Trump Screws the 99%
Feb 19, 2017 21:34:53 #
archie bunker wrote:
You lose gracefully? No.......it has been proven that you don't.
I'm driven by self-perception...not the perception of me as expressed to me by others.....their perception means something to THEM ONLY...
Feb 19, 2017 22:43:46 #
Progressive One wrote:
Obama was a super-smart non toadie. A community o... (show quote)
Yeah, you're an Obamaphyte. We know.
That has nothing to do with you Sally. You're still a racist liar. No change in that. Be honest. Obama being a president made you feel important didn't it?
And before you go on a rant licking Obama's boots, try to remember you are talking about the intelligence of a guy who thinks America has 57 states.
Like it or not, you lost.
What will.you do if the criminal lawsuit claiming he is guilty of treason moves forward? The guy pushing it is one of the nation's most.prominent prosecutors. I can't wait for your tirades if it goes to trial.
Feb 19, 2017 22:48:51 #
Progressive One wrote:
Got to love crackas like you.....I love slam dunki... (show quote)
The Spurs lose when they get beaten. You are a doorknob. It takes work to win. Less to lose. You should be familiar with the convert of losing by now.
Feb 19, 2017 23:32:37 #
kankune wrote:
Man....step out of your bubble and find out what's actually going on!!!
How, by walking into your bubble? Did you know that the Swedish Prime Minister heard Trumps latest ramble and wanted to know what terrorist attacks happened in his country. Maybe you can tweet him and tell him where they were at...
Feb 20, 2017 08:50:03 #
StraightUp, do you wonder what the .0001% is up to?
A big battle is on. Get informed on what the .0001% is up to:
I hope more Americans get tuned in.
Food for thought. Don't get blind sided.
https://pro.agorafinancial.com/p/AWN_icenine_0117/LAWNT269/?h=true
A big battle is on. Get informed on what the .0001% is up to:
I hope more Americans get tuned in.
Food for thought. Don't get blind sided.
https://pro.agorafinancial.com/p/AWN_icenine_0117/LAWNT269/?h=true
Feb 20, 2017 09:01:32 #
good post LJ; but one point;
I think you put the cart before the horse here;
"The Federal Reserve has become nothing more than another arm of the executive branch, responding to the beck-and-calls of the president."
The borrower is servant to the lender.
It has been a partnership though; both the FED and the government have been fleecing the working class.
"Let’s hope that President Trump, who has promised to “drain the swamp,” sees through the light of Mnuchin’s talking points and prioritizes the passage of this bill. The economy can’t be made “great again” without doing so." - amen
I think you put the cart before the horse here;
"The Federal Reserve has become nothing more than another arm of the executive branch, responding to the beck-and-calls of the president."
The borrower is servant to the lender.
It has been a partnership though; both the FED and the government have been fleecing the working class.
"Let’s hope that President Trump, who has promised to “drain the swamp,” sees through the light of Mnuchin’s talking points and prioritizes the passage of this bill. The economy can’t be made “great again” without doing so." - amen
lindajoy wrote:
Nailed it again, Eagle, unfortunately too much inf... (show quote)
Feb 20, 2017 10:07:26 #
straightUp wrote:
Oh, I see... So when I ask a right-wing retard for an explanation the most I can hope for is one exclamatory sentence in upper case. So, why did we fight WW2? Answer: "JAPS!!! How does a phone work? Answer: "TECHNOLOGY for ONE!!!"
... got it ;)
... got it ;)
I didn't figure you could HANDLE more than one subject at a time!!
Feb 20, 2017 10:26:47 #
eagleye13 wrote:
good post LJ; but one point; br I think you put th... (show quote)
BTW; Trump does know the power of the Banksters. They could use their wealth/stock positions to collapse the economy, and using the MSM to blame him.
The sheeple need to know who and what Trump is going up against.
Feb 20, 2017 10:36:47 #
Feb 20, 2017 10:58:15 #
straightUp wrote:
Well, I never said that bureau is in control of th... (show quote)
"Honestly... I'm listening Archie... Please tell me how taking away our protection from predatory business practices helps us. Please explain to me how we will be better off without the ability to even complain when we get screwed." - straightUp
If you are really concerned about "predatory business practices"; Then you should be concerned with what the private Federal Reserve banking System has been doing since 1913.
Quits a con job.
Feb 20, 2017 15:25:12 #
Tribes look to Trump to save their coal plant
The free market, and not regulations, has doomed the Navajo Generating Station.
By Evan Halper
WASHINGTON — On Navajo Nation territory near Page, Ariz., news about plans to shutter a hulking coal plant that has been the workhorse of the struggling local economy for decades came like a punch to the gut.
Now tribes and plant workers are demanding relief from the person who vowed to end these kinds of devastating announcements — Donald Trump.
The plight of this community in northern Arizona will put Trump’s vision for a coal industry resurgence to its first major test, and lay bare the extent to which the new administration will go to preserve coal country jobs.
The impending closure, announced last week, also highlights the limitations of Trump’s blueprint for saving coal, as none of the easy solutions, such as cutting environmental regulations, will be enough to rescue the Navajo Generating Station, which is failing because of free-market competition from cheaper natural gas.
It is the largest — and most environmentally disruptive — coal plant in the West. If the switch is turned off as planned in 2019, the Navajo Nation will lose more than a third of its yearly revenue. The sovereign Hopi tribe located on land inside the Navajo borders is threatened with even greater financial peril: It gets 80% of its money from royalties related to the coal operation. Hundreds of prized mining and plant jobs would evaporate in a community where decent employment is scarce.
The sting would ripple out to Page, Flagstaff and even Phoenix, where the coal plant’s supply chain and the power it generates have been a bedrock for the arid Southwest’s growth since the Nixon administration, powering the delivery of trillions of gallons of water to cities and farms. The plant’s interconnectedness to the Western power grid is moving some conservatives to argue the threatened closure gives the administration an opening to target some of the green-power mandates reviled by conservatives in nearby California, which affect the market for the entire region.
This closure wasn’t supposed to happen. Even the coal-wary Obama White House had signed off on a plan to enable the plant to keep running until 2044. Now the only thing local leaders have to hang on to are the coal-related campaign promises of Trump, who recently invited television cameras and some hard-hat-wearing miners into the Oval Office to tout all he is doing for the industry.
“This administration said that it will be 100% behind the coal industry,” said Navajo Nation President Russell Begaye. “This is the first opportunity to live up to that statement President Trump made to the American public.”
But like so many other troubled coal plants, the Navajo Generating Station presents a conundrum for the new administration. Trump’s plans to come to the rescue of the coal industry have done nothing to pause the Arizona operation’s march to mothballs by the utilities that own it. The environmental rules that Trump denounces as the culprit for the rapid decline of coal are not the problem in Arizona — even at this plant that releases more greenhouse gases than almost any other in the country. The problem is old-fashioned competition.
“The bottom line is there is not much Trump can do here,” said Kevin Book, an analyst at ClearView Energy Partners. “There is no obvious lever for him to pull.” The Arizona and Nevada utilities that own the plant say they have done the math every which way and reach the same conclusion each time: Replacing the coal energy with mostly natural gas would lower their costs by millions of dollars each year. The Los Angeles Department of Water and Power had also been a part owner of the plant, but sold its stake last year in connection with city and state efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
“The utility owners do not take this decision lightly,” said a statement from Mike Hummel at the Salt River Project, operator of the plant, which since the 1970s has powered the delivery of 1.5 million acre-feet of water from the Colorado River essential to sustaining a large swath of Arizona. He nodded to the coal plant’s historical role in the growth of the Southwest, but said his utility and the others can’t afford to keep it going in this era of cheap and plentiful natural gas.
It all puts the Trump administration in an uncomfortable place. The political fallout from the closure of the plant would be magnified by the fact that the federal government is among its owners. The Bureau of Reclamation was a driving force behind pushing for the construction of the plant in the 1960s, when it was essential to the architecture of Arizona’s massive water project. The bureau still owns its 24% share of the Navajo Generating Station.
To keep it running into the future, the Trump administration would need to do something radical. Scrapping environmental rules alone won’t cut it. Tribal leaders suggest a de facto bailout in the form of subsidies and tax exemptions — or even the Bureau of Reclamation taking full control of the plant and having the government run the whole operation. They are the kind of solutions that make conservatives bristle, even those crusading for the coal industry.
The bureau is committing only to a meeting in Washington next month, where the plant owners, the tribes and federal officials can mull over options. “We need to see what the economics of this situation are and find a pathway forward that works,” said Dan DuBray, a spokesman for the bureau. “Everything potentially would be on the table.”
Few in the energy industry are betting on the plant staying open. It wasn’t long ago that coal power accounted for more than half the nation’s electricity. Now it is a third. The decline is no longer driven by strict environmental rules but a market in which natural gas is often cheaper, and many utilities are swapping their coal power for renewables to meet state mandates requiring solar and wind be in their mix.
Even those big players in coal who celebrated the Oval Office event Thursday, where Trump infuriated environmentalists by eliminating clean water protections the coal industry warned threatened thousands of mining jobs, are skeptical of how much Trump can do to save plants like the one in Arizona.
“We built an infrastructure to serve a much bigger market share than we have now,” said Luke Popovich, spokesman for the National Mining Assn. “It means the less efficient capacity is going to be downsized.”
As is often the case with such electricity struggles in the West, some allies of traditional energy sources lay blame on California. They point to state law that restricts importing coal energy and suggest it has skewed the entire market of the West, which is intertwined with the state through the region’s massive power grid. “California ends up mandating energy policy for about 85 million people in 14 states and three countries,” said former California Assemblyman Chuck DeVore, now a vice president at the conservative Texas Public Policy Foundation.
He envisions the Trump administration trying to save the Navajo Generating Station by challenging the California mandates in federal court as an affront to interstate commerce, and in regulatory proceedings as a burden on the interstate power grid. But other energy analysts don’t see that happening. It would be too heavy a policy lift, too disruptive to a broader electricity industry that has already adapted to meet California’s rules, and too likely to get slapped down by the courts, they say.
Back in Arizona, Navajo leaders are desperate. They talk about the plant’s fate not as a matter of market forces and the evolution of energy sources, but as a betrayal by the utilities that are walking away after making a windfall off tribal coal and tribal labor for decades. They warn that if Trump, after all his promises to bring back coal, does not fix this, he will have betrayed them too.
evan.halper@latimes.com
Twitter: @evanhalper
The free market, and not regulations, has doomed the Navajo Generating Station.
By Evan Halper
WASHINGTON — On Navajo Nation territory near Page, Ariz., news about plans to shutter a hulking coal plant that has been the workhorse of the struggling local economy for decades came like a punch to the gut.
Now tribes and plant workers are demanding relief from the person who vowed to end these kinds of devastating announcements — Donald Trump.
The plight of this community in northern Arizona will put Trump’s vision for a coal industry resurgence to its first major test, and lay bare the extent to which the new administration will go to preserve coal country jobs.
The impending closure, announced last week, also highlights the limitations of Trump’s blueprint for saving coal, as none of the easy solutions, such as cutting environmental regulations, will be enough to rescue the Navajo Generating Station, which is failing because of free-market competition from cheaper natural gas.
It is the largest — and most environmentally disruptive — coal plant in the West. If the switch is turned off as planned in 2019, the Navajo Nation will lose more than a third of its yearly revenue. The sovereign Hopi tribe located on land inside the Navajo borders is threatened with even greater financial peril: It gets 80% of its money from royalties related to the coal operation. Hundreds of prized mining and plant jobs would evaporate in a community where decent employment is scarce.
The sting would ripple out to Page, Flagstaff and even Phoenix, where the coal plant’s supply chain and the power it generates have been a bedrock for the arid Southwest’s growth since the Nixon administration, powering the delivery of trillions of gallons of water to cities and farms. The plant’s interconnectedness to the Western power grid is moving some conservatives to argue the threatened closure gives the administration an opening to target some of the green-power mandates reviled by conservatives in nearby California, which affect the market for the entire region.
This closure wasn’t supposed to happen. Even the coal-wary Obama White House had signed off on a plan to enable the plant to keep running until 2044. Now the only thing local leaders have to hang on to are the coal-related campaign promises of Trump, who recently invited television cameras and some hard-hat-wearing miners into the Oval Office to tout all he is doing for the industry.
“This administration said that it will be 100% behind the coal industry,” said Navajo Nation President Russell Begaye. “This is the first opportunity to live up to that statement President Trump made to the American public.”
But like so many other troubled coal plants, the Navajo Generating Station presents a conundrum for the new administration. Trump’s plans to come to the rescue of the coal industry have done nothing to pause the Arizona operation’s march to mothballs by the utilities that own it. The environmental rules that Trump denounces as the culprit for the rapid decline of coal are not the problem in Arizona — even at this plant that releases more greenhouse gases than almost any other in the country. The problem is old-fashioned competition.
“The bottom line is there is not much Trump can do here,” said Kevin Book, an analyst at ClearView Energy Partners. “There is no obvious lever for him to pull.” The Arizona and Nevada utilities that own the plant say they have done the math every which way and reach the same conclusion each time: Replacing the coal energy with mostly natural gas would lower their costs by millions of dollars each year. The Los Angeles Department of Water and Power had also been a part owner of the plant, but sold its stake last year in connection with city and state efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
“The utility owners do not take this decision lightly,” said a statement from Mike Hummel at the Salt River Project, operator of the plant, which since the 1970s has powered the delivery of 1.5 million acre-feet of water from the Colorado River essential to sustaining a large swath of Arizona. He nodded to the coal plant’s historical role in the growth of the Southwest, but said his utility and the others can’t afford to keep it going in this era of cheap and plentiful natural gas.
It all puts the Trump administration in an uncomfortable place. The political fallout from the closure of the plant would be magnified by the fact that the federal government is among its owners. The Bureau of Reclamation was a driving force behind pushing for the construction of the plant in the 1960s, when it was essential to the architecture of Arizona’s massive water project. The bureau still owns its 24% share of the Navajo Generating Station.
To keep it running into the future, the Trump administration would need to do something radical. Scrapping environmental rules alone won’t cut it. Tribal leaders suggest a de facto bailout in the form of subsidies and tax exemptions — or even the Bureau of Reclamation taking full control of the plant and having the government run the whole operation. They are the kind of solutions that make conservatives bristle, even those crusading for the coal industry.
The bureau is committing only to a meeting in Washington next month, where the plant owners, the tribes and federal officials can mull over options. “We need to see what the economics of this situation are and find a pathway forward that works,” said Dan DuBray, a spokesman for the bureau. “Everything potentially would be on the table.”
Few in the energy industry are betting on the plant staying open. It wasn’t long ago that coal power accounted for more than half the nation’s electricity. Now it is a third. The decline is no longer driven by strict environmental rules but a market in which natural gas is often cheaper, and many utilities are swapping their coal power for renewables to meet state mandates requiring solar and wind be in their mix.
Even those big players in coal who celebrated the Oval Office event Thursday, where Trump infuriated environmentalists by eliminating clean water protections the coal industry warned threatened thousands of mining jobs, are skeptical of how much Trump can do to save plants like the one in Arizona.
“We built an infrastructure to serve a much bigger market share than we have now,” said Luke Popovich, spokesman for the National Mining Assn. “It means the less efficient capacity is going to be downsized.”
As is often the case with such electricity struggles in the West, some allies of traditional energy sources lay blame on California. They point to state law that restricts importing coal energy and suggest it has skewed the entire market of the West, which is intertwined with the state through the region’s massive power grid. “California ends up mandating energy policy for about 85 million people in 14 states and three countries,” said former California Assemblyman Chuck DeVore, now a vice president at the conservative Texas Public Policy Foundation.
He envisions the Trump administration trying to save the Navajo Generating Station by challenging the California mandates in federal court as an affront to interstate commerce, and in regulatory proceedings as a burden on the interstate power grid. But other energy analysts don’t see that happening. It would be too heavy a policy lift, too disruptive to a broader electricity industry that has already adapted to meet California’s rules, and too likely to get slapped down by the courts, they say.
Back in Arizona, Navajo leaders are desperate. They talk about the plant’s fate not as a matter of market forces and the evolution of energy sources, but as a betrayal by the utilities that are walking away after making a windfall off tribal coal and tribal labor for decades. They warn that if Trump, after all his promises to bring back coal, does not fix this, he will have betrayed them too.
evan.halper@latimes.com
Twitter: @evanhalper
Feb 20, 2017 15:26:19 #
Even the coal-wary Obama White House had signed off on a plan to enable the plant to keep running until 2044. Now the only thing local leaders have to hang on to are the coal-related campaign promises of Trump, who recently invited television cameras and some hard-hat-wearing miners into the Oval Office to tout all he is doing for the industry.
“This administration said that it will be 100% behind the coal industry,” said Navajo Nation President Russell Begaye. “This is the first opportunity to live up to that statement President Trump made to the American public.”
“This administration said that it will be 100% behind the coal industry,” said Navajo Nation President Russell Begaye. “This is the first opportunity to live up to that statement President Trump made to the American public.”
Feb 20, 2017 20:08:07 #
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Feb 20, 2017 21:40:50 #
eagleye13 wrote:
straight Up; be cognizant of who you align with.
Berkley rioters Screaming - “No Nazis!”
Will liberals allow the Left to ruin their party, using communist tactics?
Berkley rioters Screaming - “No Nazis!”
Will liberals allow the Left to ruin their party, using communist tactics?
Assuming "their party" means, the Democratic Party, no. The liberals in the Democratic Party are overwhelmingly progressive. You would have to take a really big step over the crowd of progressive liberals to get to the communists over in the corner.
And, what are you calling communist tactics, anyway?
eagleye13 wrote:
Why do liberals align with the likes of a Billionaire elitist like George "Giorgi" Soros?
Why do liberals align with the likes of a Billionaire elitist like George "Giorgi" Soros?
We never talk about him. The only time I ever hear about Soros is when you guys are fuming about him. Am I "aligned" with him? Shit, I don't know enough about him to say.
eagleye13 wrote:
The Left has no room for Free Speech, or debate.
They can’t stand up to it.
The Left has no room for Free Speech, or debate.
They can’t stand up to it.
hate, hate, hate... zzz
eagleye13 wrote:
Useful idiots being paid and used by Nazi collaborator, George Soros.
This is an expose and denouncement of George Soros.
10 Things You Didn't Know about George Soros
https://youtu.be/tfBHYxEojZk
SOROS ROTHSCHILD RACE WAR PROPAGANDA EXPOSED
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George Soros: Evil Puppet Master Exposed
https://youtu.be/1eRFTHD2CTg
Anyone who cares to have organized rioting and Soros exposed, should copy and share this.
Useful idiots being paid and used by Nazi collaborator, George Soros.
This is an expose and denouncement of George Soros.
10 Things You Didn't Know about George Soros
https://youtu.be/tfBHYxEojZk
SOROS ROTHSCHILD RACE WAR PROPAGANDA EXPOSED
https://youtu.be/lhqqz3QFQKE
George Soros: Evil Puppet Master Exposed
https://youtu.be/1eRFTHD2CTg
Anyone who cares to have organized rioting and Soros exposed, should copy and share this.
bread and circuses.
they got you real good.
Feb 20, 2017 22:06:57 #
I'm with you....I don't really relate to the Soros thing and what has their panties in a bunch...especially eagle...the Soros disciple.............
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