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Dec 3, 2016 21:13:04   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
[quote=Mr Bombastic]Unlike you, I'm willing to give him a chance and actually wait to see what he does. I know exactly what Hillary would do. That's why I voted for Trump. Tell me. Be honest. Do you really believe that I should have voted for the bitch, instead of Trump? If so, then I have absolutely no respect for you.[/quote

Whether you respect me or not is of little consequence. As always though, I respect everyone's right to express their opinions whether I agree with them or not.

And on the topic of Trump and most of his cabinet picks I'm afraid you and I will likely never agree.

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Dec 3, 2016 21:16:05   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
First off he hasn't gone back on any promises. He's not President yet. Second I voted for him because I am a never Hillary person. I don't think Trump was ever cozy with Wall Street like the Clintons. He never got paid by them. He owes them nothing. You are now starting to be no different then the whiney left. You lost. Try seeing what he will do before calling him a liar. He's already made cabinet picks I absolutely am 100% behind. If he lowers taxes, cuts government spending, appoints conservatives to the Supreme Court slows or stops illegal immigration and rebuilds our military I will be a Trump fan. If not I will call him out and do all in my power to elect someone else in four years. Why is it we Conservatives have been lied to before Trump can or cannot keep his promises as president but you liberals were lied to along with the rest of us by Obama but that's o.k.. You people are disgusting hypocrites.
PaulPisces wrote:
I just want to be certain I understand you correctly.

You seem to be saying Trump and his insiders can straighten things out but Hillary as an insider would have been unable to. Am I getting that right?

If you voted for Trump this time I hate to tell you it is too late to withdraw that one. He's gone back on all his promises he gave you when he wanted your vote; what makes you think he will keep any new promises he makes now that he will be president?

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Dec 3, 2016 22:41:20   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
PaulPisces wrote:
I just want to be certain I understand you correctly.

You seem to be saying Trump and his insiders can straighten things out but Hillary as an insider would have been unable to. Am I getting that right?

If you voted for Trump this time I hate to tell you it is too late to withdraw that one. He's gone back on all his promises he gave you when he wanted your vote; what makes you think he will keep any new promises he makes now that he will be president?



With Jeff Sessions as Attorney General, I think he will keep a large portion of his promises vis-a-vis illegal aliens. Withdrawing from the TPP, re-negotiating NAFTA and scrapping the disastrous Iran nuclear agreement will probably be on his kept promises list. Either scrapping or fixing the ACA looks to be in the works. also. Quite frankly, even keeping one of these promises would justify my vote.

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Dec 3, 2016 22:56:28   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Maybe, it was because Trump promised to return the Government to the people - and they mistakenly believed they were part of the "people" Trump was referring to. Trump didn't lie, he just let you think he meant you - instead of HIS people, which is what he obviously meant. Yeah, it's liberals with the perception problem.


Do you Kabboodle? When you make some sense, then I will.

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Dec 4, 2016 07:39:43   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Trump is hardly in the same club as Hillary, she has never held a job outside of government since 1982. Trump has been in private business since the 70's, not hardly the same.




PaulPisces wrote:
I just want to be certain I understand you correctly.

You seem to be saying Trump and his insiders can straighten things out but Hillary as an insider would have been unable to. Am I getting that right?

If you voted for Trump this time I hate to tell you it is too late to withdraw that one. He's gone back on all his promises he gave you when he wanted your vote; what makes you think he will keep any new promises he makes now that he will be president?

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Dec 4, 2016 08:33:19   #
Rivers
 
PaulPisces wrote:
I just want to be certain I understand you correctly.

You seem to be saying Trump and his insiders can straighten things out but Hillary as an insider would have been unable to. Am I getting that right?

If you voted for Trump this time I hate to tell you it is too late to withdraw that one. He's gone back on all his promises he gave you when he wanted your vote; what makes you think he will keep any new promises he makes now that he will be president?


"He's gone back on all his promises he gave"??????? What promises has he broken, other than some of his nominations? Please list. He is appointing/naming doers, people who know how to get things done. Hillary would have nominated cronies, oh, and don't forget all those paybacks over Pay-To-Play, and all those favors owed to foreign entities. Hillary would have been an unmitigated disaster.

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Dec 4, 2016 09:42:08   #
vettelover Loc: Richmond Va
 
PaulPisces wrote:
It seems to me that on the topic of the economic well-being of the middle class Trump has hired the wolves to guard the henhouse:

- Secretary of the Treasury - Steven Mnuchin
Former Goldman Sachs executive. Investment banker, hedge fund founder. Partnered with George Soros to buy bankrupt lender IndyMac in 2009 for $1.6 billion, renamed it OneWest, and proceeded to foreclose on 16,220 federally insured reverse mortgages, which as you my know are largely held by older and retired people. And a Hollywood producer to boot (in a company that went bankrupt)

- Commerce Secretary - Wilbur Ross
Worked for 24 years for Rothschild bankers, widely touted by the far right as overlords of financial manipulation. Founded the International Coal Group, leveraging bankruptcy regulations to allow him to set it up free of labor unions, health care and pensions (how is this helpful to the miners of West Virginia???!!!)



As to the wealth of his other cabinet picks my personal, liberal view is that I do not care a whit that they are filthy rich. I just am flabbergasted that someone who ran on the idea that the oligarchic running of our country by wealthy elites was a bad thing, has consistently tapped that same group to continue their unfettered picking of the american pocket.

And I am saddened that those who elected Trump still, for some reason I do not understand, think these people will alter the system that made them very rich indeed, all at the expense of middle and poor Americans.
It seems to me that on the topic of the economic w... (show quote)


I will agree with you on Mnuchin and Ross. I am tired of the 2% (the tribe) continuing to run our monetary and political policies, specifically our money.

Obama has inflicted another $10 Trillion in debt and our has expanded the globalist warmongering all over the world. The dollar requires perpetual war and there seems to be no end in sight. Afghanistan is now 15 years old and I did not hear a damn word word from either candidate on solutions. It appears our government is more interested in protecting the American poppy crop than bringing forward solutions to end this human meat grinder. Now we have American kids dying in Syria and Obama is using American warplanes against Assad government facilities. We also are back in Iraq. I see no end in sight, if anything, I see massive escalation!

Nothing is going to change for any of us until we stop issuing Federal Reserve notes and return to a constitutionally sound program for our trade. Only death and destruction will be the end game for our fractional fiat banking system.

The hands that loan the money will always be above the hands thst take the money.

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Dec 4, 2016 10:57:49   #
vettelover Loc: Richmond Va
 
JFlorio wrote:
Yet you were for Hillary Clinton who made millions speaking to the Wall Street crowd and has always been an insider and yet you thought she would alter the system. Since I never was a Trump fan, more a never Hillary person I will be one of the first to vote against him if he goes back on his word. Banking and SEC financial regulations are so onerous and complicated that it might actually take an insider to straighten things out. I noticed under the current administration the insiders' and one per centers did better than ever and none of the mortgage culprits went to jail. Mnuchin has already impressed me with two of his opinions. He said cutting taxes is not the answer unless you cut government spending also. His other opinion I whole heartedly agree with is too dismantle most of the Dodd-Frank bill.
Yet you were for Hillary Clinton who made millions... (show quote)


They already dismantled most of Dodd Frank in the 2014 Omnibus bill. The Too Big Too Fail banks are back to their massive derivatives once again. Dodd Frank was all smoke and mirrors to begin with. All bark, no bite! The banks are so upside down, when the bonds begin to lose their collaterial value, we will see a financial avalanche of insolvencies never seen before in the world. It will dwarf all other financial events. Any financial tightening by the Fed or any negative geopolitical event could set off a dominoe effect with the markets.

On the other hand, if the Fed does NOT raise rates on Dec 14th, Santa will come early to Wall Street. I just do not see TPTB raising rates on hundreds of trillions of public and corporate debt until they are prepared to deal with the consequences. There is absolutely nothing norminal about our markets today. We will see soon enough??

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Dec 4, 2016 11:16:03   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
That Obama's going away present, he has forced rates low as not to pay millions out just in SS benefits. Rates will raise at least a point maybe two.



vettelover wrote:
They already dismantled most of Dodd Frank in the 2014 Omnibus bill. The Too Big Too Fail banks are back to their massive derivatives once again. Dodd Frank was all smoke and mirrors to begin with. All bark, no bite! The banks are so upside down, when the bonds begin to lose their collaterial value, we will see a financial avalanche of insolvencies never seen before in the world. It will dwarf all other financial events. Any financial tightening by the Fed or any negative geopolitical event could set off a dominoe effect with the markets.

On the other hand, if the Fed does NOT raise rates on Dec 14th, Santa will come early to Wall Street. I just do not see TPTB raising rates on hundreds of trillions of public and corporate debt until they are prepared to deal with the consequences. There is absolutely nothing norminal about our markets today. We will see soon enough??
They already dismantled most of Dodd Frank in the ... (show quote)

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Dec 4, 2016 11:23:40   #
vettelover Loc: Richmond Va
 
bmac32 wrote:
That Obama's going away present, he has forced rates low as not to pay millions out just in SS benefits. Rates will raise at least a point maybe two.


Yes, it is. This appears to be the new trend for outgoing Administrations. Clinton hands Bush the Dot Com bubble. Bush hands Obama the Sub-prime bubble. Obama will hand Trump the Everything Bubble.

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Dec 4, 2016 11:32:33   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
It was under the bubble created by the Dodd-Franks will and democrats had the vote to push that through.



vettelover wrote:
Yes, it is. This appears to be the new trend for outgoing Administrations. Clinton hands Bush the Dot Com bubble. Bush hands Obama the Sub-prime bubble. Obama will hand Trump the Everything Bubble.

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Dec 4, 2016 11:46:15   #
vettelover Loc: Richmond Va
 
bmac32 wrote:
It was under the bubble created by the Dodd-Franks will and democrats had the vote to push that through.


Correct but remember, in December of 2014, the GOP controlled the House, the Democrats controlled the Senate and Obama signed it prior to the Senate flip due to the mid-terms. This proves my point that they are all in on it together. I love when the liberals blab about the GOP blocking Obama's agenda. If you read the appropriation bills over the years, the GOP gave Obama and the Democrat party everything they wanted. The House funded Obamacare, the Muslim refugees, work visas for the illegals, blocked the military's full payraise, along with sticking to our military for higher prescription cost and graduating higher taxes and we still run Trillion dollar deficits. The Republicans hardly did anything to defund Obama's "Transformation" agenda. Its all a freaking reality show thanks to the deep states MSM.

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Dec 4, 2016 12:32:38   #
Kazudy
 
Ain't that the truth! Right on man.

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Dec 4, 2016 13:12:22   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
But let's not forget the mandates that Obama preformed.



vettelover wrote:
Correct but remember, in December of 2014, the GOP controlled the House, the Democrats controlled the Senate and Obama signed it prior to the Senate flip due to the mid-terms. This proves my point that they are all in on it together. I love when the liberals blab about the GOP blocking Obama's agenda. If you read the appropriation bills over the years, the GOP gave Obama and the Democrat party everything they wanted. The House funded Obamacare, the Muslim refugees, work visas for the illegals, blocked the military's full payraise, along with sticking to our military for higher prescription cost and graduating higher taxes and we still run Trillion dollar deficits. The Republicans hardly did anything to defund Obama's "Transformation" agenda. Its all a freaking reality show thanks to the deep states MSM.
Correct but remember, in December of 2014, the GO... (show quote)

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Dec 4, 2016 13:26:06   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Mr Bombastic wrote:
Liberals are all riled up about the fact that several of Trumps appointees are wealthy. Why weren't they complaining about all the rich people Obama appointed? Oh. That's right. They were liberals, so it's OK. Liberalism is a mental disorder, and this proves it.


Mr Bombastic, you sound a bit like KHH1. Hmmm. I could be wrong I guess.

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