emarine

Alex... to equate the words jealously and inequality at this point in time is a cheep shot.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

the only inequality is liberals are born without an equal share of intelligence and we can only try to educate them but little chance of sucess

Fred Schnaubelt Loc: San Diego

Emarine, you write, “Anything that redistributes something from one to another is a form of socialism.... The US Military... The US Government.... State and local Government...police...fire... “The poor did not ruin America no matter how many times the wealthy want to say it.

You seem to confuse the Bureaucratic Management of certain functions of government under Capitalism (Free Enterprise) with Socialism. The reason people form governments is to protect citizens against the law of the jungle, protect them from the biggest and the baddest in any society. Government is indispensable in enabling a capitalistic society to function. Under Capitalism, it is government’s fundamental obligation to protect the people from predators, both foreign and domestic, protect private property, and to invoke a common system of justice to prevent never ending revenge killings, e.g., the Hatfields & McCoys, Sunni & Shia, etc.

Socialism is the full government control of the economic factors of production, land, labor and capital. An offshoot, The Welfare State distributes the proceeds derived from the factors of production.

Please name one wealthy American, that has said the “The poor ruined America.” Since America is the wealthiest nation in the history of the world and has the richest poor people in the world you should be able to name hundreds of people who have said “the poor ruined America” if you want to maintain any semblance of credibility.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

If you need to believe that to get though the day I say you don't fit in with those you say have no intelligence.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

it's not a need of mine but a lack of your's

emarine

Excellent points Fred...You seem to look at.... form of socialism... and... socialism... as the same .The wealthy Americans you seek are right here ... constantly blaming the poor for their problems... food stamps... unemployment insurance... welfare...National debt.... In a capitalist society why do we give large sums of money to the wealthy capitalists.. socialist redistribution of tax money by bureaucrats ... We spend trillions on our Military to protect who...the American people or The Large Corporations who need other country's resource's to profit .
Corporate fascism and Corporatism is related to the sociological concept of structural functionalism.[5] Corporate social interaction is common within kinship groups such as families, clans and ethnicities.[6] Aside from humans, certain animal species are known to exhibit strong corporate social organization, such as penguins.[7][8] Corporatist types of community and social interaction are common to many ideologies, including: absolutism, capitalism, conservatism, fascism, liberalism, progressivism, reactionism, socialism, and syndicalism.[9]

Corporatism may also refer to economic tripartism involving negotiations between business, labour, and state interest groups to establish economic policy.[10] This is sometimes also referred to as neo-corporation


Socialism
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.


synonyms: leftism, welfarism;


radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;

communism, Marxism, labor movement

"my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
We are ever evolving into the unknown.. there are many other possible forms in our future not listed .

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

The words you use to put this issue forward was a good choice.

If one wishes to convey an idea to some one with different views the choice of words is all important.

Well put!

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Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

I have been around long enough to know that it is not the best & brightest that have the most power in the world today.

You choose to follow those that have caused the most problems.

ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa

Floyd: The problem is not words.... Its the understanding of the words! The ability to get to the truth......and then understand who is trying to communicate their agenda! I think your statement must be rewritten " If one wishes to convey an idea to some one with different views understanding where that person is coming from is much much more important!

Fred Schnaubelt Loc: San Diego

"Where that person is coming from," or as Rabbi Gold once said (and others) who you are screams so loud I can't hear what you are saying.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

I sorry but no matter how you look at it it is still the words that convey the idea.

Just look around on this forum & you will see people judge you not by your words but by where they think you are coming from.

I say an idea must be presented with words that center on the idea with out showing where it is coming from.

Judge the idea by what it says not by where it comes from.

Fred Schnaubelt Loc: San Diego

Floyd, I thought I wrote this earlier in the office but maybe not. Rabbi Gold ( and others) said. "Who you are screams so loudly I can't hear what you are saying." More in depth is a book, I think the title is: It's not what you say, it's what they hear, Working With Words.

ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa

When you walk in someone's shoe....your not understanding where it is coming from but why!!!!!!!!!! That is the important issue. Not where but why!

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

The words you used are a bit hard to get the true feeling of what you are saying.

I was stating using words from my point of view & you are pointing out the need as I get it is to view their words for why they say what they say.

Of course that is what we need to feel as important.

Fred Schnaubelt Loc: San Diego

To Liberals and Conservatives the same words have different meanings. Liberals and Conservatives think differently, process concepts differently and arrive at different conclusions. (Parenthetically, lawyers and real estate brokers use words that have different meanings in their trade than what the same words mean to people not in the same businesses, probably the same thing in medicine). There is a free chapter on this at Romancing The Voters.com One reason it is difficult to communicate between Liberals and Conservatives.