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Feb 17, 2017 04:32:20   #
fullspinzoo
 
Nice to see our relations with Israel back the way should be and the way they were until Obama entered the picture. Relations with our number one ally have been shaky for 8 years with Obama siding with the Palestinians for the most part. Of course, when Obama sent his people over there to cause havoc against Netanyahu in the election it didn't help things. (When would a US President ever stick his nose in another countries election. I thought that was frowned upon.) Obama did and he used taxpayer's money to do it. Jewish contingency should have been up in arms over that. http://minutemennews.com/usisrael-relations-back-track-trump-dropped-obama-position-two-state-solution/

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Feb 17, 2017 05:28:47   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
Of course, when Obama sent his people over there to cause havoc against Netanyahu in the election it didn't help things. (When would a US President ever stick his nose in another countries election. I thought that was frowned upon.) Obama did and he used taxpayer's money to do it. Jewish contingency should have been up in arms over that.


Obama got a 'pass' on too many things to list. Just another drop in the bucket. Just glad it's over.

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Feb 17, 2017 05:33:31   #
okie don
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
Nice to see our relations with Israel back the way should be and the way they were until Obama entered the picture. Relations with our number one ally have been shaky for 8 years with Obama siding with the Palestinians for the most part. Of course, when Obama sent his people over there to cause havoc against Netanyahu in the election it didn't help things. (When would a US President ever stick his nose in another countries election. I thought that was frowned upon.) Obama did and he used taxpayer's money to do it. Jewish contingency should have been up in arms over that. http://minutemennews.com/usisrael-relations-back-track-trump-dropped-obama-position-two-state-solution/
Nice to see our relations with Israel back the way... (show quote)


Never forget the attack on the USS Liberty in 1967 by Israel in an effort to pull the U S into the 6 day war.
Accident, my rear!

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Feb 17, 2017 05:52:45   #
Steve700
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
Nice to see our relations with Israel back the way should be and the way they were until Obama entered the picture. Relations with our number one ally have been shaky for 8 years with Obama siding with the Palestinians for the most part. Of course, when Obama sent his people over there to cause havoc against Netanyahu in the election it didn't help things. (When would a US President ever stick his nose in another countries election. I thought that was frowned upon.) Obama did and he used taxpayer's money to do it. Jewish contingency should have been up in arms over that. http://minutemennews.com/usisrael-relations-back-track-trump-dropped-obama-position-two-state-solution/
Nice to see our relations with Israel back the way... (show quote)
Most likely the two state solution will occur after the next time Israel is attacked. I think at that time it will be more carnage on both sides it ever before and the Muslims and Israelis that have been up until now reluctant to sign that seven year peace agreement will finally be pushed into doing it. I believe that will include permission for the Jews to build that third Temple and split Jerusalem, which God has warned humanity to not do, giving the eastern half to the Palestinians as their new capital. That is the only thing and biblical prophecy that has yet to happen before the tribulations and that in fact is what kicks off the beginning of the tribulations. (Seven years prior to Armageddon) everyone should know this but few donot even the devout Christians

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Feb 17, 2017 09:37:05   #
saltwind78
 
full, As most people on OPP know, I am a Zionist. I believe in a two state solution as the best way to achieve peace. Netanyahu is the Prime Minister of Israel and leader of the right. He is now floating the idea of a one state solution. That means that he doesn't want a Palestinian state. Lets remember that if Israel achieves this new policy, it will leave hundreds of thousands of Palestinians without a state. As bad as this is for Palestinians, it is at least just as bad for Israelis. This would leave Israel with a large population of Palestinians in Israel without citizenship. It would mean that Israel would abandon it's democracy, and become a real apartheid country. Not an ideal solution, and it is unworkable. The problem is the settlements. The Israelis that are creating settlements on Palestinian land are mostly Haradim. That means ultra orthodox Jews that believe that all of Biblical Israel should be the borders of the state. Most of these ultra Orthodox Jews are American expatriates that moved to Israel. The religious political parties in Israel have sided with the right, for many reasons. Many if not most Israelis are leftists. They want to see a two state solution that would bring peace to the area. I don't know if this is possible now, but it should be at least tried. A major problem is the Palestinian leadership. They insist that Israel must accept an agreement which would mean the end of Israel as a Jewish state. That will never happen, and is moot!
fullspinzoo wrote:
Nice to see our relations with Israel back the way should be and the way they were until Obama entered the picture. Relations with our number one ally have been shaky for 8 years with Obama siding with the Palestinians for the most part. Of course, when Obama sent his people over there to cause havoc against Netanyahu in the election it didn't help things. (When would a US President ever stick his nose in another countries election. I thought that was frowned upon.) Obama did and he used taxpayer's money to do it. Jewish contingency should have been up in arms over that. http://minutemennews.com/usisrael-relations-back-track-trump-dropped-obama-position-two-state-solution/
Nice to see our relations with Israel back the way... (show quote)

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Feb 17, 2017 10:31:36   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
Nice to see our relations with Israel back the way should be and the way they were until Obama entered the picture. Relations with our number one ally have been shaky for 8 years with Obama siding with the Palestinians for the most part. Of course, when Obama sent his people over there to cause havoc against Netanyahu in the election it didn't help things. (When would a US President ever stick his nose in another countries election. I thought that was frowned upon.) Obama did and he used taxpayer's money to do it. Jewish contingency should have been up in arms over that. http://minutemennews.com/usisrael-relations-back-track-trump-dropped-obama-position-two-state-solution/
Nice to see our relations with Israel back the way... (show quote)


haha! Trump didn't drop the two state solution, he hem hawed and said he agreed with whatever the two sides agreed to - after they agree to something. He didn't take a stand either way, probably because he had no clue what either proposal meant.

That's Trump's claim to fame ( and claim to the Presidency ): say a bunch of stuff, say everything that he can think of, don't make a definitive statement - and let the listener pull whatever they want out of his rambling and hope enough people think he's smart. Wouldn't you know it? There are plenty of dumbasses out there that do that very thing.

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Feb 17, 2017 10:44:44   #
emarine
 
lpnmajor wrote:
haha! Trump didn't drop the two state solution, he hem hawed and said he agreed with whatever the two sides agreed to - after they agree to something. He didn't take a stand either way, probably because he had no clue what either proposal meant.

That's Trump's claim to fame ( and claim to the Presidency ): say a bunch of stuff, say everything that he can think of, don't make a definitive statement - and let the listener pull whatever they want out of his rambling and hope enough people think he's smart. Wouldn't you know it? There are plenty of dumbasses out there that do that very thing.
haha! Trump didn't drop the two state solution, he... (show quote)



There will never be a two state solution until the true enslavers of the Palestinian Arabs are put out... Hamas & all terrorist factions who rule by fear & hate... you can't live with people who want to kill you & teach their children the same... Israel has earned the right to be there... the Arabs need to get their shit together before it's too late...

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Feb 17, 2017 10:56:51   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
emarine wrote:
There will never be a two state solution until the true enslavers of the Palestinian Arabs are put out... Hamas & all terrorist factions who rule by fear & hate... you can't live with people who want to kill you & teach their children the same... Israel has earned the right to be there... the Arabs need to get their shit together before it's too late...


With this I agree... Well said...

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Feb 17, 2017 11:14:28   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
lindajoy wrote:
With this I agree... Well said...


Considering the lengths they all go to just to pick fights with each other, I'm surprised anyone is talking about any kind of 'solution':

1948–1949 First Arab–Israeli War
1951–1955 Reprisal operations
1956 Suez War
1967 The Six-Day War
1967–1970 War of Attrition
1971–1982 Palestinian insurgency in South Lebanon
1973 Yom Kippur War
1978 First South Lebanon conflict
1982 First Lebanon War
1985–2000 Second South Lebanon conflict
1987–1993 First Intifada
2000–2004 Second Intifada
2006 Operation Summer Rains
2006 Second Lebanon War
2008–2009 Gaza War
2012 Operation Pillar of Defense
2014 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict

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Feb 17, 2017 12:23:56   #
wuzblynd Loc: thomson georgia
 
lpnmajor wrote:
haha! Trump didn't drop the two state solution, he hem hawed and said he agreed with whatever the two sides agreed to - after they agree to something. He didn't take a stand either way, probably because he had no clue what either proposal meant.

That's Trump's claim to fame ( and claim to the Presidency ): say a bunch of stuff, say everything that he can think of, don't make a definitive statement - and let the listener pull whatever they want out of his rambling and hope enough people think he's smart. Wouldn't you know it? There are plenty of dumbasses out there that do that very thing.
haha! Trump didn't drop the two state solution, he... (show quote)





U have Trump confused with obammy.

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Feb 17, 2017 12:29:47   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Considering the lengths they all go to just to pick fights with each other, I'm surprised anyone is talking about any kind of 'solution':

1948–1949 First Arab–Israeli War
1951–1955 Reprisal operations
1956 Suez War
1967 The Six-Day War
1967–1970 War of Attrition
1971–1982 Palestinian insurgency in South Lebanon
1973 Yom Kippur War
1978 First South Lebanon conflict
1982 First Lebanon War
1985–2000 Second South Lebanon conflict
1987–1993 First Intifada
2000–2004 Second Intifada
2006 Operation Summer Rains
2006 Second Lebanon War
2008–2009 Gaza War
2012 Operation Pillar of Defense
2014 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict
Considering the lengths they all go to just to pic... (show quote)


Larry, right you are...Again nothing will come of this one either but to keep communication going is better than the blow up that will follow if they try to force it...The UN is a joke and can only suggest.. They have no legal power over any country, even with treaties... We see how ineffective they are and why we spent billions in fees is beyond me....

Could care less what BO tried to do that sympathetic basta*d, lying double crossed who hates Isreal and we certainly know why is GONE.. Tough you know what what he tried to sneak in!!

They have been fighting land so long they are more than buried in their respective ideology of what should be.. Never to be resolved...

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Feb 17, 2017 12:58:51   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Considering the lengths they all go to just to pick fights with each other, I'm surprised anyone is talking about any kind of 'solution':

1948–1949 First Arab–Israeli War
1951–1955 Reprisal operations
1956 Suez War
1967 The Six-Day War
1967–1970 War of Attrition
1971–1982 Palestinian insurgency in South Lebanon
1973 Yom Kippur War
1978 First South Lebanon conflict
1982 First Lebanon War
1985–2000 Second South Lebanon conflict
1987–1993 First Intifada
2000–2004 Second Intifada
2006 Operation Summer Rains
2006 Second Lebanon War
2008–2009 Gaza War
2012 Operation Pillar of Defense
2014 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict
Considering the lengths they all go to just to pic... (show quote)
You might want to check the record on those fights. As in who started them and who finished them. Israel didn't name its military the "Defense Force" just because it sounds good.

Netanyahu put it this way: "If the Palestinians put down their weapons today, there would be no more conflict. If Israel put down its weapons, there would be no more Israel."

The Jewish people hold the record for being the most persecuted people on earth. They aren't trying to take over the world, they aren't trying to wipe out a race of people, they just want to live in peace in their own country.

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Feb 17, 2017 13:12:08   #
fullspinzoo
 
lpnmajor wrote:
haha! Trump didn't drop the two state solution, he hem hawed and said he agreed with whatever the two sides agreed to - after they agree to something. He didn't take a stand either way, probably because he had no clue what either proposal meant.

That's Trump's claim to fame ( and claim to the Presidency ): say a bunch of stuff, say everything that he can think of, don't make a definitive statement - and let the listener pull whatever they want out of his rambling and hope enough people think he's smart. Wouldn't you know it? There are plenty of dumbasses out there that do that very thing.
haha! Trump didn't drop the two state solution, he... (show quote)

Oh, shut up!!!!! You are so far off the mark it's not even funny!

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Feb 17, 2017 13:16:14   #
fullspinzoo
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
You might want to check the record on those fights. As in who started them and who finished them. Israel didn't name its military the "Defense Force" just because it sounds good.

Netanyahu put it this way: "If the Palestinians put down their weapons today, there would be no more conflict. If Israel put down its weapons, there would be no more Israel."

The Jewish people hold the record for being the most persecuted people on earth. They aren't trying to take over the world, they aren't trying to wipe out a race of people, they just want to live in peace in their own country.
You might want to check the record on those fights... (show quote)

How any Jewish people voted for Obama I'll never be able to figure out. Obama was in the Palestinian camp and even went as far as sending a team plus $300K of taxpayers money to throw a wrench in the Netanyahu election. Talk about sticking your big fat nose in other people's elections.

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Feb 17, 2017 23:31:31   #
Steve700
 
saltwind78 wrote:
full, As most people on OPP know, I am a Zionist. I believe in a two state solution as the best way to achieve peace. Netanyahu is the Prime Minister of Israel and leader of the right. He is now floating the idea of a one state solution. That means that he doesn't want a Palestinian state. Lets remember that if Israel achieves this new policy, it will leave hundreds of thousands of Palestinians without a state. As bad as this is for Palestinians, it is at least just as bad for Israelis. This would leave Israel with a large population of Palestinians in Israel without citizenship. It would mean that Israel would abandon it's democracy, and become a real apartheid country. Not an ideal solution, and it is unworkable. The problem is the settlements. The Israelis that are creating settlements on Palestinian land are mostly Haradim. That means ultra orthodox Jews that believe that all of Biblical Israel should be the borders of the state. Most of these ultra Orthodox Jews are American expatriates that moved to Israel. The religious political partie in Israel have sided with the right, for many reasons. Many if not most Israelis are leftists. They want to see a two state solution that would bring peace to the area. I don't know if this is possible now, but it should be at least tried. A major problem is the Palestinian leadership. They insist that Israel must accept an agreement which would mean the end of Israel as a Jewish state. That will never happen, and is moot!
full, As most people on OPP know, I am a Zionist. ... (show quote)


& All The Rest Of You:

The Palestinians need to all be thrown out of the country.Their religion will ensure that they will always remain deadly hostile to the Israelis. They never were self ruling and always were under the authority of someone else. Because of Islamic theology, those ingrates can never appreciate the economically prosperous flowering paradise the Jews have turned that desert shit hole into. Anyone who thinks they should have their own state does not understand Islam, nor realize that will only embolden the Palestinians and give them a safer place from which to launch destruction upon Israel. Muslims, especially Arab Muslims will never live in peace with the Jews and if you have bought the lie they have done so for centuries, you are mistaken, unless you believe being subjugated as an extorted third class citizen is okay and properly called living in peace. Don't you know that the Koran calls for genocide and teaches that all Jews will be slaughtered in the end days even the trees and rocks will cry out "Oh servants of Allah, there is a Muslim behind me; come and kill him. (As well as that Allah hates them, has ordained the Muslims to kill them and in the past has turned them into the lowest and most disgusting and hated form of animal in Islamic theology, the Pig) now how do you expect the Muslims to ever get along with the Jews and accept them as equals. Now how do you expect them to live in harmony and accept the Jews as equals with a filthy demonic religion likes that molding their views. ???

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