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Feb 28, 2017 01:40:06   #
HedgeHog
 
Gener wrote:
It is not a hoax. I am aware of how the NYT lies. This time they did not. This was in our local newspaper a few months ago. It is the plan. I know that for a fact. There is nothing ridiculous about it. The elite want this because they can completely control people. The chip is tied in with the banking system. It may be voluntary at first. It won't stay that way. If you do not take the chip you cannot buy or sell. If you don't comply they turn off the chip. This is not a joke. This is real and it is going to happen.
It is not a hoax. I am aware of how the NYT lies. ... (show quote)


Oooookay. Where does the chip go?

When "smart cards" first were being used, in the 1980's, the same sort of speculation abounded. It didn't happen then, and it isn't going to happen now.

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Feb 28, 2017 09:27:16   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
reconreb wrote:
What do you mean " WE " ?? WE already did by electing President Trump , that's why you whine like a child and sprinkle your panties over every word Trump lays on you . Seems the Demo's elected another Obama clown for DNC chairman ,, outstanding ,, 2018 is looking better and better for Repub's .. You clowns are a gift ..


"You clowns are a gift .."
" that's why you whine like a child and sprinkle your panties over every word Trump lays on you."
That they are!

Whining!? The floggings will continue until the Left has as attitude adjustment.
Whining Crying Rioting
https://youtu.be/aVlHZh5dvbA

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Feb 28, 2017 10:24:21   #
zillaorange
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
1. The Kuwaiti government could pay up to $60,000 to President Donald Trump's hotel in Washington for a party on Saturday that will be an early test of Trump's promise to turn over profits from such events to the U.S. Treasury.

One of Trump's lawyers, Sheri Dillon, pledged at a Jan. 11 press conference to donate any Trump Hotel profits from foreign governments to the U.S. Treasury.
The White House and Alan Garten, the general counsel for the Trump Organization, did not return calls for comment on whether any profits from foreign government payments to the hotel have been donated. Dillon's firm declined to comment.

A watchdog group led by former ethics lawyers for the Obama and George W. Bush administrations sued Trump in federal court in January, accusing him of violating the Constitution by allowing foreign government payments to businesses he owns.

Some ethics lawyers say even if Trump turns over all of the profits from the Kuwait National Day party, he would still be in violation of the U.S. Constitution, which prohibits government officials from accepting "any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State."
They say all of the income from the event, not just profits, would need to be donated to the U.S. Treasury to avoid contravening the constitutional ban.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-hotel-idUSKBN1640LE

2. Shortly after trump talked to Xi Jinping, the head of China, a year-long court case in that country over his name as a recognized trademark was suddenly decided in his favor. This will mean millions upon millions for Trump as well as other substantial benefits. What did they talk about? What was promised?

3. Trump's refusal to release his Tax Returns. This is both very perplexing and highly suspicious. All presidents and even candidates for that office had released their returns. The tradition of doing so is not an empty gesture. Transparency of government is both a staple of and fundamental to the running of a Republic. The nation's security is also tied to what holdings a president may have in foreign countries. How or if he may profit as well as how or if he may be influenced by some foreign power is vital information for the American public.

During his campaign, Trump made a number of promises to release his returns if certain stipulations demanded by him were met. Each time these conditions were met, he still refused. He never gave a principled answer for his decision. He could have simply stated, “No, this is a matter of privacy” or a matter of whatever. But he never did. Why not?

A disclosure of his Tax Returns could help in shedding any possible links to Russia. But Trump preferred to pressure the FBI into saying there was no connection. And then he went even further. He told the Chairs of Intelligence, both Republicans in the House and Senate, to call reporters and tell them this Russian connection was a non-story. Both admitted their duplicity. And both Committees were at the start of an investigation into these allegations of a Trump/Russia connection; no conclusions reached. So at least three things are very wrong here. One, these Chairs are supposed to act independently of the Executive branch; they are not to be under its direction, jurisdiction, or influence—yet they obeyed Trump's command unethically, immorally, and possibly criminally to undermine their own investigation. Two, evidence was still in the early stages of being accumulated and analyzed so to declare a conclusion without all the facts by these two puppets was an egregious wrong. Three, Trump's action was a peek at how a Banana-Republic acts.

4. Not divesting himself into a Blind Trust. This is outrageous and any sane person would agree. Defending this action is akin to sedition. The reason for the refusal is obviously craven. Trump wants to make more money off of his presidency. Now we enter substantial cause for impeachmment.

Foreign interference in the American political system was among the gravest dangers feared by the Founders of our nation and the framers of our Constitution.  The United States was a new government, and one that was vulnerable to manipulation by the great and wealthy world powers (which then, as now, included Russia).  One common tactic that foreign sovereigns, and their agents, used to influence our officials was to give them gifts, money, and other things of value.  In response to this practice, and the self-evident threat it represents, the framers included in the Constitution the Emoluments Clause of Article I, Section 9.  It prohibits any “Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under [the United States]” from accepting “any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”  Only explicit congressional consent validates such exchanges.

While much has changed since 1789, certain premises of politics and human nature have held steady.  One of those truths is that private financial interests can subtly sway even the most virtuous leaders.  As careful students of history, the Framers were painfully aware that entanglements between American officials and foreign powers could pose a creeping, insidious risk to the Republic.  The Emoluments Clause was forged of their hard-won wisdom.  It is no relic of a bygone era, but rather an expression of insight into the nature of the human condition and the preconditions of self-governance.
Now in 2016, when there is overwhelming evidence that a foreign power has indeed meddled in our political system, adherence to the strict prohibition on foreign government presents and emoluments “of any kind whatever” is even more important for our national security and independence.

Never in American history has a president-elect presented more conflict of interest questions and foreign entanglements than Donald Trump. Given the vast and global scope of Trump’s business interests, many of which remain shrouded in secrecy, we cannot predict the full gamut of legal and constitutional challenges that lie ahead.  But one violation, of constitutional magnitude, will run from the instant that Mr. Trump swears he will “faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” While holding office, Mr. Trump will receive—by virtue of his continued interest in the Trump Organization and his stake in hundreds of other entities—a steady stream of monetary and other benefits from foreign powers and their agents.
https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-emoluments-clause-its-text-meaning-and-application-to-donald-j-trump/

On Monday morning, a liberal watchdog group filed a lawsuit against President Trump, alleging he’d violated a previously obscure provision in the Constitution, the “Emoluments Clause.”
The watchdog group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, said that the clause prohibits Trump-owned businesses from accepting payments from foreign governments.
They asked a court to stop Trump’s businesses from taking them now.

“This cannot be allowed,” the group wrote in its legal complaint.

What, exactly, is the Emoluments Clause?

It is 49 words in Article I of the Constitution.

“No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”

In this instance, the words that matter most are the ones we have placed in italics.

According to legal scholars, these words were added out of a concern from the 1700s that American ambassadors, on the far side of the ocean, might be corrupted by gifts from rich European powers.
Benjamin Franklin, for instance, had accepted a snuffbox festooned with 408 diamonds from the King of France. John Jay accepted a horse from the King of Spain.
After that, the Emoluments Clause rarely came up again. It’s never been the subject of a major court case and never been taken up by the Supreme Court, leaving great uncertainty about what it means — and to whom, exactly, it applies — in the 21st century.
Is President Trump violating the Emoluments Clause?

That’s uncertain.

The group that filed Monday’s lawsuit — whose attorneys include prominent ethics lawyers from the Barack Obama and George W. Bush White Houses — says Trump is in violation.
Their logic is that the clause prohibits Trump from taking any money at all from a foreign state. To them, the clause prohibits not just straight-up gifts but also payments for services rendered. So it would prohibit a Trump-owned hotel from renting a ballroom to a foreign embassy and prohibit Trump Tower from renting out office space — as it already does — to a state-controlled Chinese bank.
In their complaint, they ask a federal judge to stop Trump’s businesses from taking those payments.
“A federal officeholder who receives something of value from a foreign power can be imperceptibly induced to compromise what the Constitution insists be his or her exclusive loyalty: the best interest of the United States of America,” the group wrote in its legal filing.

Trump and his attorneys have rejected that idea.

Although Trump has promised to relinquish management of his companies to his two oldest sons and top executives, he will continue to own the businesses.
His attorney said Trump will avoid running afoul of the Constitution because his businesses will not be accepting gifts from foreign countries, rather they’ll be accepting payments, for services rendered.
“Paying for a hotel room is not a gift or a present,” attorney Sheri Dillon said at a news conference before his inauguration.

Dillon also sought to address a secondary concern — that foreign governments might turn those payments into gifts, by wildly overpaying Trump for a ballroom or a round of golf.
Dillon said that Trump would turn over “profits” from foreign governments at his hotels to the U.S. treasury. It is unclear, however, exactly how Trump’s businesses would calculate that, because the Trump Organization hasn’t provided any details on how such payments would be tracked, collected and dispersed.
Is that enough?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/what-is-the-emoluments-clause-does-it-apply-to-president-trump/2017/01/23/12aa7808-e185-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.82f9958ff664
1. The Kuwaiti government could pay up to $60,000 ... (show quote)


SIMPLE< NO GROUNDS FOR IMPEACHMENT !!! KEEP HOLDING YOUR BREATH !!!

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Feb 28, 2017 10:26:02   #
zillaorange
 
vernon wrote:
Quite interesting pile of horse shot.The demorat house members can try for impeachment all they have to do is bring it to the floor where it will get shoved up their arse,and they will look like even bigger fools.



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Feb 28, 2017 10:27:55   #
zillaorange
 
vernon wrote:
Quite interesting pile of horse shot.The demorat house members can try for impeachment all they have to do is bring it to the floor where it will get shoved up their arse,and they will look like even bigger fools.


as if dubya & obummer are someone to rely on ! LMAO !!!

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Feb 28, 2017 11:24:41   #
HedgeHog
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"You clowns are a gift .."
" that's why you whine like a child and sprinkle your panties over every word Trump lays on you."
That they are!

Whining!? The floggings will continue until the Left has as attitude adjustment.
Whining Crying Rioting
https://youtu.be/aVlHZh5dvbA


The Leftist/Liberals are hurting, ee. They are on the wrong side, and I think they may be understanding that now.

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Feb 28, 2017 11:55:27   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
HedgeHog wrote:
The Leftist/Liberals are hurting, ee. They are on the wrong side, and I think they may be understanding that now.


Misery loves company.
They wont give up; but their numbers are diminishing, in spite of the Soros funding.

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Feb 28, 2017 12:00:09   #
Big Bass
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
1. The Kuwaiti government could pay up to $60,000 to President Donald Trump's hotel in Washington for a party on Saturday that will be an early test of Trump's promise to turn over profits from such events to the U.S. Treasury.

One of Trump's lawyers, Sheri Dillon, pledged at a Jan. 11 press conference to donate any Trump Hotel profits from foreign governments to the U.S. Treasury.
The White House and Alan Garten, the general counsel for the Trump Organization, did not return calls for comment on whether any profits from foreign government payments to the hotel have been donated. Dillon's firm declined to comment.

A watchdog group led by former ethics lawyers for the Obama and George W. Bush administrations sued Trump in federal court in January, accusing him of violating the Constitution by allowing foreign government payments to businesses he owns.

Some ethics lawyers say even if Trump turns over all of the profits from the Kuwait National Day party, he would still be in violation of the U.S. Constitution, which prohibits government officials from accepting "any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State."
They say all of the income from the event, not just profits, would need to be donated to the U.S. Treasury to avoid contravening the constitutional ban.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-hotel-idUSKBN1640LE

2. Shortly after trump talked to Xi Jinping, the head of China, a year-long court case in that country over his name as a recognized trademark was suddenly decided in his favor. This will mean millions upon millions for Trump as well as other substantial benefits. What did they talk about? What was promised?

3. Trump's refusal to release his Tax Returns. This is both very perplexing and highly suspicious. All presidents and even candidates for that office had released their returns. The tradition of doing so is not an empty gesture. Transparency of government is both a staple of and fundamental to the running of a Republic. The nation's security is also tied to what holdings a president may have in foreign countries. How or if he may profit as well as how or if he may be influenced by some foreign power is vital information for the American public.

During his campaign, Trump made a number of promises to release his returns if certain stipulations demanded by him were met. Each time these conditions were met, he still refused. He never gave a principled answer for his decision. He could have simply stated, “No, this is a matter of privacy” or a matter of whatever. But he never did. Why not?

A disclosure of his Tax Returns could help in shedding any possible links to Russia. But Trump preferred to pressure the FBI into saying there was no connection. And then he went even further. He told the Chairs of Intelligence, both Republicans in the House and Senate, to call reporters and tell them this Russian connection was a non-story. Both admitted their duplicity. And both Committees were at the start of an investigation into these allegations of a Trump/Russia connection; no conclusions reached. So at least three things are very wrong here. One, these Chairs are supposed to act independently of the Executive branch; they are not to be under its direction, jurisdiction, or influence—yet they obeyed Trump's command unethically, immorally, and possibly criminally to undermine their own investigation. Two, evidence was still in the early stages of being accumulated and analyzed so to declare a conclusion without all the facts by these two puppets was an egregious wrong. Three, Trump's action was a peek at how a Banana-Republic acts.

4. Not divesting himself into a Blind Trust. This is outrageous and any sane person would agree. Defending this action is akin to sedition. The reason for the refusal is obviously craven. Trump wants to make more money off of his presidency. Now we enter substantial cause for impeachmment.

Foreign interference in the American political system was among the gravest dangers feared by the Founders of our nation and the framers of our Constitution.  The United States was a new government, and one that was vulnerable to manipulation by the great and wealthy world powers (which then, as now, included Russia).  One common tactic that foreign sovereigns, and their agents, used to influence our officials was to give them gifts, money, and other things of value.  In response to this practice, and the self-evident threat it represents, the framers included in the Constitution the Emoluments Clause of Article I, Section 9.  It prohibits any “Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under [the United States]” from accepting “any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”  Only explicit congressional consent validates such exchanges.

While much has changed since 1789, certain premises of politics and human nature have held steady.  One of those truths is that private financial interests can subtly sway even the most virtuous leaders.  As careful students of history, the Framers were painfully aware that entanglements between American officials and foreign powers could pose a creeping, insidious risk to the Republic.  The Emoluments Clause was forged of their hard-won wisdom.  It is no relic of a bygone era, but rather an expression of insight into the nature of the human condition and the preconditions of self-governance.
Now in 2016, when there is overwhelming evidence that a foreign power has indeed meddled in our political system, adherence to the strict prohibition on foreign government presents and emoluments “of any kind whatever” is even more important for our national security and independence.

Never in American history has a president-elect presented more conflict of interest questions and foreign entanglements than Donald Trump. Given the vast and global scope of Trump’s business interests, many of which remain shrouded in secrecy, we cannot predict the full gamut of legal and constitutional challenges that lie ahead.  But one violation, of constitutional magnitude, will run from the instant that Mr. Trump swears he will “faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” While holding office, Mr. Trump will receive—by virtue of his continued interest in the Trump Organization and his stake in hundreds of other entities—a steady stream of monetary and other benefits from foreign powers and their agents.
https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-emoluments-clause-its-text-meaning-and-application-to-donald-j-trump/

On Monday morning, a liberal watchdog group filed a lawsuit against President Trump, alleging he’d violated a previously obscure provision in the Constitution, the “Emoluments Clause.”
The watchdog group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, said that the clause prohibits Trump-owned businesses from accepting payments from foreign governments.
They asked a court to stop Trump’s businesses from taking them now.

“This cannot be allowed,” the group wrote in its legal complaint.

What, exactly, is the Emoluments Clause?

It is 49 words in Article I of the Constitution.

“No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”

In this instance, the words that matter most are the ones we have placed in italics.

According to legal scholars, these words were added out of a concern from the 1700s that American ambassadors, on the far side of the ocean, might be corrupted by gifts from rich European powers.
Benjamin Franklin, for instance, had accepted a snuffbox festooned with 408 diamonds from the King of France. John Jay accepted a horse from the King of Spain.
After that, the Emoluments Clause rarely came up again. It’s never been the subject of a major court case and never been taken up by the Supreme Court, leaving great uncertainty about what it means — and to whom, exactly, it applies — in the 21st century.
Is President Trump violating the Emoluments Clause?

That’s uncertain.

The group that filed Monday’s lawsuit — whose attorneys include prominent ethics lawyers from the Barack Obama and George W. Bush White Houses — says Trump is in violation.
Their logic is that the clause prohibits Trump from taking any money at all from a foreign state. To them, the clause prohibits not just straight-up gifts but also payments for services rendered. So it would prohibit a Trump-owned hotel from renting a ballroom to a foreign embassy and prohibit Trump Tower from renting out office space — as it already does — to a state-controlled Chinese bank.
In their complaint, they ask a federal judge to stop Trump’s businesses from taking those payments.
“A federal officeholder who receives something of value from a foreign power can be imperceptibly induced to compromise what the Constitution insists be his or her exclusive loyalty: the best interest of the United States of America,” the group wrote in its legal filing.

Trump and his attorneys have rejected that idea.

Although Trump has promised to relinquish management of his companies to his two oldest sons and top executives, he will continue to own the businesses.
His attorney said Trump will avoid running afoul of the Constitution because his businesses will not be accepting gifts from foreign countries, rather they’ll be accepting payments, for services rendered.
“Paying for a hotel room is not a gift or a present,” attorney Sheri Dillon said at a news conference before his inauguration.

Dillon also sought to address a secondary concern — that foreign governments might turn those payments into gifts, by wildly overpaying Trump for a ballroom or a round of golf.
Dillon said that Trump would turn over “profits” from foreign governments at his hotels to the U.S. treasury. It is unclear, however, exactly how Trump’s businesses would calculate that, because the Trump Organization hasn’t provided any details on how such payments would be tracked, collected and dispersed.
Is that enough?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/what-is-the-emoluments-clause-does-it-apply-to-president-trump/2017/01/23/12aa7808-e185-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.82f9958ff664
1. The Kuwaiti government could pay up to $60,000 ... (show quote)


Do you really think, pee one, that if someone wakes up one morning and thinks, "Donald Trump should be impeached, today." that he should be impeached? You are probably a liberal.



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Feb 28, 2017 12:02:10   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
1. The Kuwaiti government could pay up to $60,000 to President Donald Trump's hotel in Washington for a party on Saturday that will be an early test of Trump's promise to turn over profits from such events to the U.S. Treasury.

One of Trump's lawyers, Sheri Dillon, pledged at a Jan. 11 press conference to donate any Trump Hotel profits from foreign governments to the U.S. Treasury.
The White House and Alan Garten, the general counsel for the Trump Organization, did not return calls for comment on whether any profits from foreign government payments to the hotel have been donated. Dillon's firm declined to comment.

A watchdog group led by former ethics lawyers for the Obama and George W. Bush administrations sued Trump in federal court in January, accusing him of violating the Constitution by allowing foreign government payments to businesses he owns.

Some ethics lawyers say even if Trump turns over all of the profits from the Kuwait National Day party, he would still be in violation of the U.S. Constitution, which prohibits government officials from accepting "any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State."
They say all of the income from the event, not just profits, would need to be donated to the U.S. Treasury to avoid contravening the constitutional ban.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-hotel-idUSKBN1640LE

2. Shortly after trump talked to Xi Jinping, the head of China, a year-long court case in that country over his name as a recognized trademark was suddenly decided in his favor. This will mean millions upon millions for Trump as well as other substantial benefits. What did they talk about? What was promised?

3. Trump's refusal to release his Tax Returns. This is both very perplexing and highly suspicious. All presidents and even candidates for that office had released their returns. The tradition of doing so is not an empty gesture. Transparency of government is both a staple of and fundamental to the running of a Republic. The nation's security is also tied to what holdings a president may have in foreign countries. How or if he may profit as well as how or if he may be influenced by some foreign power is vital information for the American public.

During his campaign, Trump made a number of promises to release his returns if certain stipulations demanded by him were met. Each time these conditions were met, he still refused. He never gave a principled answer for his decision. He could have simply stated, “No, this is a matter of privacy” or a matter of whatever. But he never did. Why not?

A disclosure of his Tax Returns could help in shedding any possible links to Russia. But Trump preferred to pressure the FBI into saying there was no connection. And then he went even further. He told the Chairs of Intelligence, both Republicans in the House and Senate, to call reporters and tell them this Russian connection was a non-story. Both admitted their duplicity. And both Committees were at the start of an investigation into these allegations of a Trump/Russia connection; no conclusions reached. So at least three things are very wrong here. One, these Chairs are supposed to act independently of the Executive branch; they are not to be under its direction, jurisdiction, or influence—yet they obeyed Trump's command unethically, immorally, and possibly criminally to undermine their own investigation. Two, evidence was still in the early stages of being accumulated and analyzed so to declare a conclusion without all the facts by these two puppets was an egregious wrong. Three, Trump's action was a peek at how a Banana-Republic acts.

4. Not divesting himself into a Blind Trust. This is outrageous and any sane person would agree. Defending this action is akin to sedition. The reason for the refusal is obviously craven. Trump wants to make more money off of his presidency. Now we enter substantial cause for impeachmment.

Foreign interference in the American political system was among the gravest dangers feared by the Founders of our nation and the framers of our Constitution.  The United States was a new government, and one that was vulnerable to manipulation by the great and wealthy world powers (which then, as now, included Russia).  One common tactic that foreign sovereigns, and their agents, used to influence our officials was to give them gifts, money, and other things of value.  In response to this practice, and the self-evident threat it represents, the framers included in the Constitution the Emoluments Clause of Article I, Section 9.  It prohibits any “Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under [the United States]” from accepting “any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”  Only explicit congressional consent validates such exchanges.

While much has changed since 1789, certain premises of politics and human nature have held steady.  One of those truths is that private financial interests can subtly sway even the most virtuous leaders.  As careful students of history, the Framers were painfully aware that entanglements between American officials and foreign powers could pose a creeping, insidious risk to the Republic.  The Emoluments Clause was forged of their hard-won wisdom.  It is no relic of a bygone era, but rather an expression of insight into the nature of the human condition and the preconditions of self-governance.
Now in 2016, when there is overwhelming evidence that a foreign power has indeed meddled in our political system, adherence to the strict prohibition on foreign government presents and emoluments “of any kind whatever” is even more important for our national security and independence.

Never in American history has a president-elect presented more conflict of interest questions and foreign entanglements than Donald Trump. Given the vast and global scope of Trump’s business interests, many of which remain shrouded in secrecy, we cannot predict the full gamut of legal and constitutional challenges that lie ahead.  But one violation, of constitutional magnitude, will run from the instant that Mr. Trump swears he will “faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” While holding office, Mr. Trump will receive—by virtue of his continued interest in the Trump Organization and his stake in hundreds of other entities—a steady stream of monetary and other benefits from foreign powers and their agents.
https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-emoluments-clause-its-text-meaning-and-application-to-donald-j-trump/

On Monday morning, a liberal watchdog group filed a lawsuit against President Trump, alleging he’d violated a previously obscure provision in the Constitution, the “Emoluments Clause.”
The watchdog group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, said that the clause prohibits Trump-owned businesses from accepting payments from foreign governments.
They asked a court to stop Trump’s businesses from taking them now.

“This cannot be allowed,” the group wrote in its legal complaint.

What, exactly, is the Emoluments Clause?

It is 49 words in Article I of the Constitution.

“No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”

In this instance, the words that matter most are the ones we have placed in italics.

According to legal scholars, these words were added out of a concern from the 1700s that American ambassadors, on the far side of the ocean, might be corrupted by gifts from rich European powers.
Benjamin Franklin, for instance, had accepted a snuffbox festooned with 408 diamonds from the King of France. John Jay accepted a horse from the King of Spain.
After that, the Emoluments Clause rarely came up again. It’s never been the subject of a major court case and never been taken up by the Supreme Court, leaving great uncertainty about what it means — and to whom, exactly, it applies — in the 21st century.
Is President Trump violating the Emoluments Clause?

That’s uncertain.

The group that filed Monday’s lawsuit — whose attorneys include prominent ethics lawyers from the Barack Obama and George W. Bush White Houses — says Trump is in violation.
Their logic is that the clause prohibits Trump from taking any money at all from a foreign state. To them, the clause prohibits not just straight-up gifts but also payments for services rendered. So it would prohibit a Trump-owned hotel from renting a ballroom to a foreign embassy and prohibit Trump Tower from renting out office space — as it already does — to a state-controlled Chinese bank.
In their complaint, they ask a federal judge to stop Trump’s businesses from taking those payments.
“A federal officeholder who receives something of value from a foreign power can be imperceptibly induced to compromise what the Constitution insists be his or her exclusive loyalty: the best interest of the United States of America,” the group wrote in its legal filing.

Trump and his attorneys have rejected that idea.

Although Trump has promised to relinquish management of his companies to his two oldest sons and top executives, he will continue to own the businesses.
His attorney said Trump will avoid running afoul of the Constitution because his businesses will not be accepting gifts from foreign countries, rather they’ll be accepting payments, for services rendered.
“Paying for a hotel room is not a gift or a present,” attorney Sheri Dillon said at a news conference before his inauguration.

Dillon also sought to address a secondary concern — that foreign governments might turn those payments into gifts, by wildly overpaying Trump for a ballroom or a round of golf.
Dillon said that Trump would turn over “profits” from foreign governments at his hotels to the U.S. treasury. It is unclear, however, exactly how Trump’s businesses would calculate that, because the Trump Organization hasn’t provided any details on how such payments would be tracked, collected and dispersed.
Is that enough?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/what-is-the-emoluments-clause-does-it-apply-to-president-trump/2017/01/23/12aa7808-e185-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.82f9958ff664
1. The Kuwaiti government could pay up to $60,000 ... (show quote)


DD-make a mental note to pose the impeachment question again in 2025 once Pence has taken the reins from Trump. Meanwhile, lick your wounds and try to retain a modicum of sanity. I know that is asking a lot of you left wingers but you can at least try. While you are at it, you might want to attempt to rescue the once respected democrat party from the progressive left wing party. Failure to do so will result in the PLWP phasing out the Dems.
Perez and Ellison may not be the answer !! America First !!!

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Feb 28, 2017 12:02:40   #
HedgeHog
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Misery loves company.
They wont give up; but their numbers are diminishing, in spite of the Soros funding.


Maybe you're right. Those on the Left who still believe in America, may be quieting; those who want a one-world government are the ones keeping it going.

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Apr 2, 2017 14:51:55   #
smithdw55 Loc: Texas
 
Dr. Dross, the whole premise of UR comments is "Why is Trump's Impeachment taking so long?". The answer is quite simple. Trump hasn't done anything that is Impeachment worthy.

If he has I'd be happy to be enlightened. But please provide facts, not theories, rumor, innuendo as the basis for UR argument. Additionally, please don't sight articles, opinions, studies or theories from LSM, be they electronic or paper that have proven themselves to be anti-Trump. They have little or NO credibility to any intelligent person interested in discussing this ridiculous question.

Just provide facts. It's not difficult if U have them. If U don't then I'd suggest U keep UR ignorant comments and slanderous BS opinions to Urself. We all know that old saying. Remember to "Assume = Makes an ASS of U & ME".

Really isn't that hard. Basic criminal investigation 101, just answer these 5 interrogatives with facts. Who, What, Where, When and Why of the impeachment crime. Basic interview/interrogation questions that need answering to successfully bring any crime to a court for adjudication. I doubt seriously that U have that, nor do any of the Progressive Liberal Dems that still have their panties on fire because they lost the 2016 Presidential Election, when U all knew that Hillary was a "shoe-in" all but coronated by the powers that be. Whoops along came Trump! So in the absence of being able to win a fair election, they have gone to attempting to delay and defeat every action he has taken to date. Which by the way amounts to more than Obammy did in all 8 of his yrs in office.

So grow up put on UR big boy pants and do some true independent research and investigation on UR issue, but if U can't find the facts needed, don't make em up or opine what U think is going on or could go on based on innuendo, speculation or rumor mill. Have fun now young man.

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Apr 2, 2017 15:23:31   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
smithdw55 wrote:
Dr. Dross, the whole premise of UR comments is "Why is Trump's Impeachment taking so long?". The answer is quite simple. Trump hasn't done anything that is Impeachment worthy.

If he has I'd be happy to be enlightened. But please provide facts, not theories, rumor, innuendo as the basis for UR argument. Additionally, please don't sight articles, opinions, studies or theories from LSM, be they electronic or paper that have proven themselves to be anti-Trump. They have little or NO credibility to any intelligent person interested in discussing this ridiculous question.

Just provide facts. It's not difficult if U have them. If U don't then I'd suggest U keep UR ignorant comments and slanderous BS opinions to Urself. We all know that old saying. Remember to "Assume = Makes an ASS of U & ME".

Really isn't that hard. Basic criminal investigation 101, just answer these 5 interrogatives with facts. Who, What, Where, When and Why of the impeachment crime. Basic interview/interrogation questions that need answering to successfully bring any crime to a court for adjudication. I doubt seriously that U have that, nor do any of the Progressive Liberal Dems that still have their panties on fire because they lost the 2016 Presidential Election, when U all knew that Hillary was a "shoe-in" all but coronated by the powers that be. Whoops along came Trump! So in the absence of being able to win a fair election, they have gone to attempting to delay and defeat every action he has taken to date. Which by the way amounts to more than Obammy did in all 8 of his yrs in office.

So grow up put on UR big boy pants and do some true independent research and investigation on UR issue, but if U can't find the facts needed, don't make em up or opine what U think is going on or could go on based on innuendo, speculation or rumor mill. Have fun now young man.
Dr. Dross, the whole premise of UR comments is &qu... (show quote)


A better question is; how long will it be until the Clinton family is indicted for so many crimes?
does the "Justice" Department have to be cleaned out first?

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Apr 5, 2017 01:49:51   #
Steve700
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
1. The Kuwaiti government could pay up to $60,000 to President Donald Trump's hotel in Washington for a party on Saturday that will be an early test of Trump's promise to turn over profits from such events to the U.S. Treasury.

One of Trump's lawyers, Sheri Dillon, pledged at a Jan. 11 press conference to donate any Trump Hotel profits from foreign governments to the U.S. Treasury.
The White House and Alan Garten, the general counsel for the Trump Organization, did not return calls for comment on whether any profits from foreign government payments to the hotel have been donated. Dillon's firm declined to comment.

A watchdog group led by former ethics lawyers for the Obama and George W. Bush administrations sued Trump in federal court in January, accusing him of violating the Constitution by allowing foreign government payments to businesses he owns.

Some ethics lawyers say even if Trump turns over all of the profits from the Kuwait National Day party, he would still be in violation of the U.S. Constitution, which prohibits government officials from accepting "any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State."
They say all of the income from the event, not just profits, would need to be donated to the U.S. Treasury to avoid contravening the constitutional ban.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-hotel-idUSKBN1640LE

2. Shortly after trump talked to Xi Jinping, the head of China, a year-long court case in that country over his name as a recognized trademark was suddenly decided in his favor. This will mean millions upon millions for Trump as well as other substantial benefits. What did they talk about? What was promised?

3. Trump's refusal to release his Tax Returns. This is both very perplexing and highly suspicious. All presidents and even candidates for that office had released their returns. The tradition of doing so is not an empty gesture. Transparency of government is both a staple of and fundamental to the running of a Republic. The nation's security is also tied to what holdings a president may have in foreign countries. How or if he may profit as well as how or if he may be influenced by some foreign power is vital information for the American public.

During his campaign, Trump made a number of promises to release his returns if certain stipulations demanded by him were met. Each time these conditions were met, he still refused. He never gave a principled answer for his decision. He could have simply stated, “No, this is a matter of privacy” or a matter of whatever. But he never did. Why not?

A disclosure of his Tax Returns could help in shedding any possible links to Russia. But Trump preferred to pressure the FBI into saying there was no connection. And then he went even further. He told the Chairs of Intelligence, both Republicans in the House and Senate, to call reporters and tell them this Russian connection was a non-story. Both admitted their duplicity. And both Committees were at the start of an investigation into these allegations of a Trump/Russia connection; no conclusions reached. So at least three things are very wrong here. One, these Chairs are supposed to act independently of the Executive branch; they are not to be under its direction, jurisdiction, or influence—yet they obeyed Trump's command unethically, immorally, and possibly criminally to undermine their own investigation. Two, evidence was still in the early stages of being accumulated and analyzed so to declare a conclusion without all the facts by these two puppets was an egregious wrong. Three, Trump's action was a peek at how a Banana-Republic acts.

4. Not divesting himself into a Blind Trust. This is outrageous and any sane person would agree. Defending this action is akin to sedition. The reason for the refusal is obviously craven. Trump wants to make more money off of his presidency. Now we enter substantial cause for impeachmment.

Foreign interference in the American political system was among the gravest dangers feared by the Founders of our nation and the framers of our Constitution.  The United States was a new government, and one that was vulnerable to manipulation by the great and wealthy world powers (which then, as now, included Russia).  One common tactic that foreign sovereigns, and their agents, used to influence our officials was to give them gifts, money, and other things of value.  In response to this practice, and the self-evident threat it represents, the framers included in the Constitution the Emoluments Clause of Article I, Section 9.  It prohibits any “Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under [the United States]” from accepting “any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”  Only explicit congressional consent validates such exchanges.

While much has changed since 1789, certain premises of politics and human nature have held steady.  One of those truths is that private financial interests can subtly sway even the most virtuous leaders.  As careful students of history, the Framers were painfully aware that entanglements between American officials and foreign powers could pose a creeping, insidious risk to the Republic.  The Emoluments Clause was forged of their hard-won wisdom.  It is no relic of a bygone era, but rather an expression of insight into the nature of the human condition and the preconditions of self-governance.
Now in 2016, when there is overwhelming evidence that a foreign power has indeed meddled in our political system, adherence to the strict prohibition on foreign government presents and emoluments “of any kind whatever” is even more important for our national security and independence.

Never in American history has a president-elect presented more conflict of interest questions and foreign entanglements than Donald Trump. Given the vast and global scope of Trump’s business interests, many of which remain shrouded in secrecy, we cannot predict the full gamut of legal and constitutional challenges that lie ahead.  But one violation, of constitutional magnitude, will run from the instant that Mr. Trump swears he will “faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” While holding office, Mr. Trump will receive—by virtue of his continued interest in the Trump Organization and his stake in hundreds of other entities—a steady stream of monetary and other benefits from foreign powers and their agents.
https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-emoluments-clause-its-text-meaning-and-application-to-donald-j-trump/

On Monday morning, a liberal watchdog group filed a lawsuit against President Trump, alleging he’d violated a previously obscure provision in the Constitution, the “Emoluments Clause.”
The watchdog group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, said that the clause prohibits Trump-owned businesses from accepting payments from foreign governments.
They asked a court to stop Trump’s businesses from taking them now.

“This cannot be allowed,” the group wrote in its legal complaint.

What, exactly, is the Emoluments Clause?

It is 49 words in Article I of the Constitution.

“No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”

In this instance, the words that matter most are the ones we have placed in italics.

According to legal scholars, these words were added out of a concern from the 1700s that American ambassadors, on the far side of the ocean, might be corrupted by gifts from rich European powers.
Benjamin Franklin, for instance, had accepted a snuffbox festooned with 408 diamonds from the King of France. John Jay accepted a horse from the King of Spain.
After that, the Emoluments Clause rarely came up again. It’s never been the subject of a major court case and never been taken up by the Supreme Court, leaving great uncertainty about what it means — and to whom, exactly, it applies — in the 21st century.
Is President Trump violating the Emoluments Clause?

That’s uncertain.

The group that filed Monday’s lawsuit — whose attorneys include prominent ethics lawyers from the Barack Obama and George W. Bush White Houses — says Trump is in violation.
Their logic is that the clause prohibits Trump from taking any money at all from a foreign state. To them, the clause prohibits not just straight-up gifts but also payments for services rendered. So it would prohibit a Trump-owned hotel from renting a ballroom to a foreign embassy and prohibit Trump Tower from renting out office space — as it already does — to a state-controlled Chinese bank.
In their complaint, they ask a federal judge to stop Trump’s businesses from taking those payments.
“A federal officeholder who receives something of value from a foreign power can be imperceptibly induced to compromise what the Constitution insists be his or her exclusive loyalty: the best interest of the United States of America,” the group wrote in its legal filing.

Trump and his attorneys have rejected that idea.

Although Trump has promised to relinquish management of his companies to his two oldest sons and top executives, he will continue to own the businesses.
His attorney said Trump will avoid running afoul of the Constitution because his businesses will not be accepting gifts from foreign countries, rather they’ll be accepting payments, for services rendered.
“Paying for a hotel room is not a gift or a present,” attorney Sheri Dillon said at a news conference before his inauguration.

Dillon also sought to address a secondary concern — that foreign governments might turn those payments into gifts, by wildly overpaying Trump for a ballroom or a round of golf.
Dillon said that Trump would turn over “profits” from foreign governments at his hotels to the U.S. treasury. It is unclear, however, exactly how Trump’s businesses would calculate that, because the Trump Organization hasn’t provided any details on how such payments would be tracked, collected and dispersed.
Is that enough?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/what-is-the-emoluments-clause-does-it-apply-to-president-trump/2017/01/23/12aa7808-e1 85-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.82f9958ff664
1. The Kuwaiti government could pay up to $60,000 ... (show quote)

Are you demonstrating that your a libtard moron or just a Crackpot? --- Did you ever wonder why Obama wasn't impeached for his traitorous acts such as illegally trading that deserter/defector/traitorous Sgt. Burgdahl to release the five most savage terrorist commanders of jihad that Gitmo had to offer ??? Obviously we should have wanted him back for no other reason than to court-martial him. That was very obviously a traitorous act and done illegally without the required permission from Congress. Did that bother you? And what is your problem with Trump? Why are you happy that for one and our lifetimes we finally got a president who is fulfilling his campaign promises and doing so at lightning speed? I guess you would rather have a corrupt scumbag traitor like Hillary who trades her influence and America's favor for her own personal gain.

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Apr 6, 2017 08:29:59   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
Okay, Mr. Constitution, explain why not? Just claiming all my sources that include Constitutional lawyers that say otherwise are wrong, correct them and save them time and energy.


How long will it be until Obama's advisor, Susan Rice is brought to testify in front of Congress, under oath?

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