oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

It seems to me that 52 tons of guns and ammo in just a few boxes disguised as furniture for incoming Muslims would be enough for them to carry out some great acts of war.

https://whatyouthoughtiwentaway.wordpress.com/2016/09/28/border-guards-found-52-tons-of-guns-and-ammunition-in-14-conex-containers-disguised-as-furniture-for-muslim-immigrants/

Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth

And the old fool makes a complete fool of himself once again! His post above has been debunked many times!

http://www.snopes.com/greek-customs-weapons-refugees-furniture/

PeterS

Oh come now Roy. There are too many true blue Americans in this country that believe everyone should have a gun for any immigrant to worry about finding one. Next to a hamburger, a gun is probably the easiest thing to buy....

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Are you going to continue to expose your ignorance? Or, would you prefer to upgrade your level of intelligence?

I'll start with this: no "true blue" American believes that everyone should have a gun.

The comment about buying a hamburger and a gun needs no further discussion, it's stupidity stands on its own.

PeterS

So the contention that everyone should be packing in order to create a safe society is false? You best check with your fellow peeps Blade because the ones I've run across definitely believe everyone should carry a gun.

And how difficult is it to buy a gun on line or from a private party? And if that doesn't work to get them through illegal means? The thought that anyone would smuggle guns into this country when they are readily available without any effort is a joke Blade and if you can't see it the stupidity is your own.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Private party gun sales are few and far between. And, you cannot buy direct a functioning firearm online, the seller will require you to first contact a valid FFL dealer who will administer the transaction, including processing the ATF form and the NICS background check. When this process is completed and the background check gives the green light, the seller will ship the firearm to the FFL dealer who will then complete the transfer to the buyer. Some states now require this same process be followed in private sales.

In suggesting that the "peeps" you've run into "definitely believe everyone should carry a gun" is a logical fallacy (argumentum ad populum). IOW, you are submitting the idea that just because a few people believe everyone should own a gun then everyone does. Moreover, your apparent belief that every white American that owns a gun is a potential mass killer is also a logical fallacy, and indicates you have a very low opinion of some 80 million Americans.

Nope, not everyone should own a gun, Pete. There are many people who should not even get close to a gun. The only ones who should are those who want to own a gun and are willing to go through the legal process of getting one and who are willing to take full responsibility for doing so, including learning why, when, where, and how to use it. And, who to use it against if the need arises.

Four research studies on self-defense and concealed carry stats have shown that in those states and cities where CCW permits are issued the crime rate is significantly reduced. And, the number of people who actually attain a permit is irrelevant. Just the fact that concealed carry is legal is the deterrent. In many areas, the number of citizens with legal CCWs is as low as 6%, and still the crime rates are down considerably. So, no, it is definitely not necessary that "everyone should be packing in order to create a safe society."

In a population of 315 million people, the current number of citizens with valid CCWs is 11 million. Maybe that is why today the national crime rate is about half of what it was at its height in 1991. Violent crime has fallen by 51 percent since 1991.

I will admit that straw purchases are a problem, but not a major one. One instance that comes to mind are the San Bernardino terrorists who were supplied with weapons in this way.

LPgee

If gun-buying is as easy as ordering a hamburger sandwich, it is even easier than buying a Barbie doll!!!
Hmmmmm. No wonder there is a rare morning without news of a gun murder .
Regardless of make, size, and brand, a gun is a weapon of death.
Would a female have a dinner date with a guy with a gun and feel safe?
.....If Chuck Norris doesn't have a gun and rely only on his hand -feet maneuvers with high-speed judgment when to use a fatal kick, will the movie fare promise an explosive climax ? ( Karate films do.)
Well....,
Give me a gun .....break.

Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!

This gives new meaning to, having a Big Mac Attack.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

It seems to me that someone surfed the internet, found a (now inactive) arms and ammunition supply company and thought it would be a real hoot to put a scary story out there just for giggles. What I don't see, and would most certainly expect to see given the current administration, is any other news source offering even a remotely similar story.

Sorry, not buying it. There's a lot of BS out there and this is just adding to it.

pafret Loc: Northeast

You can buy anything you want from legitimate sources on line. Getting possession of it is another story, most gun sales are required to go through an FFL dealer who is responsible for background checks. The only way to avoid this is to buy from a private seller and two states already require that these sales be registered and the transaction completed through an FFL dealer.

Further, the Manchin-Toomey gun bill in the Senate proposed to extend federal background check rules to all sales facilitated by the Internet — not just interstate sales, as well as private sales. This bill failed to pass because it was too intrusive but something else is sure to plug the online loopholes. The day is not far off when every gun sale will require a background check.

Even so, the shooter down at the Florida night club passed a background check because the FBI never responded to the request for a check. So laws can be passed but if they aren't enforced rigorously, nut-jobs and criminals will still get weapons.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Did you read all or most of that link? If you did I wonder if you saw the stuff about Snopes and how they dealt with it. Reading often tells you more than listening to leaners of any kind.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I am sure you are right about how easy buying things is but have you not heard that Larry Bird, the basketball star, has said that he can't afford to buy a cheeseburger? Would you like me to bring that link to you?

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I pulled a dirty trick, as I often do, and read comments at the end of my article and found this video that I doubt Snopes or any leaners like them have seen. It scares the hell out of me knowing that we are headed the way that Europe has already gone. Anyway I am sure glad I won't be around when this stuff hits the US after enough of our lefties have "invited" refugees from the middle east and North Africa to come in. I am not happy that my heavily armed sons and their children will have to take part in the coming religious war.

Watch this video and tell me how Germany wins this fight without using bullets to get rid of those Muslims. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0hD7IffTJs&app=desktop

I keep thinking about what Europe looked like when I was there in 1956 and 1957 and am very much against hearing those Muslims on this video talking about the Europeans having to breed more children, which won't happen, to keep them from creating the Caliphate. This thing will establish Sharia and start to punish thieves with cutting off their hands, and so on.

Why did those people allow their governments to allow all those first waves of Muslims into their countries? Why are they not fighting the wave that is so serious now? How do those migrant people feed themselves while marching hundreds of miles to get into Germany and the Nordish countries? Why did they take the guns of their people so now they just can't fight back against the takeover of their nations?

Bavaria, southeast Germany was such a beautiful place when I was there and must be a real hellhole these days with all those Muslim migrants marching through. Lets bring in at least as many of them as Obama intended to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0hD7IffTJs&app=desktop

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

The only link on the entire page goes here:

http://www.trademarkia.com/yavex-usa-79134280.html

The relevant information on that site reads: "On Friday, May 24, 2013, a U.S. federal trademark registration was filed for YAVEX U.S.A by YAVASÇALAR AV-SPOR MALZEMELERI; SANAYI VE TICARET ANONIM SIRKETI, . The USPTO has given the YAVEX U.S.A trademark serial number of 79134280. The current federal status of this trademark filing is ABANDONED - FAILURE TO RESPOND OR LATE RESPONSE". Interesting...

The only firearm evident in the photos looks like a UZK-BR99, a 12 Gauge shotgun. These are built by Bora Arms, a Turkish company, on a standard AK platform. You can buy these from your local gun shop for $600 or so.

There are no direct quotes at all, no authoritative references and the information it does provide is 'packaged' to be sensationalized but the actual facts are benign. Like this little gem:

"YAVEX USA IS A TURKISH ARMS MANUFACTURING COMPANY THAT IS LICENSED TO DO BUSINESS IN FORT MEYERS, FLORIDA.
That’s right, Fort Meyers, Florida." (Emphasis in original)

OK, so there's a Turkish arms manufacturer who is licensed to do business in Ft. Myers. I'm willing to bet that their license extends across the entire Unites States but that would include Ft, Myers, so fine. That's right, Ft. Myers, Florida. How conspiratorial of them to have a license to do business in Ft. Myers, FL, where they do business. See what I mean? The whole page is like that. Long on 'scaries' and very, very short on verifiable facts.

Here's another little snippet:

"Of course this is all illegal.
Here we disclose how your friendly Muslim next door is selling arms illegally."

Talk about a self-contradiction! One second they're a duly licensed, bona fide business and the next it's all illegal! This is where they disclose how my friendly Muslim next door is selling arms illegally. "Hey! Look over here at what I found! These licensed dealers are selling arms! Someone, quick, call the cops! I think they might be Muslims!"

Something else that jumps right off the page at me, the guys handling the cargo are not customs officers. If they were, they'd have the ICE patch on their backs.

And these containers weren't 'disguised' at all. There was nothing in any of the photos to indicate that this was anything but what they contained. Look at the boxes in the 4th. photo, they clearly indicate 'Luger 9 x 19mm'. That's a standard box of 9mm Luger ammunition. I wouldn't mind having a couple of those lying around myself. Does that make me a 'terrorist'?

OK that's my story and I'm sticking to it. This story has all the indicators of a fabrication and none of the merits of an honest attempt to disseminate useful information. I still call BS.

CowboyMilt

SNOPES HAS BEEN DEBUNKED MANY TIMES TOO...SOROS CONNECTION!