Is this Obamas last blow to ISIS (Page 2): Stupid, Everyone saw the parades, that was the intent.. Those weapons were captured when the Iraq army dropped them and ran.. They were given...

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

robmull wrote:

"Keys" was a "play-on-words," comrade frosty. And I guess you never saw the ISIS "parades." They went-on for MILES!!! With brand-spankin' new AMERICAN MILITARY EQUIPMENT!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. TRUMP!!! "DRAIN THAT {RADICAL SECULAR LIBERAL "REGRESSIVE" LEFTY} SWAMP!!!"

Stupid,

Everyone saw the parades, that was the intent..

Those weapons were captured when the Iraq army dropped them and ran.. They were given to Iraq by us not to ISIS.. Iraq told us to leave, they would not allow jurisdiction of our troops to any but Iraq rules not by our own rules..

the swamp is as drained as it is going to get.. Love it or leave it..

your comrades are not me but your fellow Russia lovers...

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

JFlorio wrote:

Obama had a plan. He figured while the bad guys were looking at the red line he drew we could shoot em in the back. Unfortunately they called the girlie man's bluff.

j,

I would think you would have a better comment...

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

permafrost wrote:

Ha ha ha... At least I can chuckle at that...

Well, the entire world draws a deep collective sigh of relief that you are able to chuckle!

We must, by all means, maintain a clear sighted view of what is or is not a priority, to our nation and to the world.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

First.... my name is not "lynn".

In such a "war" there will always be civilian causalities. Do you know how many our drone strikes have killed?

The issue in Syria is not a 3 way war. If you believe that it is, then I would recommend that you do some digging into the facts and not just what Clinton News Network (CNN) puts out. The true issue is oil.... plain and simple, it boils down to Assad refusing Turkish-Qatar pipeline and the Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline. I recommend that you begin reading killary's emails, it is all in there. In a nutshell, coalition between the US, NATO, Qatar and Saudi Arabia arises just as the Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline was being discussed; the pipeline would have eventually reached Europe, and allowed Europe to diversify its reserves away from Russia- reducing Russia’s influence on Europe and allowing the US to fill the void. Another pipeline to Europe ALSO depending on Syria’s cooperation was the Qatar-Turkey pipeline. Assad refused to allow the Turkish-Qatar pipeline through his borders, ‘to protect the interests of Assad's Russian ally, which is Europe’s top supplier of natural gas.” Turkey and Saudi Arabia get pissed, and fund “rebels” (ISIS) with full support of obama. Putin finally remembered this friendship, as well as his country’s monopoly on the European market, and sends jets to bomb the “rebels”… and so the rest, as they say, is history.

Go get yourself a copy of “Unfolding the Future of the Long War” it is much more eligant than my reader's digest summation. The strategy is laid out: "Divide and Rule focuses on exploiting fault lines between the various Salafi-jihadist groups to turn them against each other and dissipate their energy on internal conflicts. This strategy relies heavily on covert action, information operations (IO), unconventional warfare, and support to indigenous security forces. … the United States and its local allies could use the nationalist jihadists (in Syria, AKA the “moderate” rebels) to launch proxy IO campaigns to discredit the transnational jihadists in the eyes of the local populace… U.S. leaders could also choose to capitalize on the ‘Sustained Shia-Sunni Conflict’ trajectory by taking the side of the conservative Sunni regimes against Shiite empowerment movements in the Muslim world…. possibly supporting authoritative Sunni governments against a continuously hostile Iran.” The entry of Russia into the conflict throws a wrench into that plan, in that it is hell-bent on destroying ISIS. Now ISIS has expanded in ways that their funders, to include the obama administration, did not predict. From this point it gets much more complicated.

permafrost wrote:

lynn, br br You are beyond redemption.. br br do... (show quote)

missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore

Another thing about civilian causalities that gets lost by those who have little or no real war
experience is how some cultures place offensive weapons in civilian areas so when countries
like Russia bomb them they cry fowl.

My coddled American countrymen have no flaming idea.

Palestine is rife with that technique and Israel is called down for bombing hospitals that have rocket launchers
in their center courtyards . Launchers that are used time after time until Israel has to do something about them.

So be it.

Pennylynn wrote:

First.... my name is not "lynn".

In such a "war" there will always be civilian causalities. Do you know

how many our drone strikes have killed?

The issue in Syria is not a 3 way war. If you believe that it is, then I would recommend that you do some digging into the facts and not just what Clinton News Network (CNN) puts out. The true issue is oil.... plain and simple, it boils down to Assad refusing Turkish-Qatar pipeline and the Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline. I recommend that you begin reading killary's emails, it is all in there. In a nutshell, coalition between the US, NATO, Qatar and Saudi Arabia arises just as the Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline was being discussed; the pipeline would have eventually reached Europe, and allowed Europe to diversify its reserves away from Russia- reducing Russia’s influence on Europe and allowing the US to fill the void. Another pipeline to Europe ALSO depending on Syria’s cooperation was the Qatar-Turkey pipeline. Assad refused to allow the Turkish-Qatar pipeline through his borders, ‘to protect the interests of Assad's Russian ally, which is Europe’s top supplier of natural gas.” Turkey and Saudi Arabia get pissed, and fund “rebels” (ISIS) with full support of obama. Putin finally remembered this friendship, as well as his country’s monopoly on the European market, and sends jets to bomb the “rebels”… and so the rest, as they say, is history.

Go get yourself a copy of “Unfolding the Future of the Long War” it is much more eligant than my reader's digest summation. The strategy is laid out: "Divide and Rule focuses on exploiting fault lines between the various Salafi-jihadist groups to turn them against each other and dissipate their energy on internal conflicts. This strategy relies heavily on covert action, information operations (IO), unconventional warfare, and support to indigenous security forces. … the United States and its local allies could use the nationalist jihadists (in Syria, AKA the “moderate” rebels) to launch proxy IO campaigns to discredit the transnational jihadists in the eyes of the local populace… U.S. leaders could also choose to capitalize on the ‘Sustained Shia-Sunni Conflict’ trajectory by taking the side of the conservative Sunni regimes against Shiite empowerment movements in the Muslim world…. possibly supporting authoritative Sunni governments against a continuously hostile Iran.” The entry of Russia into the conflict throws a wrench into that plan, in that it is hell-bent on destroying ISIS. Now ISIS has expanded in ways that their funders, to include the obama administration, did not predict. From this point it gets much more complicated.

First.... my name is not "lynn". br br ... (show quote)

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

permafrost wrote:

US B-2 bombers struck and destroyed two ISIS camps in Libya overnight, with initial estimates that over 80 militants were killed, US officials told CNN Thursday.

The mission, which was confirmed in a later Pentagon statement and is expected to be the last, short-notice military operation ordered by President Barack Obama, was approved several days ago by the President, according to sources.
"They (the ISIS fighters) posed a security threat to Libya, the region, and US national interests," Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook said in a statement. "While we are still evaluating the results of the strikes, the initial assessment indicates they were successful."
A US defense official said the militants were seen immediately beforehand carrying weapons, wearing tactical vests, holding mortars and standing in formation. The number killed was not released by the Pentagon, but the initial estimate put the figure at over 80. There were no women or children in the area, the official said.
US surveillance aircraft had been watching the sites for weeks as fighters fled from Sirte on the coastline into what they perceived to be the safety of remote desert areas. But the isolation of the area gave those surveillance aircraft clear imagery showing military-aged males in several areas, according to officials.
The two camps that were destroyed were located about 28 miles southwest of Sirte, the Pentagon said.
In addition to the B-2 bombers, unmanned aircraft also took part in the strikes, the defense official said.
The strike did not happen initially because the rudimentary camps had moved and surveillance had to be conducted again.
The B-2s heavy bombers flying from the US were planning to bomb four camps, according to initial reports. Some of the sites may have been empty, with fighters having moved again. US Navy warships equipped with Tomahawk cruise missiles were also on standby but initial reports indicate they were not needed.
The President's approval of the strike underscores in the closing hours of his administration the difficulty of targeting ISIS fighters in dozens of countries around the world. Obama has increasingly relied on armed drones, bombers and special forces on the ground to go after these types of targets in Syria and Iraq.
"We are committed to maintaining pressure on ISIL and preventing them from establishing safe haven," Cook said, using another acronym for ISIS. "These strikes will degrade ISIL's ability to stage attacks against Libyan forces and civilians working to stabilize Sirte, and demonstrate our resolve in countering the threat posed by ISIL to Libya, the United States and our allies."

US B-2 bombers struck and destroyed two ISIS camps... (show quote)

That B2 strike was purely a political act of spite. Obama never intended to defeat ISIS, and this last gasp from that cretin was meant to poke the tiger in hopes that some ISIS jihadis will pull some nasty shit in DC on inauguration day. No surprise that the security forces in DC have prepped for terror attacks. Those liberal cry baby protestors are just a nuisance, like flies, terrorism is a real threat.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Pennylynn wrote:

First.... my name is not "lynn".

In such a "war" there will always be civilian causalities. Do you know how many our drone strikes have killed?

The issue in Syria is not a 3 way war. If you believe that it is, then I would recommend that you do some digging into the facts and not just what Clinton News Network (CNN) puts out. The true issue is oil.... plain and simple, it boils down to Assad refusing Turkish-Qatar pipeline and the Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline. I recommend that you begin reading killary's emails, it is all in there. In a nutshell, coalition between the US, NATO, Qatar and Saudi Arabia arises just as the Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline was being discussed; the pipeline would have eventually reached Europe, and allowed Europe to diversify its reserves away from Russia- reducing Russia’s influence on Europe and allowing the US to fill the void. Another pipeline to Europe ALSO depending on Syria’s cooperation was the Qatar-Turkey pipeline. Assad refused to allow the Turkish-Qatar pipeline through his borders, ‘to protect the interests of Assad's Russian ally, which is Europe’s top supplier of natural gas.” Turkey and Saudi Arabia get pissed, and fund “rebels” (ISIS) with full support of obama. Putin finally remembered this friendship, as well as his country’s monopoly on the European market, and sends jets to bomb the “rebels”… and so the rest, as they say, is history.

Go get yourself a copy of “Unfolding the Future of the Long War” it is much more eligant than my reader's digest summation. The strategy is laid out: "Divide and Rule focuses on exploiting fault lines between the various Salafi-jihadist groups to turn them against each other and dissipate their energy on internal conflicts. This strategy relies heavily on covert action, information operations (IO), unconventional warfare, and support to indigenous security forces. … the United States and its local allies could use the nationalist jihadists (in Syria, AKA the “moderate” rebels) to launch proxy IO campaigns to discredit the transnational jihadists in the eyes of the local populace… U.S. leaders could also choose to capitalize on the ‘Sustained Shia-Sunni Conflict’ trajectory by taking the side of the conservative Sunni regimes against Shiite empowerment movements in the Muslim world…. possibly supporting authoritative Sunni governments against a continuously hostile Iran.” The entry of Russia into the conflict throws a wrench into that plan, in that it is hell-bent on destroying ISIS. Now ISIS has expanded in ways that their funders, to include the obama administration, did not predict. From this point it gets much more complicated.

First.... my name is not "lynn". br br ... (show quote)

lynn,

It is more than a 3 way war.. ISIS vs Assad, ISIS vs the west, a half dozen other radical Arab groups looking for power, Kurd vs Assad, Kurd vs Iraq.

and Russia killing them all if it will help Assad.

the pipelines... are you for one more then the other? do you have a stance on the pipelines?

ISIS was not created by Obama... A better case can be made that the were created when Bush was still in power..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Blade_Runner wrote:

That B2 strike was purely a political act of spite. Obama never intended to defeat ISIS, and this last gasp from that cretin was meant to poke the tiger in hopes that some ISIS jihadis will pull some nasty shit in DC on inauguration day. No surprise that the security forces in DC have prepped for terror attacks. Those liberal cry baby protestors are just a nuisance, like flies, terrorism is a real threat.

Blade,

smartin up!!!!!!

badbobby Loc: texas

well I will try again
perm that little escapade surely helped a little
but it's gonna take a whole lot more to eliminate Isis
let's see what our new President has in mind

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

badbobby wrote:

well I will try again
perm that little escapade surely helped a little
but it's gonna take a whole lot more to eliminate Isis
let's see what our new President has in mind

Sounds like a plan....

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

permafrost wrote:

lynn,

It is more than a 3 way war.. ISIS vs Assad, ISIS vs the west, a half dozen other radical Arab groups looking for power, Kurd vs Assad, Kurd vs Iraq.

and Russia killing them all if it will help Assad.

the pipelines... are you for one more then the other? do you have a stance on the pipelines?

ISIS was not created by Obama... A better case can be made that the were created when Bush was still in power..

The Historical Roots and Stages in the Development of ISIS

Stage One (2004-2006) — The establishment of the branch of Al-Qaeda in Iraq led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and called “Al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia:” It waged a terrorist-guerilla war against the American and coalition forces and against the Shi’ite population. The first stage ended when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed in an American targeted attack in June 2006.

Stage Two (2006-2011) — Establishment of the Islamic State in Iraq (ISI): ISI served as an umbrella network for several jihadi organizations that continued waging a terrorist-guerilla campaign against the United States, its coalition allies and the Shi’ite population. ISI was weakened towards the end of the American presence in Iraq following successful American military moves and a wise foreign policy that supported the Sunni population and knew how to win their hearts and minds.

Stage Three (2012-June 2014) — The strengthening of ISI and the founding of ISIS: After the American army withdrew from Iraq ISI became stronger. Following the outbreak of the Syrian civil war ISI established a branch in Syria called the Al-Nusra Front (“support front”). Dissension broke out between ISI and its Syrian branch, leading to a rift between ISI and Al-Qaeda and the establishment of the Islamic State in Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS).

Stage Four (as of June 2014) — Dramatic ISIS military achievements: The most prominent was the takeover of Mosul, the second largest city in Iraq. At the same time ISIS established its control in eastern Syria where it set up a governmental center (its “capital city”) in Al-Raqqah. In the wake of its success, ISIS declared the establishment of an “Islamic State” (IS) (or “Islamic Caliphate”) headed by an ISIS leader named Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. In September 2014 the United States declared a comprehensive campaign against ISIS, which is currently waging a fierce struggle against its many enemies both at home and abroad.

bdamage Loc: My Bunker

permafrost wrote:

US B-2 bombers struck and destroyed two ISIS camps in Libya overnight, with initial estimates that over 80 militants were killed, US officials told CNN Thursday.

The mission, which was confirmed in a later Pentagon statement and is expected to be the last, short-notice military operation ordered by President Barack Obama, was approved several days ago by the President, according to sources.
"They (the ISIS fighters) posed a security threat to Libya, the region, and US national interests," Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook said in a statement. "While we are still evaluating the results of the strikes, the initial assessment indicates they were successful."
A US defense official said the militants were seen immediately beforehand carrying weapons, wearing tactical vests, holding mortars and standing in formation. The number killed was not released by the Pentagon, but the initial estimate put the figure at over 80. There were no women or children in the area, the official said.
US surveillance aircraft had been watching the sites for weeks as fighters fled from Sirte on the coastline into what they perceived to be the safety of remote desert areas. But the isolation of the area gave those surveillance aircraft clear imagery showing military-aged males in several areas, according to officials.
The two camps that were destroyed were located about 28 miles southwest of Sirte, the Pentagon said.
In addition to the B-2 bombers, unmanned aircraft also took part in the strikes, the defense official said.
The strike did not happen initially because the rudimentary camps had moved and surveillance had to be conducted again.
The B-2s heavy bombers flying from the US were planning to bomb four camps, according to initial reports. Some of the sites may have been empty, with fighters having moved again. US Navy warships equipped with Tomahawk cruise missiles were also on standby but initial reports indicate they were not needed.
The President's approval of the strike underscores in the closing hours of his administration the difficulty of targeting ISIS fighters in dozens of countries around the world. Obama has increasingly relied on armed drones, bombers and special forces on the ground to go after these types of targets in Syria and Iraq.
"We are committed to maintaining pressure on ISIL and preventing them from establishing safe haven," Cook said, using another acronym for ISIS. "These strikes will degrade ISIL's ability to stage attacks against Libyan forces and civilians working to stabilize Sirte, and demonstrate our resolve in countering the threat posed by ISIL to Libya, the United States and our allies."

US B-2 bombers struck and destroyed two ISIS camps... (show quote)

He blew ISIS!?!?

Man, I don't know.....even for him, that's a lot of dudes frosty.

missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore

He could handle it. Turkish bath trained you know.

bdamage wrote:

He blew ISIS!?!?

Man, I don't know.....even for him, that's a lot of dudes frosty.

bdamage Loc: My Bunker

missinglink wrote:

He could handle it. Turkish bath trained you know.

Ahh....that explains it.
One never seems to run out of ISIS in one of those Turkish places, eh?

missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore

No no no. I wasn't referring to their bath house as being an ISIS hangout . No sir .
That's were he learned how to handle so many in short order. Where he developed
those muscled jowls .

bdamage wrote:

Ahh....that explains it.
One never seems to run out of ISIS in one of those Turkish places, eh?