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Nov 27, 2016 13:51:00   #
kenjay Loc: Arkansas
 
Ricktloml wrote:
It sounds like a micro aggression is an excuse to take offense when none is meant


Agreed

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Nov 27, 2016 13:52:13   #
kenjay Loc: Arkansas
 
PeterS wrote:
The average American worker makes $25 per hour plus benefits. The average third world worker make $3 or less per hour. There is no renegotiating that can change that. Trump is feeding the American worker a pipe dream. The only way to compete with foreign workers is to drastically cut what they make. Once those urban worker who voted for Trump understand that his support will fade away. Again, back to the OP. Rural American isn't large enough to carry the vote in this country and unless the republican party can continue to pull from uneducated urban workers who traditionally vote democrat, conservatives will find themselves on the losing end...
The average American worker makes $25 per hour plu... (show quote)

NWR

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Nov 27, 2016 13:52:42   #
kenjay Loc: Arkansas
 
PeterS wrote:
Trump promised to bring back those manufacturing jobs. To those displaced workers those were the jobs that made America great. My question is what's going to happen when those displaced workers realize Trump was lying to them? They aren't like you J, an ideologue, but are looking for someone who can return us to the way it was before NAFTA. When they realize Trump can't do that how are you ideologues going to stay in power?

NWR

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Nov 27, 2016 13:53:44   #
kenjay Loc: Arkansas
 
PoppaGringo wrote:
'Rural America' is what elected Trump.


Exactly

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Nov 27, 2016 14:20:42   #
KiraSeer2016
 
PeterS wrote:
The average American worker makes $25 per hour plus benefits. The average third world worker make $3 or less per hour. There is no renegotiating that can change that. Trump is feeding the American worker a pipe dream. The only way to compete with foreign workers is to drastically cut what they make. Once those urban worker who voted for Trump understand that his support will fade away. Again, back to the OP. Rural American isn't large enough to carry the vote in this country and unless the republican party can continue to pull from uneducated urban workers who traditionally vote democrat, conservatives will find themselves on the losing end...
The average American worker makes $25 per hour plu... (show quote)


You're equating third world dollars with $US? I supposed you factored in purchasing power?

Great crystal ball you got there. Love it when you adamantly state that THIS is what's going to happen, no matter what.

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Nov 27, 2016 16:02:39   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
KiraSeer2016 wrote:
You're equating third world dollars with $US? I supposed you factored in purchasing power?

Great crystal ball you got there. Love it when you adamantly state that THIS is what's going to happen, no matter what.


The average hourly wage where I live is far below $25/hour. Of course, I have seen houses similar to my $45,000 home selling for upwards of $170,000 where wages are closer to that $25/hour figure. Other factors such as cost of groceries and utilities are similarly cheaper. As a matter of fact, houses like mine in California are closer to $200,000.

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Nov 27, 2016 16:13:03   #
KiraSeer2016
 
Loki wrote:
The average hourly wage where I live is far below $25/hour. Of course, I have seen houses similar to my $45,000 home selling for upwards of $170,000 where wages are closer to that $25/hour figure. Other factors such as cost of groceries and utilities are similarly cheaper. As a matter of fact, houses like mine in California are closer to $200,000.


Are you suggesting that land (real estate) price inflation is related to minimum wage increases? There are other causes for increases in housing prices, but certainly the wage-price spiral has an effect. Land speculation always increases as income increases, as well.

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Nov 27, 2016 16:17:12   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
KiraSeer2016 wrote:
Are you suggesting that land (real estate) price inflation is related to minimum wage increases? There are other causes for increases in housing prices, but certainly the wage-price spiral has an effect. Land speculation always increases as income increases, as well.



No, I am saying that in places where wages are higher, so is everything else, from real estate to groceries. The cost of living here is far lower than many urban areas. I would say it is one third of say, San Francisco or Boston or New York.
Minimum wage is, I think, about $7.25 an hour. The average wage here is probably about $12-$15 hour. That is half the national average, but real estate is less than half as expensive.

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Nov 27, 2016 16:33:06   #
sarahdial
 
I know that there are lots of jobs that required a masters in my field that never wanted to pay more than 30k. Do the math.

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Nov 27, 2016 17:11:14   #
KiraSeer2016
 
Loki wrote:
No, I am saying that in places where wages are higher, so is everything else, from real estate to groceries. The cost of living here is far lower than many urban areas. I would say it is one third of say, San Francisco or Boston or New York.
Minimum wage is, I think, about $7.25 an hour. The average wage here is probably about $12-$15 hour. That is half the national average, but real estate is less than half as expensive.


You're in Georgia, right?

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Nov 27, 2016 17:12:00   #
PeterS
 
Loki wrote:
The same way Liberal idealogues did after Clinton signed NAFTA?

Job growth under Clinton was a record high--over 22 million in 8 years. Clinton's problem was over capitalization which Bush made worse with his tax cut. That changes nothing about the false promises made by Trump. If you think people are looking for minimum wage jobs you are mistaken. There is nothing Trump can renegotiate that will change the fact that the American worker makes 9 times more than they do in the developing world.

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Nov 27, 2016 17:15:43   #
KiraSeer2016
 
PeterS wrote:
Job growth under Clinton was a record high--over 22 million in 8 years. Clinton's problem was over capitalization which Bush made worse with his tax cut. That changes nothing about the false promises made by Trump. If you think people are looking for minimum wage jobs you are mistaken. There is nothing Trump can renegotiate that will change the fact that the American worker makes 9 times more than they do in the developing world.


You don't seem to understand global macro economics.

You also should address the Greenspan theory of "Irrational Exuberance" for a partial explanation of the causes of your "so-called" overcapitalization.

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Nov 27, 2016 17:16:39   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
KiraSeer2016 wrote:
You're in Georgia, right?


Yes, but it's a world of difference between here and over in Atlanta. For instance, I know a manager of a local restaurant who just moved here and was astounded to get a nicer place for $450/month than the one she was paying $1000 for in Atlanta.

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Nov 27, 2016 17:25:59   #
KiraSeer2016
 
Loki wrote:
Yes, but it's a world of difference between here and over in Atlanta. For instance, I know a manager of a local restaurant who just moved here and was astounded to get a nicer place for $450/month than the one she was paying $1000 for in Atlanta.


Perhaps it's just old-fashioned "supply-and-demand".

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Nov 27, 2016 17:29:10   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
KiraSeer2016 wrote:
Perhaps it's just old-fashioned "supply-and-demand".


Could be. As a retiree, I was able to afford a much nicer house in this area than I thought I could. Frankly I expected to pay twice as much.

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