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Jan 29, 2017 16:09:35   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
payne1000 wrote:
I never desired to be a musician.
I figured that would go way over your head. It's an analogy. What it suggests is that owning a gun doesn't make you a marksman.

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Jan 29, 2017 16:10:23   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
payne1000 wrote:
Another bonafide retard . . .


She aborted your brain, I'd be pissed if I were you.

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Jan 29, 2017 16:28:14   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
ziggy88 wrote:
Rsearched by Pastor Gary Boyd


THIRTEEN years ago, researchers at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum began the grim task of documenting all the ghettos, slave labor sites, concentration camps and killing factories that the Nazis set up throughout Europe.

What they have found so far has shocked even scholars steeped in the history of the Holocaust.

The researchers have cataloged some 42,500 Nazi ghettos and camps throughout Europe, spanning German-controlled areas from France to Russia and Germany itself, during Hitler’s reign of brutality from 1933 to 1945.

The figure is so staggering that even fellow Holocaust scholars had to make sure they had heard it correctly when the lead researchers previewed their findings at an academic forum in late January at the German Historical Institute in Washington.

“The numbers are so much higher than what we originally thought,” Hartmut Berghoff, director of the institute, said in an interview after learning of the new data.

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Ghettos for Jews in Eastern Europe MARCH 1, 2013
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SS Concentration Camps MARCH 1, 2013
“We knew before how horrible life in the camps and ghettos was,” he said, “but the numbers are unbelievable.”

The documented camps include not only “killing centers” but also thousands of forced labor camps, where prisoners manufactured war supplies; prisoner-of-war camps; sites euphemistically named “care” centers, where pregnant women were forced to have abortions or their babies were killed after birth; and brothels, where women were coerced into having sex with German military personnel.

Auschwitz and a handful of other concentration camps have come to symbolize the Nazi killing machine in the public consciousness. Likewise, the Nazi system for imprisoning Jewish families in hometown ghettos has become associated with a single site — the Warsaw Ghetto, famous for the 1943 uprising. But these sites, infamous though they are, represent only a minuscule fraction of the entire German network, the new research makes painfully clear.

The maps the researchers have created to identify the camps and ghettos turn wide sections of wartime Europe into black clusters of death, torture and slavery — centered in Germany and Poland, but reaching in all directions.

The lead editors on the project, Geoffrey Megargee and Martin Dean, estimate that 15 million to 20 million people died or were imprisoned in the sites that they have identified as part of a multivolume encyclopedia. (The Holocaust museum has published the first two, with five more planned by 2025.)

The existence of many individual camps and ghettos was previously known only on a fragmented, region-by-region basis. But the researchers, using data from some 400 contributors, have been documenting the entire scale for the first time, studying where they were located, how they were run, and what their purpose was.

The brutal experience of Henry Greenbaum, an 84-year-old Holocaust survivor who lives outside Washington, typifies the wide range of Nazi sites.

When Mr. Greenbaum, a volunteer at the Holocaust museum, tells visitors today about his wartime odyssey, listeners inevitably focus on his confinement of months at Auschwitz, the most notorious of all the camps.

But the images of the other camps where the Nazis imprisoned him are ingrained in his memory as deeply as the concentration camp number — A188991 — tattooed on his left forearm.

In an interview, he ticked off the locations in rapid fire, the details still vivid.

First came the Starachowice ghetto in his hometown in Poland, where the Germans herded his family and other local Jews in 1940, when he was just 12.

Next came a slave labor camp with six-foot-high fences outside the town, where he and a sister were moved while the rest of the family was sent to die at Treblinka. After his regular work shift at a factory, the Germans would force him and other prisoners to dig trenches that were used for dumping the bodies of victims. He was sent to Auschwitz, then removed to work at a chemical manufacturing plant in Poland known as Buna Monowitz, where he and some 50 other prisoners who had been held at the main camp at Auschwitz were taken to manufacture rubber and synthetic oil. And last was another slave labor camp at Flossenbürg, near the Czech border, where food was so scarce that the weight on his 5-foot-8-inch frame fell away to less than 100 pounds.

By the age of 17, Mr. Greenbaum had been enslaved in five camps in five years, and was on his way to a sixth, when American soldiers freed him in 1945. “Nobody even knows about these places,” Mr. Greenbaum said. “Everything should be documented. That’s very important. We try to tell the youngsters so that they know, and they’ll remember.”

The research could have legal implications as well by helping a small number of survivors document their continuing claims over unpaid insurance policies, looted property, seized land and other financial matters.

“HOW many claims have been rejected because the victims were in a camp that we didn’t even know about?” asked Sam Dubbin, a Florida lawyer who represents a group of survivors who are seeking to bring claims against European insurance companies.

Dr. Megargee, the lead researcher, said the project was changing the understanding among Holocaust scholars of how the camps and ghettos evolved.

As early as 1933, at the start of Hitler’s reign, the Third Reich established about 110 camps specifically designed to imprison some 10,000 political opponents and others, the researchers found. As Germany invaded and began occupying European neighbors, the use of camps and ghettos was expanded to confine and sometimes kill not only Jews but also homosexuals, Gypsies, Poles, Russians and many other ethnic groups in Eastern Europe. The camps and ghettos varied enormously in their mission, organization and size, depending on the Nazis’ needs, the researchers have found.

The biggest site identified is the infamous Warsaw Ghetto, which held about 500,000 people at its height. But as few as a dozen prisoners worked at one of the smallest camps, the München-Schwabing site in Germany. Small groups of prisoners were sent there from the Dachau concentration camp under armed guard. They were reportedly whipped and ordered to do manual labor at the home of a fervent Nazi patron known as “Sister Pia,” cleaning her house, tending her garden and even building children’s toys for her.

When the research began in 2000, Dr. Megargee said he expected to find perhaps 7,000 Nazi camps and ghettos, based on postwar estimates. But the numbers kept climbing — first to 11,500, then 20,000, then 30,000, and now 42,500.

The numbers astound: 30,000 slave labor camps; 1,150 Jewish ghettos; 980 concentration camps; 1,000 prisoner-of-war camps; 500 brothels filled with sex slaves; and thousands of other camps used for euthanizing the elderly and infirm, performing forced abortions, “Germanizing” prisoners or transporting victims to killing centers.

In Berlin alone, researchers have documented some 3,000 camps and so-called Jew houses, while Hamburg held 1,300 sites.

Dr. Dean, a co-researcher, said the findings left no doubt in his mind that many German citizens, despite the frequent claims of ignorance after the war, must have known about the widespread existence of the Nazi camps at the time.

“You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps,” he said. “They were everywhere.”
Rsearched by Pastor Gary Boyd br br br THIRTEEN ... (show quote)
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Maybe I'll pay a visit one day.

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Jan 29, 2017 16:43:27   #
payne1000
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
I figured that would go way over your head. It's an analogy. What it suggests is that owning a gun doesn't make you a marksman.


I figured you wouldn't understand humor.
I was right.

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Jan 29, 2017 16:47:38   #
payne1000
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Maybe I'll pay a visit one day.


Before you visit the Holohaux Museum, read this book so you'll understand what it's all about:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008GZ4J76/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1



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Jan 30, 2017 06:21:57   #
samtheyank
 
ziggy88 wrote:
Rsearched by Pastor Gary Boyd


THIRTEEN years ago, researchers at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum began the grim task of documenting all the ghettos, slave labor sites, concentration camps and killing factories that the Nazis set up throughout Europe.

What they have found so far has shocked even scholars steeped in the history of the Holocaust.

The researchers have cataloged some 42,500 Nazi ghettos and camps throughout Europe, spanning German-controlled areas from France to Russia and Germany itself, during Hitler’s reign of brutality from 1933 to 1945.

The figure is so staggering that even fellow Holocaust scholars had to make sure they had heard it correctly when the lead researchers previewed their findings at an academic forum in late January at the German Historical Institute in Washington.

“The numbers are so much higher than what we originally thought,” Hartmut Berghoff, director of the institute, said in an interview after learning of the new data.

Continue reading the main story
RELATED COVERAGE

map
Ghettos for Jews in Eastern Europe MARCH 1, 2013
map
SS Concentration Camps MARCH 1, 2013
“We knew before how horrible life in the camps and ghettos was,” he said, “but the numbers are unbelievable.”

The documented camps include not only “killing centers” but also thousands of forced labor camps, where prisoners manufactured war supplies; prisoner-of-war camps; sites euphemistically named “care” centers, where pregnant women were forced to have abortions or their babies were killed after birth; and brothels, where women were coerced into having sex with German military personnel.

Auschwitz and a handful of other concentration camps have come to symbolize the Nazi killing machine in the public consciousness. Likewise, the Nazi system for imprisoning Jewish families in hometown ghettos has become associated with a single site — the Warsaw Ghetto, famous for the 1943 uprising. But these sites, infamous though they are, represent only a minuscule fraction of the entire German network, the new research makes painfully clear.

The maps the researchers have created to identify the camps and ghettos turn wide sections of wartime Europe into black clusters of death, torture and slavery — centered in Germany and Poland, but reaching in all directions.

The lead editors on the project, Geoffrey Megargee and Martin Dean, estimate that 15 million to 20 million people died or were imprisoned in the sites that they have identified as part of a multivolume encyclopedia. (The Holocaust museum has published the first two, with five more planned by 2025.)

The existence of many individual camps and ghettos was previously known only on a fragmented, region-by-region basis. But the researchers, using data from some 400 contributors, have been documenting the entire scale for the first time, studying where they were located, how they were run, and what their purpose was.

The brutal experience of Henry Greenbaum, an 84-year-old Holocaust survivor who lives outside Washington, typifies the wide range of Nazi sites.

When Mr. Greenbaum, a volunteer at the Holocaust museum, tells visitors today about his wartime odyssey, listeners inevitably focus on his confinement of months at Auschwitz, the most notorious of all the camps.

But the images of the other camps where the Nazis imprisoned him are ingrained in his memory as deeply as the concentration camp number — A188991 — tattooed on his left forearm.

In an interview, he ticked off the locations in rapid fire, the details still vivid.

First came the Starachowice ghetto in his hometown in Poland, where the Germans herded his family and other local Jews in 1940, when he was just 12.

Next came a slave labor camp with six-foot-high fences outside the town, where he and a sister were moved while the rest of the family was sent to die at Treblinka. After his regular work shift at a factory, the Germans would force him and other prisoners to dig trenches that were used for dumping the bodies of victims. He was sent to Auschwitz, then removed to work at a chemical manufacturing plant in Poland known as Buna Monowitz, where he and some 50 other prisoners who had been held at the main camp at Auschwitz were taken to manufacture rubber and synthetic oil. And last was another slave labor camp at Flossenbürg, near the Czech border, where food was so scarce that the weight on his 5-foot-8-inch frame fell away to less than 100 pounds.

By the age of 17, Mr. Greenbaum had been enslaved in five camps in five years, and was on his way to a sixth, when American soldiers freed him in 1945. “Nobody even knows about these places,” Mr. Greenbaum said. “Everything should be documented. That’s very important. We try to tell the youngsters so that they know, and they’ll remember.”

The research could have legal implications as well by helping a small number of survivors document their continuing claims over unpaid insurance policies, looted property, seized land and other financial matters.

“HOW many claims have been rejected because the victims were in a camp that we didn’t even know about?” asked Sam Dubbin, a Florida lawyer who represents a group of survivors who are seeking to bring claims against European insurance companies.

Dr. Megargee, the lead researcher, said the project was changing the understanding among Holocaust scholars of how the camps and ghettos evolved.

As early as 1933, at the start of Hitler’s reign, the Third Reich established about 110 camps specifically designed to imprison some 10,000 political opponents and others, the researchers found. As Germany invaded and began occupying European neighbors, the use of camps and ghettos was expanded to confine and sometimes kill not only Jews but also homosexuals, Gypsies, Poles, Russians and many other ethnic groups in Eastern Europe. The camps and ghettos varied enormously in their mission, organization and size, depending on the Nazis’ needs, the researchers have found.

The biggest site identified is the infamous Warsaw Ghetto, which held about 500,000 people at its height. But as few as a dozen prisoners worked at one of the smallest camps, the München-Schwabing site in Germany. Small groups of prisoners were sent there from the Dachau concentration camp under armed guard. They were reportedly whipped and ordered to do manual labor at the home of a fervent Nazi patron known as “Sister Pia,” cleaning her house, tending her garden and even building children’s toys for her.

When the research began in 2000, Dr. Megargee said he expected to find perhaps 7,000 Nazi camps and ghettos, based on postwar estimates. But the numbers kept climbing — first to 11,500, then 20,000, then 30,000, and now 42,500.

The numbers astound: 30,000 slave labor camps; 1,150 Jewish ghettos; 980 concentration camps; 1,000 prisoner-of-war camps; 500 brothels filled with sex slaves; and thousands of other camps used for euthanizing the elderly and infirm, performing forced abortions, “Germanizing” prisoners or transporting victims to killing centers.

In Berlin alone, researchers have documented some 3,000 camps and so-called Jew houses, while Hamburg held 1,300 sites.

Dr. Dean, a co-researcher, said the findings left no doubt in his mind that many German citizens, despite the frequent claims of ignorance after the war, must have known about the widespread existence of the Nazi camps at the time.

“You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps,” he said. “They were everywhere.”
Rsearched by Pastor Gary Boyd br br br THIRTEEN ... (show quote)


Before I make my comment, I would like to say that Hitler was the epitomy of evil. Fifty million innocent people were killed because of this evil Son of a Bitch. When you hear about the Holocaust, it is always told from a Jewish perspective. It is true that six million Jews, or more, were killed as a result of Hitler's Final Solution. I would never deny this as a historical fact. The thing you very seldom hear about is that more Gentiles, or non Jews, died in Hitler's camps than Jews. It is a shame, in my opinion, that this very fact is never emphasized when this topic is discussed or written about as history. There were approximately nineteen to twenty million people that were killed altogether according to historical records. When you do the math, subtract six million from nineteen or twenty million, more than twice the number of Gentiles, non Jews, were killed than Jews. Hitler killed and gassed Gypsies, Retarded People, Political Undesireables, Russian Men & Women, French, British, Canadians and Americans. A hell of a lot of Polish People were killed as well. Any person who was considered an enemy or a burden to the Third Reich got the trip to a Death Camp. These people are what I call the "Lost Souls" of the Holocaust. I have no doubt, when you take the time and do the math, the death toll is much higher.

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Jan 30, 2017 06:48:59   #
samtheyank
 
[quote=payne1000]If it does, they should take note of

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Jan 30, 2017 07:12:02   #
GRB777
 
All of the history of WW2 is a blatant lie. Stop just accepting what others tell you to believe; do your own research. Don't believe me, prove history for yourself. You will find that all the history you have been taught is upside down. No one has ever found any real evidence of a Jewish holocaust. All of the photos you are given are of eastern Europeans; not Jews. Japan and Germany were forced into WW2 ; not what you are told. Churchill, Stalin, FDR, Ike were all war criminals. Patton was aware of all of this and was going to resign, not retire, from the Army. He was going to reveal all he knew, that's why he was murdered. Nearly 13 million Germans were slaughtered from 1945 to 1953; the real holocaust. A similar charade has been going on right in front of you and most of you can't see it. Open your eyes and do the work required to learn the truth. GOD instructs all of us to prove all things, he knows, even if you don't, that men are lying to you. They are moved by wicked spirits who will never be on the side of truth. That would be admitting that they were wrong for rebelling against their creator, and they will never do that. Be strong enough to take a stand for truth; most just go along , it's the easy thing to do.

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Jan 30, 2017 08:17:57   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
GRB777 wrote:
All of the history of WW2 is a blatant lie. Stop just accepting what others tell you to believe; do your own research. Don't believe me, prove history for yourself. You will find that all the history you have been taught is upside down. No one has ever found any real evidence of a Jewish holocaust. All of the photos you are given are of eastern Europeans; not Jews. Japan and Germany were forced into WW2 ; not what you are told. Churchill, Stalin, FDR, Ike were all war criminals. Patton was aware of all of this and was going to resign, not retire, from the Army. He was going to reveal all he knew, that's why he was murdered. Nearly 13 million Germans were slaughtered from 1945 to 1953; the real holocaust. A similar charade has been going on right in front of you and most of you can't see it. Open your eyes and do the work required to learn the truth. GOD instructs all of us to prove all things, he knows, even if you don't, that men are lying to you. They are moved by wicked spirits who will never be on the side of truth. That would be admitting that they were wrong for rebelling against their creator, and they will never do that. Be strong enough to take a stand for truth; most just go along , it's the easy thing to do.
All of the history of WW2 is a blatant lie. Stop j... (show quote)
Oh boy, here we have revisionism at its best. Been a while since I've seen history butchered so grossly. I'm wondering just what "research" you have done to come up with this load of bullshit. There's always one more idiot coming out of the holes in the wall.

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Jan 30, 2017 09:07:13   #
payne1000
 
GRB777 wrote:
All of the history of WW2 is a blatant lie. Stop just accepting what others tell you to believe; do your own research. Don't believe me, prove history for yourself. You will find that all the history you have been taught is upside down. No one has ever found any real evidence of a Jewish holocaust. All of the photos you are given are of eastern Europeans; not Jews. Japan and Germany were forced into WW2 ; not what you are told. Churchill, Stalin, FDR, Ike were all war criminals. Patton was aware of all of this and was going to resign, not retire, from the Army. He was going to reveal all he knew, that's why he was murdered. Nearly 13 million Germans were slaughtered from 1945 to 1953; the real holocaust. A similar charade has been going on right in front of you and most of you can't see it. Open your eyes and do the work required to learn the truth. GOD instructs all of us to prove all things, he knows, even if you don't, that men are lying to you. They are moved by wicked spirits who will never be on the side of truth. That would be admitting that they were wrong for rebelling against their creator, and they will never do that. Be strong enough to take a stand for truth; most just go along , it's the easy thing to do.
All of the history of WW2 is a blatant lie. Stop j... (show quote)


History most Americans don't know includes what Jewish leaders in America and Britain did to prod Hitler into war:
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html



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Jan 30, 2017 10:48:14   #
samtheyank
 
payne1000 wrote:
If it does, they should take note of this:


Trump has to operate within a system called the Constitution. The Congress and SCOTUS keep an eye on him and maintain checks and balances. The President does the samething to the Congress and Supreme Court. Hitler had absolute power and whatever he said or wanted was the policy of the day. There is a big difference. Hitler almost got Germany eradicated from the face of the Earth.

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Jan 30, 2017 10:52:13   #
samtheyank
 
payne1000 wrote:
History most Americans don't know includes what Jewish leaders in America and Britain did to prod Hitler into war:
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html


Payne you are full of scheiss. Where did you go to school? You must be one of those selftaught idiots. I think the history that was reported by Ike and others is the true version. He has the evidence to back it up.

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Jan 30, 2017 11:36:10   #
bahmer
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Hideous and sickening beyond words


How true.

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Jan 30, 2017 11:50:09   #
payne1000
 
samtheyank wrote:
Trump has to operate within a system called the Constitution. The Congress and SCOTUS keep an eye on him and maintain checks and balances. The President does the samething to the Congress and Supreme Court. Hitler had absolute power and whatever he said or wanted was the policy of the day. There is a big difference. Hitler almost got Germany eradicated from the face of the Earth.


Trump may cause all life to be eradicated from the face of the earth.

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Jan 30, 2017 11:52:11   #
payne1000
 
samtheyank wrote:
Payne you are full of scheiss. Where did you go to school? You must be one of those selftaught idiots. I think the history that was reported by Ike and others is the true version. He has the evidence to back it up.


Do you believe all written history?
Do you believe Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman?

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