Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ

I can agree with you more on that statement.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

That wasn't a rebuttal, payne, nor was it an insult. When you have no valid response, you fall back on your "anonymity" meme. Evading the substance of any opposing response is an epic fail. Pure deflection.

Do you have any idea of how many of the videos you have linked to that we have watched? We actually took the time to view many of the conspiracy's videos. I have actually watched far more of them than you have linked to. Why do we take the time? To what end? The answer is simple. It allows us to make an informed and credible comment on what we have seen.

I can guarantee that the Naudet brothers' 9/11 documentary is genuine. In its entirely, it is an unscripted, impromptu, raw and real time video account of 9/11 from the perspective of one FDNY firehouse. It is reality on tape, payne, and if you think that you can brush it away as a pack of lies while refusing to view it, then you have no ground whatsoever to question anyone's integrity and the credibility of their responses and comments.

Only if you watch 9/11 will anything you say about it carry any weight.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Yo, E-bro, Louie, I'm sure you guys have long known who and what we are dealing with here. payne is a man completely wrapped in the chains of conspiracies, he is an inmate in a conspiracy prison. Everything to him is a Zionist conspiracy--FDR and Pearl Harbor, the assassination of JFK, the Nazi Holocaust, the Apollo moon landings, you name it. Hell, I bet that if we were discussing the Battle of Rorkes Drift or the eruption of Krakatoa that payne would claim they were Zionist conspiracies. He has never posted anything on this forum that wasn't either directly or tangentially connected to a conspiracy, even hijacking threads to insert his conspiracy propaganda. In the best definition of the word, the man is a moron. He is one of the most dishonest reprobates I've ever encountered.

What we have here is an eternal ping pong game with no one keeping score. Might be advisable to just let payne stew alone in his cell. The only way he will ever get out is if the Zionist who has the key unlocks the door.

Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ

As for this subject, I agree with you whole heartedly. There is no use to keep posting the truth for him to see. He will not look at it.

payne1000

Why do you constantly have to use a trick word in your replies? Do you think readers here are that easily tricked?

payne1000

OK show us your guarantee that the Naudet Brothers' documentary is genuine. You say it is genuine but that is not a guarantee.
What do you have which guarantees it's validity?

payne1000

More insults and lies from one who is too much of a coward to put his name on the lies he posts here.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Antisemitism

Antisemitism is a starting place for trying to understand the tragedy that would befall countless numbers of people during the Holocaust.

Throughout history Jews have faced prejudice and discrimination, known as antisemitism. Driven nearly two thousand years ago by the Romans from the land now called Israel, they spread throughout the globe and tried to retain their unique beliefs and culture while living as a minority. In some countries Jews were welcomed, and they enjoyed long periods of peace with their neighbors. In European societies where the population was primarily Christian, Jews found themselves increasingly isolated as outsiders. Jews do not share the Christian belief that Jesus is the Son of God, and many Christians considered this refusal to accept Jesus' divinity as arrogant. For centuries the Church taught that Jews were responsible for Jesus' death, not recognizing, as most historians do today, that Jesus was executed by the Roman government because officials viewed him as a political threat to their rule. Added to religious conflicts were economic ones. Rulers placed restrictions on Jews, barring them from holding certain jobs and from owning land.

At the same time, since the early Church did not permit usury (lending money at interest), Jews came to fill the vital (but unpopular) role of moneylenders for the Christian majority. In more desperate times, Jews became scapegoats for many problems people suffered. For example, they were blamed for causing the "Black Death," the plague that killed thousands of people throughout Europe during the Middle Ages. In Spain in the 1400s, Jews were forced to convert to Christianity, leave the country, or be executed. In Russia and Poland in the late 1800s the government organized or did not prevent violent attacks on Jewish neighborhoods, called pogroms, in which mobs murdered Jews and looted their homes and stores.

As ideas of political equality and freedom spread in western Europe during the 1800s, Jews became almost equal citizens under the law. At the same time, however, new forms of antisemitism emerged. European leaders who wanted to establish colonies in Africa and Asia argued that whites were superior to other races and therefore had to spread and take over the "weaker" and "less civilized" races. Some writers applied this argument to Jews, too, mistakenly defining Jews as a race of people called Semites who shared common blood and physical features.

This kind of racial antisemitism meant that Jews remained Jews by race even if they converted to Christianity. Some politicians began using the idea of racial superiority in their campaigns as a way to get votes. Karl Lueger (1844-1910) was one such politician. He became Mayor of Vienna, Austria, at the end of the century through the use of antisemitism -- he appealed to voters by blaming Jews for bad economic times. Lueger was a hero to a young man named Adolf Hitler, who was born in Austria in 1889. Hitler's ideas, including his views of Jews, were shaped during the years he lived in Vienna, where he studied Lueger's tactics and the antisemitic newspapers and pamphlets that multiplied during Lueger's long rule.

payne1000

As usual, you don't give a source for your Zionist propaganda.

Did you know that Zionism is the main cause of all anti-Semitism in the world and that Zionism profits from anti-Semitism?

emarine

Ok fine... you don't like the term "anti Semitism"... no problems mate...I'll start calling a Jew bashing putz again...

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

When you have watched the documentary in its entirety, get back to us.

In the mean time, in the years since 9/11, the Naudet brothers have been in contact with the firefighters they were with on that day. Throughout the years since 9/11, the Naudet brothers, James Hanlon, Chief Pfiefer, and a number of the firefighters in the film have appeared on numerous TV news shows for interviews about their experiences.

Families of firefighters who were lost that day saw their loved one in the film, even in some cases briefly, and they asked Jules Naudet if he would provide a video clip and any information he might have on the assignment their firefighter was given. Jules agreed and spent many hours going through the entire video archive. With the assistance of NY firefighters, family members and others, Jules identified every member of the FDNY that appeared, even for a moment, in the film, and produced a memorial DVD for every family member who requested one. (Chief Pfiefer's brother, lieutenant Kevin Pfiefer of Engine 33, was killed in the North Tower collapse. He was engaged in getting all the men out after the "Mayday" call was made.)

In addition, the Naudet brothers revisited the subject of 9/11 in a production titled 9/11: Ten Years Later. In this production, they document the lives of the men of Engine 7/Ladder 1 as they were in 2011. Two of the firefighters are dead. They succumbed to cancer from breathing the toxic dust. Tony Benatatos, the young probie who was the subject of the original documentary is now a husband and father and is an FDNY lieutenant with the department's hazardous material squad.

The idea that the Naudet brothers and James Hanlon were hired by your phantom conspirators to film this is as ludicrous as the claims you make about a single photograph.

Since you refuse to view the film, as you have refused to review 100% of the information we provide, you have no context with which to criticize, condemn, or level accusations. If you will not watch the documentary from beginning to end, by default, any comments, opinions, or criticisms you make about it are invalid. And you have the nerve to challenge the credibility of anyone here who sees things differently than you.

I don't believe it is possible, payne, that you will ever undergo a transformation through which you will become an honest and principled man. You are obviously stuck forever in the fictional world of conspiracy theories--all of which are driven by anti-Semitism.

payne1000

But you can't show where I have bashed any Jews.

Did Jews commit these crimes or was it Zionists?

emarine

So putz...you haven't figured it out yet that all Jews are Zionists except the anti Zionists Jews ... who for the most part are still waiting for their Messiah to lead them back to their home land of Israel... Then there are the neo Nazis who hide behind anti Zionism like Arab terrorists hide behind children... if there is anything lower than being a putz... its an unjust putz who seeks world pity for Arab murderers...

payne1000

The transformation which you must undergo to become an honest and principled man is simple. Reveal your identity. Until you do, you are a coward who hides behind anonymity in order to post lies and insults.