusion can we draw from this? (Even without reading minds).
I draw the (tentative) logical conclusion that humans are imperfect, Many people were/are responsible for the writing, success and failures of ACA, It would have been great had they been more able to predict results of their actions. No major projects like this have ever been without many snags and this is no exception. I don't know what Obama would gain by supporting a program that failed.

The poor won't even be helped with this monster as its effects are felt in the economy, jobs available, and national debt increases.
I don't think so, but I could be wrong.

1oldgeezer

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

when answering someone please use the quote reply button

lonewolf28

I can give you some points on Obama care I am not a old greeza like you but not far from It.did you know congress did not write the AGA,a lot words were used that most people don't under stand but we at the

Glaucon

Lonewolf,

You are the only person that know Congress didn't write the ACA. It was written by Santa Claus.

Glaucon

Larry,

Join the circle jerk. Intelligent people keep looking for evidence they may be wrong. Stupid people keep looking for other stupid to tell them they are right.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

you can believe in santa clause if you like but congress didn't write it

Glaucon

Congress believes it wrote the ACA and when it finds out that you know it didn't really write it, the members will be as impressed and amazed as I am.

Comments on my support of ACA:

We need to have quality health care for all Americans.
Our present health care system is broken. It is entirely too expensive for the quality we receive.
If ACA is too expensive, as a first step, we might have to eliminate some of the nearly one thousand military bases we have around the world. We can easily afford ACA if quality health care is a high priority for us.
ACA is the only game in town and, although imperfect, can and will be modified ongoing as necessary through legislation.
I believe most Republicans want to keep the present system as it is and I am unaware that they have offered an alternative to ACA.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

congress does not believe any such thing only those like you that are so brain dead that you can not think for your self believe they did they know they didn't

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

It would be a dream come true for the democrats if someone else wrote it but their dream is a nightmare.

WE need QUALITY health care, does this mean a 65 year old woman needs birth control. It does not and there is NO quality in ObamaCare. If it was so GREAT people would flock to it and their NOT. Just because you think it's great and I think it's crap means nothing but the numbers are with me.

Glaucon

Bills that become laws are written by Congress. Congress thinks it wrote ACA and you know for sure they didn't. Now let me think: which could possibly be right and which could be blowing big smoke and bathing in delusions of grandeur and self aggrandizement? I have to guess that isn't Congress. Will you take some time from your busy bloviating and write Congress and set them straight.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

#1 the senate takes credit for writing the bill and I for one hope the country lets them take the credit because that would make it more unconstitutional than it already is

lonewolf28

my be so but I know the reb's didn't have no in put in to that bill my be some of the top dem's who can keep there mouths shut might of help but that's it.

Glaucon

Your knowledge of the Congress, the courts, and the constitution are truly remarkable. Does that sound sarcastic?

Glaucon

Please write this so it is understandable, if that is possible.

Glaucon

Cleverly misunderstood Technically that's called motivated cognition, but you seem to have more of the motivated than the cognition.