Tasine Loc: Southwest US

I am proposing a sit down meeting of those on the political right and those on the political left to solve the problems of this nation. We don't have to rely on courts or Congress or states or the President. What we DO have to do is agree on some things and agree to disagree on other WITHOUT ANIMOSITY.

We must address any issue that anyone wants addressed, and once we do that, we must all agree to sign said petition that we write together to be sent to every governor, every state legislator, every federal congressman, the US President, every member of SCOTUS, and all state and federal judges. If that doesn't get some things changed, then we utilize Common Law to effect some changes.

I have listed some areas of discord. Some of you will agree, some will disagree. We will note EVERY comment and will do so in a business like manner

Something to work with.
1. Our worst problem is that our citizens are very divided on what is happening. How do we address that?
2. We have two very strong political views, opposite ends of the pole. To "compromise" means BOTH will give in on some things. In the past this has NEVER, NOT ONCE in my lifetime of 75 years been how "compromise" worked out. It ALWAYS worked out that the Republicans tried to get their ideas heard and ALWAYS caved in to the Democrats. How do we address that?
3. Can we agree that our two major political parties who run everything are poisoned and corrupted beyond the pale? If we cannot agree on this, then we cannot save our nation.
4. Can the conservatives in this country give in to abandon our Constitution? Can the progressives in this country learn to honor it and abide by it? In both cases, I tend to think not. I hope I am wrong about the Progressives. I can assure you the conservatives will NEVER agree to abandon the Constitution - it isn't perfect, but it is as close to perfection as we will ever see provided in today's world.
5. What constitutes decent citizenship? Let's all lay it out on the table, discuss it and decide if we even agree on what makes a good citizen.
6. What about Welfare do we agree on and what do we disagree on? Can we come closer together?
7. Race. I can't believe this has once again become a factor in American politics. I had thought it was a dead issue until Obama took office and now we see blacks ignored when they beat up people, and whites jailed for doing the exact same thing. Does anyone see this as equality under the law? I'm totally in favor of equality in everything provided by government.......is there a liberal living who can say, and mean, the same thing? I doubt it, but I hope I am wrong.
8. States rights and responsibilities. Where does the left stand on this issue? Conservatives are strong about it. It goes hand in hand with Big nanny government. So what should we do about this?
9. Nanny government seems to be cherished by the left and hated by the right. I am on the right and I despise big government for several reasons which I will be happy to list should you be interested. For now I will say I will never be content to live with big government primarily because it is unconstitutional, but also because it is horribly incompetent and oppressive. What do we do about this?
10. Many, many Americans live by principle, vote by principle. Many, many Americans don't live or vote by principle, but by what they LIKE or WANT. This gets in the way of "compromise" because principles should NOT be infringed.
11. Another conflict is what constitutes personal rights and what constitutes the "right to life"? I.e., abortion on demand. This boils down to a person's religion, a person's rights, what constitutes a person, decency vs degradation. How do we handle this? If we DO NOT handle it and handle it correctly, we are consigning our offspring to hell.
12. There are millions of differences, but if you can contribute any questions and solutions, I'll be happy to join you.

Bottom line: if the citizens could actually come together on some of these issues, we could start telling DC what to do, hold their feet to the fire, and "get'erdone!"

Second bottom line: there will be numerous critics of this post which truly is an attempt to bring us together, not divide us. Our leaders do a good enough job of dividing us. Let's show them we are better than they are - because it is the truth.

OUR NATION, ONE NATION

vernon

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Tasine Loc: Southwest US

Thanks, Vernon. Would you help me get the word out? I'm serious about this. This wound MUST heal.

vernon

i wish i knew how to transcribe your thaughts to certain people on here

vernon

i would like for you send the link you posted to cretain peopl on here like rylan and goulcon maybe they might learn something .im talking about that white house letter,my rep used to be richard baker of la.and he talked about this for years

cold iron Loc: White House

[quote=Tasine]I am proposing a sit down meeting of those on the political right and those on the political left to solve the problems of this nation. We don't have to rely on courts or Congress or states or the President. What we DO have to do is agree on some things and agree to disagree on other WITHOUT ANIMOSITY.

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Well, I say good luck my friend . I am on the old side of life and for most it I have tried this with zero luck. It will be easier to change the stripes on a zebra. I have come to understand most of the democrats will vote for the Devil if he is a registered Democrat and runs for any office.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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I understand your consternation. The political left and the political right seem as far apart as Pluto is from the earth, but we DO, we MUST come to a point of peace on at least some things if we are to exist side by side, don't you think?

On the "old side of life"? I just turned 75, so I'm not on the "young side of life" either! I still hope you will give this a whirl.

MrEd Loc: Georgia

I love your post and believe you mean everything you say. There is one problem with all this though and that is Number 4. Now what you are saying is true and I don't think that will ever change. You see, we have a problem. Some of the people love our constitution and will die to protect it and our country and way of life. Then there are those that hate it and all it does is get in the way. They will do anything and everything to kill it and they do every day. That hate it with a passion and will not even admit it is real if they can get away with that. That is the one thing they want thrown out more then anything and the one thing that is standing in their way of taking over completely. They are constantly trying to find new ways of going around it and trying to convince us that it is a living document so they can feel free to change it. The one thing they want to get rid of more then anything else, is the second amendment. That is the only thing that is standing in their way right now and more then anything they want that one gone.

Here is the major problem with anyone that says they love our constitution. MOST HAVE NOT READ IT and know nothing about what it is really about. Most will rant on about the rights of free speech, guns, religion, press, and a whole bunch of other rights they see in there. Actually, they don't see them, they are told by something else that has never read it that they are in there and they spout off about all our rights, when in fact there is no such thing in there. They can't read a simply English sentence and understand what it says. Granted it is old English, but not that hard to understand really if you try.

“In religion and politics people’s beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing.” Autobiography of Mark Twain

Most do not even know where our constitution came from or who wrote it, let alone when it was written or what it means. All they know of our founding fathers is what they hear and most of that is wrong. Most people I ask say it was written in 1776. That seems the only date that sticks in their minds.

This is the major road block for ALL that you have written, Until you get the American people to not only READ, but UNDERSTAND the constitution, all your other points are lost. Most people will not take the time to read it, let alone study it. They are more interested in watching Duck Dynasty and finding out what will happen to Big Daddy Duck then any old constitution. They don't have the time for that. If you don't believe me, just ask them. They will tell you about all the work they have to do and how busy they are and they just don't have time for something like that. They are just to busy making ends meet, but ask them what happened to Old Daddy Duck and they will tell you everything that has happened in the last week to fix those crazy socialist on A&E and how we showed them.

Now we come to the major stumbling block and what is really running our country into the poor house. At least 47% of the population is supported by the people that are working. If you even mention taking any of that away from them, they will kill you in a heart beat. You will see a revolt like you have never seen before. These people have been told all their life that they are entitled to all of this and there is nothing you or anyone else can say to change their minds. THEY WILL NOT LISTEN to you or anyone about this subject. They are right and everyone else better not even think of taking any of that away.

Now if that isn't enough, mention the Federalist Papers and most people will look at you with a blank stare. They have no idea what or who you are talking about. Try and tell them and read some of it to them and they are completely at a loss to understand what you are saying. Their minds shut down and they cannot hear you.

Why has all this happened you ask? Simple really. The federal government in their attempt to take care of us, also took our education away from us. We no longer learn anything in school about the constitution, Federalist Papers, Government, and especially our court system. They well us that THEY are the only ones to interpret the constitution and that they are the final word. Well, I hate to say this, but until you can educate the American people as to what our constitution is and what it means and who is in change of it, all the rest of this is meaningless.

“If the America People do not rise up and defend their Constitution and the intentions and beliefs under which it was adopted, who is left to do so but the very people who it was designed to control and regulate?” Johnwk

“As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and a complete narcissistic moron.”

H.L. Mencken, The Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920.

Now, if you are interested in doing any reading on the constitution and what it means, you can start here; http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/
This is also where I took my quotes from.

Have a nice day............

MrEd Loc: Georgia

If you really are interested in doing something, give this site a try; http://www.constitutionaloversightposse.org/
At least they, I think, are going in the right direction.

vernon

I JUST SIGNED UP

emarine

I have a thought, inspired by Big mikes post about who the rich are in America... The amount of tax moneys the Government spends on salaries is obscene with our economy fighting to get going this money could be put to better use... So here it is.... massive pay cuts across the board... there are 100s of 1000s of people making well over 150k... lets all join together left, right and center and cut the fat cats back until we are back on our feet again, the lower wage employees could be cut back much less depending on the amount they make,,, maybe then they would do their jobs or get out of Washington...There is nothing in our Constitution that said our elected officials had to become rich.. you might want to check mikes post about who are the rich... very interesting

MrEd Loc: Georgia

I have a thought also. How about we cut the ones to zero that are not constitutional and just get rid of them. All those departments that are needed and legal can take a cut in pay, but the ones like DOE, EPA, HLS and many others that we really don't need and are against our constitution can be sent home for good. Why do we need Homeland Security when we have the FBI? They should be the ones taking care of things like that anyway. I'll bet by the time we get done cutting that at least half of them are sent home for good. Especially the clowns at our airports groping everyone for no good reason. We got along fine without them and we will get along fine without them in the future. Strip searching an 80 year old woman in a wheelchair is not looking for terrorist anyway. That is abuse plain and simple..........

MrEd Loc: Georgia

Fantastic! They are looking for 1 million people to sign up and then we will have a say in our government. Everyone should at least read it so they can make up their own mind as to what they want to do.

It would be great if you would pass this on to the people you send e-mails to and ask them to pass it on too. Even if you do not sign up, at least pass it on. The wider we spread this out the sooner we can take some action. We can't afford to wait until some election to take matters into our own hands. This coming election is important and I am not trying to blow it off, but why should we wait for an election when we can do something now.

I see all kinds of people that want to do something. Tasine, I am not putting you down and I do not mean to trash your ideas. I am simply trying to add a little reality to your post. It's great that you want to do something and bless you for it, but we have entirely to many people wanting to do to many different things and that is killing us. We need to all gather around one idea and stick with that, get behind it and push it. This is the best idea I have seen so far and if we all get behind it and push, then things will start getting done.

If we spread the word and get it out to the people that are willing to do something, then it is possible to start doing something in weeks, instead of months or years. Electing new people to Congress is great and I agree that it needs to be done, but how can you know for sure that the new people will do what you want them to do. The only way to make sure is to push them in the right direction. You also will not replace them all and they will need to be taken care of a different way.

To get these people going in the right direction will take someone at their backs, or they will just get run over by the socialist we now have in Congress.

I took an oath when I joined the military and I still consider myself under that oath. I said I would defend and protect our constitution and I will, in any way I can. The last thing I want to see is a civil war and no matter who wins, we all loose if that is the way things have to go. Obama thinks he can win it simply because he has so many police behind him. That and the military are what he is counting on to suppress the rest of us. Hitler had the same idea and for him it worked for awhile, but you see what happened to him. Obama is stupid enough to try the same thing along with his backers and they don't care how many people they kill.

We need to take action and the sooner the better. We can't afford to wait years to get something done. It needs to be done now, not 10 years from now. Where do you think this country will be in 10 years? Do you really think we have that much time?? Personally I don't and that is why we need to do something now. This is a very good way to do it. Personally, I think it's an idea who's time has come.

emarine

The United States Coast Guard fall under DHS... they are the best people on earth :thumbup:

joe1941

I have no problem getting rid of DHS and keeping the Coast Guard! Also I have no problem getting rid of the unconstitutional FBI!!!