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"Registeration" can only be PROOF OF INTENT TO INFRINGE ON POSSESSION RIGHTS. double talk to mislead the unwary. A common tactic of communists!

Sons of Liberty Loc: look behind you!

[quote=Loki]Put down the bong and try to keep up. First, let us start with "parse

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/parse



Definition of parse
parsedparsing
transitive verb
1
a : to resolve (as a sentence) into component parts of speech and describe them grammatically
b : to describe grammatically by stating the part of speech and explaining the inflection and syntactical relationships
2
: to examine in a minute way : analyze critically <having trouble parsing … explanations for dwindling market shares — R. S. Anson>

Now then, let us continue with the definition of "well-regulated" according to the Oxford Dictionary IN THE CONTEXT, IN THE CONTEXT IN THE CONTEXT IN THE CONTEXT of the meaning of the adjectival phrase in the 18th century WHEN THE AMENDMENT WAS WRITTEN.


The meaning of the phrase "well-regulated" in the 2nd amendment

From: Brian T. Halonen <halonen@csd.uwm.edu>

The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

I am getting tiresome because I am tired of wasting my time trying to penetrate the impenetrable barrier of your deliberate ignorance.

As we proceed further along on our safari into your deliberately misinformed opinion, you stated the following:

"It is very much in contention, if not a proven fact, that it was not "intended as an individual right."

To answer this tripe, I will, ONCE MORE, post the comments of the men who WROTE THE DAMN AMENDMENT. I realize you are ever so much smarter than them, so much that you know what they meant to say better than they themselves did, but here are some of the poor misguided, not in agreement with Dr Dross opinions of the Founders.







"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776



"I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778


"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

[i]"To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788




“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
- St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803

"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves."
- Thomas Paine, "Thoughts on Defensive War" in Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833

We are all comforted beyond all reasonable expectations to realize that you are so much smarter than the men who wrote the laws governing our nation. Whatever would we do without you?[/quote]





You can preach this to them til you're blue in the face and they'll still never get it.
Awesome post Loki!

Randy131 Loc: Florida

90% of the gun murders in the USA are done by people who already have felony records, according to national FBI statistics, which makes it against the law for them to own or possess a gun, but law enforcement can't stop them from doing so and murdering people. So what makes you think that the USA will be safer if you are also allowed to make it illegal for law abiding citizens to own or possess a gun, which they are known to use to protect themselves, their families and friends, and anyone else in their vicinity who is threatened by a felon? Whenever a law enforcement agent is really needed, they are always 15 minutes away, keep good crime statistics, but are never around when the crimes are committed, but only after they are committed, which does no good for the dead person that is killed by a felon.

pafret Loc: Northeast

As usual, your logic is specious. You need to look up the meaning of the terms "breach or infraction of; violate or transgress" or simply look at the transitive verb meaning where it clearly states "violates law or the rights of another". If an infringement is a violation of my RIGHTS and the topic is my possession of weapons then yes, I have an unrestricted right to keep and bear arms.

The militia was defined by the founding father's writings and in a 1786 law as the people, and more specifically all able bodied males between the ages of 18 and 45 years. The regulation enters the topic when the militia is called out by the governing authority to defend the state. It was expected that structure (regulation) of leadership would be defined by the leaders of the community. The right to keep and bear arms is definitely a God given right and was expected to be the case for everyone.

The topic of background checks produced this example of the longest oxymoron I have ever seen "background check does not infringe on the right to keep and bear arms by the individual citizen, which is not a right".

Great thinking, a RIGHT is not a RIGHT!. I marvel at your ability to hold two opposing views at the same moment and believe that both are true.

bylm1-Bernie

You are fighting a losing battle, my friend. Why don't you just give up and let those who know what they are talking about decide this issue which has already been decided but is being assaulted by the left. You are hopeless.

reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.

Pete , I gotta give it to you ,, WELL DONE ! Your ability to adapt to the conservative mind set is amazing !! How on earth can you adapt so easy from queer to conservative and read our minds , DUDE you should go to Vegas and put David Blaine out of shoe business .. Yep,, I said SHOE because you should stick to fashion cause you damn sure can't read minds .

Rivers

Typical liberal bent interpretation of the second amendment. From my cold dead hands....asshole.

reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.

Dr. dross , let me put it this way .. At this point I really do not give a damn if you libs declared the Constitution and Bill of Rights null and void ..

zillaorange

the "Well Regulated" you state merely means, in order, nothing more !!! I'll use the American Legion as an example ! The organization is well structured with people familiar with , SOPS, military mindset, the chain of command and so forth ! You also have the "Veterans Of Foreign Wars", familiar with the previously mentioned attributes & a LARGE NUMBER of VETS, who've actually lived through the ACTUAL EXPERIENCED of COMBAT ! As far as I'm concerned not only does that get your, "well regulated". YA GET THE ADDED BENE OF TRAINED CAPABLE PEOPLE, TA BOOT !!!!! stop getting your "info from the Net, & read a BOOK !!!

zillaorange

say what ?????

missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore

Please stop invoking the scene of Hobbit Dancers in my head by mentioning it.
Every time I read it in your post I stop dead in my tracks and visualize the scene
with these twittering far left clowns dancing among them.
It's very disruptive . Extremely comical but very disruptive.

missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore

Read a book ! Read a book you say ! How last century . When moonbats do actually read ,
it's books and articles by other moonbats. This gives them the warm and fuzzies . .
Kind of like a mental trip to their safe places . Kind of like they felt in those early childhood
newly washed booted jammies with the emergency flap in the back .

JW

Most would qualify, either through military or civilian training or having been guided by parents who were trained properly. A gun/rifle is not a toy nor is it a do-it-yourself acquisition like a radio or a mechanical pencil. A weapon, any weapon, can as easily destroy the wielder as a target. That is the very first thing anyone learns holding one, whether through instruction or experience.

Most are properly/competently trained. Training in the use of weapons is a matter of eventual self-preservation and everyone who handles one understands that, sooner or later. Is teaching or learning anything an infringement other than on a student's time?

zillaorange

LOL ! if it gets 1 to stop believing the "Truth On The Net", then the suggestion will have worked !

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Hey everyone, where did "Dr" Dross go?

Emergency room from a full-on seizure after so many of us posted "Facts" and "Empirical evidence ".

This is the behavior we experience from these brain dead leftist the minute a conversation /debate moves to "facts & evidence ".

Boggles the mind how difficult it must be to have leftist / liberal ideologies and beliefs built with straw and on sand.