susanblange Loc: USA

I am not a Christian and there will be three judgments by fire. Each is called "Day of the Lord". The first is VWD Day. It stands for Vengeance, Wrath, and Destruction. All of the Messiah's enemies will be cut off. Psalm 37:20, Psalm 97:3. The second Day of the Lord I call "Judgment Day" because 97% of earth's inhabitants will be cut off. This will include those who have committed a deadly sin or who will not repent. Isaiah 24:6. The third will occur at the time of the resurrection, and all remaining idolaters and non-believers will be affected. Zechariah 14:12.

Dr.Dross

Loki, are you really wanting to say if you disagree--get lost! The Left has no legitimate voice? We only speak incestual agreement among the tribe here at OPP? Join or die? No debate? No counter-point? I find it hard to believe that you are actually advocating doing away with Free Speech. You are an intelligent person and did not get that way without challenges to your thinking? You want to do away with such challenges and get all Yes Men? Your attitude really throws me for a lope and spirals into despair.

Dr.Dross

Always?

Dr.Dross

How about the Trump incited burning of mosques, beatings of Mexicans and Muslims and Gays? Lawful? Any number of peaceful protests by liberals, such as Kent State, can be made "a riot." Selma, for instance.

Dr.Dross

Arguments against slavery were, as demonstrated in my post, millennia old: it was not a new concept confronting our Founding Fathers. Abortion is accepted in this society: conscience is overruled? Hey, whatsher name did it, so we are good to go, right? Is Jesus the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow? Are these so-called Christian Founding Fathers somehow exempt from that? If raping your infant daughter was approved, could I judge the people of another era by the standards of this one? What are you freaking nuts? Do you know how stupid and outlandish you sound? I am greatly surprised. An apologist for slavery: who'd a thunk it. Anyone who owned slaves knew how barbaric the system had become, not that it wasn't barbaric in the best of times. You hold the outrageous and ridiculous opinion their terrible choice to keep slaves is somehow excused because it was "another era." But anti-slavery notions were as much a part of that era and had been for centuries before, as I showed. There is no excuse! It was simply unconscionable. But they did it! One day walking the fields and talking with the slaves would have been enough for any decent man to know it was wrong. But they continued! Again, abortion is the common practice of this era: are we somehow excused it is wrong?

Gatsby

Homestead

[quote=Loki]Spare me. You have quoted window dressing after window dressing. [i]Ashoka abolishes slave trade but not slavery." Right. Qin dynasty substitutes serfdom for slavery. What 's the diff? It's a little harder to sell a serf?

Your other examples are equally underwhelming. You can own slaves of a different religion? Spare me.
The "rebellious English colonies" began abolishing slavery as industrialization became more profitable. I explained that. The importation of slaves into this country was abolished in 1807. You might be interested to know that Abraham Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation freed only certain slaves in certain states. Slavery continued in four northern states until December of 1865. England did not outlaw and abolish slavery until 1833. My point is that slavery existed and was a normal part of life since history began being recorded. Your cherry picked "examples" of exceptions do not change this. Muslims can own slaves as long as they are not Muslims? Diotto for Christians owning Christians and Jews owning Jews? What are you trying to prove? That you can grasp at straws? Every people and every civilization has practiced slavery.

One more thing; what is this bullsh*t about "white apology?" How about the millions of blacks in Equatorial Africa who were enslaved by other blacks and sold to white traders? Is that a "Black apology?" Do you realize that almost every single slave transported from Africa to North America was already a slave, made so by other blacks? Do you realize that 140 years after slavery was abolished in every white ruled country that it was still practiced in Black Africa and in Muslim countries?
You have copied and pasted a load of crap that means nothing. Slavery existed and was considered normal through most of the world's history by most of the world's people, and the number of slaves held in the United States was less than one percent of the worldwide total.[/quote]
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Abraham Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation only freed certain slaves, because the federal government had no authority to outlaw or legalize slavery. No such power was given to the federal government.

What Lincoln did have was war powers. Under war powers he had the right to deny an enemy resources. Every black slave that worked in the field allowed a white Southerner to become a soldier. By freeing the slaves it would force soldiers to return to the farms to feed the army.

So he had a right to free the slaves in the states that were seceding, he had no right to free the slaves in the states that weren't.

But, that Emancipation Proclamation would end with the war along with his war powers, that's why congress had to pass an amendment to keep the slaves free after the war was over.

Gatsby

They did what was possible for them to do in their time, at a time when time was of the essence.

Thank God they weren't a bunch of Popes! Perhaps only because of the intimate knowledge they possessed of corrupting influences

they gave us the protections they did, including the promised follow through of later adding The Bill of Rights.

Cool Breeze

Your insight is refreshing! I see you haven't drunk the revisionist lemming aid. You will be attacked!

Cool Breeze

Welcome to Hell Dr. Dross! Of course I must inform you that logical thinking, reflection, and honest debate are not welcome here. Satan and his minions patrol this site. As a matter of fact you are engaged with one of his lieutenants as we speak. The King Fud Loki better known as Loco is assembling a motley crew of ignorant name calling crud for duty. Get ready! BTW I'm The Breeze considered the resident racist on this site. Welcome!

Dr.Dross

You have a very narrow focus, which can be good where called for, like a microscope. But in the Big Picture, it is common knowledge Lincoln knew the Emancipation Proclamation was a little more than a symbolic act.

Dr.Dross

So kind to get a heads up. Thank you. Hell on one of it's kinder days.

Dr.Dross

Thank you for the history lesson; I appreciate it.

Cool Breeze

Sir you can take this apologist revisionist historical tripe back to hell where it originated. So what if slavery was practiced world wide does that make it acceptable? Just because you made laws against slavery It takes a hell of a leap of faith to assume that ended it. As a matter of fact it hasn't ended in some parts of the world so you can Shove it. P.S. No one expect White Guilt from you SOS because that would mean repentance which would make you a vile hypocrite.

Cool Breeze

OMG! I hope you can maintain your decorum and civil tone!