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Nov 23, 2016 18:13:38   #
Richard94611
 
Once again, Blade_Runner, you prove that you are a master at denying facts. You have absolutely no evidence that the women who made those accusations were paid by anyone. And the political leaning of a lawyer representing someone has nothing to do with the situation -- it is just your awkward, illogical attempt to smear people. Intellectually, you need to go back to middle school and try to learn something about critical thinking. You are such as gullible jerk ! Go back under the bridge with the other trolls.


Blade_Runner wrote:
Who "declared" that, Nik? A bunch of leftist media sycophants, that's who. Man, you are gullible.

The charges of sexual predation and lying against Trump have been proven FALSE. The women who made those accusations were paid by Soros, the Clinton campaign, and some of them were represented by that leftist activist lawyer bitch Gloria Allred.

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Nov 23, 2016 18:23:16   #
Richard94611
 
Typical use of illogic on the part of Blade_Runner to muddy the waters. It is not the use of petroleum to make all these other things that is causing problems. It is the burning of gasoline in cars that produces green house gases that is largely responsible for global warming. Once again you dump truckloads of irrelevant material into a discussion. I have seen you do that any number of times and have called you on it. It is as though you are trying to bury your opponent's truths in irrelevancies. You claim to be such a scientifically-educated individual, but in truth you are extremely confused.


Blade_Runner wrote:
The Fallacy of Green Energy

The Fallacy Of Alternative Energy

The logical fallacy of renewable energy

A partial list of products made from Petroleum (144 of 6000 items)

One 42-gallon barrel of oil creates 19.4 gallons of gasoline. The rest (over half) is used to make things like:


Solvents, Diesel fuel, Motor Oil, Bearing Grease, Ink, Floor Wax, Ballpoint Pens, Football Cleats, Upholstery, Sweaters, Boats, Insecticides, Bicycle Tires, Sports Car Bodies, Nail Polish, Fishing lures, Dresses, Golf Bags, Perfumes, Cassettes, Dishwasher parts, Tool Boxes, Shoe Polish, Motorcycle Helmet, Caulking, Petroleum Jelly, Transparent Tape, CD Player, computers, Faucet Washers, Antiseptics, Clothesline, Curtains, Food Preservatives, Basketballs, Soap, Vitamin Capsules, Antihistamines, Purses, Shoes, Dashboards, Cortisone, Deodorant, Footballs, Putty, Dyes, Panty Hose, Refrigerant, Percolators, Life Jackets, Rubbing Alcohol, Linings, Skis,TV Cabinets, Shag Rugs, Electrician's Tape, Tool Racks, Car Battery Cases, Epoxy, Paint, Mops, Slacks, Insect Repellent, Oil Filters, Umbrellas, Yarn, Fertilizers, Hair Coloring, Roofing, Toilet Seats, Fishing Rods, Lipstick, Denture Adhesive, Linoleum, Ice Cube Trays, Synthetic Rubber, Speakers, Plastic Wood, Electric Blankets, Glycerin, Tennis Rackets, Rubber Cement, Fishing Boots, Dice, Nylon Rope, Candles, Trash Bags, House Paint, Water Pipes, Hand Lotion, Roller Skates, Surf Boards, Shampoo, Wheels, Tires, Paint Rollers, Shower Curtains, Guitar Strings, Luggage, Aspirin, Safety Glasses, Antifreeze, Football Helmets, Awnings, Eyeglasses, Clothes, Toothbrushes, Ice Chests, Footballs, Combs, CD's & DVD's, Paint Brushes, Detergents, Vaporizers, Balloons, Sun Glasses, Tents, Heart Valves, Crayons, Parachutes, Telephones, Enamel, Pillows, Dishes, Cameras, Anesthetics, Artificial Turf, Artificial limbs, Bandages, Dentures, Model Cars, Folding Doors, Hair Curlers, Cold cream, Movie film, Soft Contact lenses, Drinking Cups, Fan Belts, Car Enamel, Shaving Cream, Ammonia, Refrigerators, Golf Balls, Toothpaste, Gasoline
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Nov 23, 2016 18:25:47   #
Richard94611
 
Nikolai is absolutely correct. The irony of it all is that the worst effects of what Trump does will play out during the lives of the children, grandchildren and great grandchildren of most of the Yahoos posting their conservative nonsense here.

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Nov 23, 2016 18:26:30   #
Richard94611
 
solar, hydro and wind.


pafret wrote:
Name one

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Nov 23, 2016 18:48:46   #
reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.
 
Richard94611 wrote:
solar, hydro and wind.


Lead by example or Shut the HELL UP!!!!!!!! guess we will not have to read your post any longer , your PC being plastic and metals and SOOOOOOOO many other products you use and live in ,, again



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Nov 23, 2016 18:57:14   #
markinny
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Published on
Tuesday, November 22, 2016
by Foreign Policy In Focus
Trump Can’t Hold Back the Tide of Climate Action
Market forces, state and local action, and strong social movements could blunt the impacts of a denialist White House.
byOscar Reyes

Climate scientists have been quick to condemn Trump’s election as a “disaster,” and it’s not hard to see why. (Photo: Garry Knight / Flickr)
One of the sad ironies of Donald Trump’s victory is that climate change has risen up the political agenda only after the campaign, when both candidates and debate moderators largely ignored it. Trump’s denialism in the face of an urgent, planetary threat provides some potent imagery for how the devastation caused by his presidency might look.

Climate scientists have been quick to condemn Trump’s election as a “disaster,” and it’s not hard to see why.

The last three years have broken temperature records, with 2016 set to become the hottest yet. The UN Environment Program just warned that we need to do far more and far faster, while a new study of pledges from G20 countries found that even under Obama, the U.S. remained a long way off meeting its share of the global effort to tackle climate change. Yet we’ve just elected a man who promises to drill more oil, burn more coal, and scrap our national climate plan.

"Alongside resistance, efforts to build a new economy could, and should, continue from the ground up."
The Trump disaster could hit communities on the front line of climate justice struggles the hardest. Scenes like the militarized response to the struggle against the Dakota Access Pipeline could be the new normal under Trump if the expansion of fossil fuel infrastructure is matched with increasingly repressive policing.

It’s little wonder, then, that Trump’s election has left climate advocates reeling. But as mourning turns to anger and resistance, it’s worth recalling that there are significant limits on what Trump can do to hold back action on climate change.

The transition to cleaner energy will carry on regardless, as coal will remain uncompetitive. States and cities could ramp up their own climate efforts irrespective of the federal government. And international climate action has a momentum that’s not solely dependent on who occupies the White House.

Rogue State

Some of the loudest noises coming from the Trump camp suggest that his administration will withdraw from the Paris climate deal.

Since this process takes four years, it’s rumored that Trump is considering the shortcut of leaving the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), which George Bush Sr. signed in 1992 and the Senate ratified. That would set the U.S. apart from every other nation on earth (except the Vatican, which is strongly in favour of climate action all the same). There would be no clearer way to signal that Trump is making the U.S. a rogue state.

Unilateralism on this scale could throw up legal, political, and diplomatic hurdles that Trump’s team might not easily overcome. The Senate might demand a say on leaving the UNFCCC — and it’s not a given that a majority would favor the path of global isolation.

Alternatively, the Trump administration might choose to ignore Washington’s commitments without formally abandoning the international climate process. One of the first victims could be the global Green Climate Fund, which was set up to help developing countries with their climate transitions — and is now unlikely to see at least $2 billion of the $3 billion originally promised to it by the United States.

But the Trump wrecking ball won’t be able to destroy everything in its path. There are strong signs that U.S. isolation won’t wreck the Paris Agreement. Many other countries (including Saudi Arabia) have suggested that they will stick to their international climate commitments with or without the United States. There’s precedent here, too: When George W. Bush withdrew from the last global climate treaty, the Kyoto Protocol, the rest of the world continued with it anyway.

Faced with failed harvests, floods, droughts, and ever more extreme weather, most countries now realize that taking on climate change is in their own self-interest. Ultimately, the countries that lead the way in renewable energy, efficient buildings, and improved public transport (among other climate measures) will be best placed to cope with changes in the global economy.

Self-Inflicted Wounds

If Trump follows the path of isolation, as he and his acolytes currently brag about doing, the big loser will be the United States itself. Other countries (notably, Canada and Mexico) might retaliate with border taxes for American goods if Trump welches on Washington’s climate commitments, and going it alone would considerably damage U.S. “soft power” — the ability to broker favorable international deals in other areas, ranging from defense to trade — as well as threatening jobs in clean energy, which already outnumber those in fossil fuel extraction.

Closer to home, the promised bonfire of environmental regulations could leave U.S. citizens choking on smog for years to come. With cities like Beijing regularly under a haze of toxic air, the Chinese know only too well that controlling climate change goes hand in hand with reducing pollution from power stations, factories, and cars. And while Trump has been peddling conspiracy theories about climate change being a Chinese hoax, the world’s most populous country has been shuttering coal plants and factories, alongside a host of other measures intended to help China transition to a greener economy.

Trump promises to take the U.S. in the opposite direction: scrapping the Clean Power Plan and gutting the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), starting with the appointment of climate denier Myron Ebell to lead its transition team. But scrapping the Clean Power Plan could lead to a long legal battle, as would attempts to ditch long-standing regulations like fuel-efficiency standards for cars.

Even if Trump succeeds, almost half of the U.S. population lives in states that have already planned for its implementation. Those efforts may continue regardless of the federal government. For example, California legislators have already made clear they will not repeal a recently approved target of 40 percent emissions reductions by 2030. And from Boston to Boulder, a growing list of U.S. cities have pledged to cut 80 percent of their greenhouse gas emissions by 2050, and have developed plans to make that a reality.

Trump’s plans for a return to coal power won’t get far without large new subsidies or a sustained attack on the fracking industry. Otherwise the numbers simply don’t add up. Meanwhile the economics of renewable energy are getting better all the time. Residential solar power is expected to out-compete fossil fuels in over 40 states by 2020, while huge advances are also being made in energy storage and the development of electric vehicles.

The Seeds of a New Economy

While advances in technology and the changing economics of energy could very well dampen the impacts of the climate skepticism emanating from the White House, they obviously won’t come anywhere close to what the U.S. needs to do to actually pull its weight on climate change.

Climate justice activists, on the other hand, are already digging in for a long fight. Thousands of activists joined hundreds of protests around the country in support of the Standing Rock Sioux and other Native American activists opposed to the Dakota Access Pipeline, while international climate justice groups have promised to stand with their U.S. allies in resisting the expansion of fossil fuel infrastructure.

Alongside resistance, efforts to build a new economy could, and should, continue from the ground up. The energy transition requires new forms of ownership and a more collaborative economy. That may sound like a tall ask in such a hostile political climate, but there is historic evidence that the Scandinavian model of cooperative ownership grew in response to political polarization and the repression of organized labor, while deeper changes in the way markets work could spur the rise of collaborative production.

In short, while Trump’s election is a disaster for the climate, there remains plenty of fertile ground for an energy transition, and many spaces to sow the seeds of a new economy.

© 2016 Foreign Policy In Focus
Oscar Reyes
Oscar Reyes a research fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies and a writer and activist focusing on climate and energy finance. His recent work includes Power to the People?, which takes a critical look at the World Bank’s Clean Technology Fund, and the co-authored Carbon Trading: How It Works and Why It Fails. He provides research and advice on the economics and politics of climate change to various organisations, including Corporate Europe Observatory, Earthlife Africa and Friends of the Earth UK. He is also environment editor of Red Pepper, a magazine that he previously edited.
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then why are the poles growing ice. i live on the east coast and according to al gore, we should be treading water along the coasts. it,s just not happening. climate goes through cycles over long periods of time. it,s all a sham to make $$$$$$$





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Nov 23, 2016 19:15:50   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
markinny wrote:
then why are the poles growing ice. i live on the east coast and according to al gore, we should be treading water along the coasts. it,s just not happening. climate goes through cycles over long periods of time. it,s all a sham to make $$$$$$$


markinny-pictures will not convince those gullible enough to buy into the sham. PS. They probably view those ice sheets as an accumulation of sea salt. Meanwhile, they advocate sending billions of our taxpayer dollars to, of all places, the UN for re-allocation. That would be redistribution along the lines of what Hillary was doing with foundation money. (94% overhead and 6% distributed). Good Luck America !!!

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Nov 23, 2016 19:34:00   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Once again, Blade_Runner, you prove that you are a master at denying facts. You have absolutely no evidence that the women who made those accusations were paid by anyone. And the political leaning of a lawyer representing someone has nothing to do with the situation -- it is just your awkward, illogical attempt to smear people. Intellectually, you need to go back to middle school and try to learn something about critical thinking. You are such as gullible jerk ! Go back under the bridge with the other trolls.
Once again, Blade_Runner, you prove that you are a... (show quote)
Go get your issue of crayons, coloring books, and Play-Doh, Dick, every time you step out of that bubble you live in you expose how freaking neurotic and stupid you are. Stay in there until you grow up.

List of Debunked Groper Allegations by Corrupt Media Against Donald Trump

Woman Paid $500k to Accuse Trump of Sexual Assault

The Apprentice loser and Trump “fake rape” accuser Summer Zervos was bribed $500,000 by Democrat fundraiser and lawyer Gloria Allred to make her accusations against Donald Trump, a deal that was shopped around to other ex-Apprentice contestants too, according to sources familiar with the matter. Zervos was paid half a million dollars by Gloria Allred, which is being paid out “slowly over time”.

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Nov 23, 2016 20:45:23   #
Nickolai
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Who "declared" that, Nik? A bunch of leftist media sycophants, that's who. Man, you are gullible.

The charges of sexual predation and lying against Trump have been proven FALSE. The women who made those accusations were paid by Soros, the Clinton campaign, and some of them were represented by that leftist activist lawyer bitch Gloria Allred.





Trump him self said that his biggest problem during the Vietnam war was avoiding STD's and he is an adultery with at least two of his wives

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Nov 23, 2016 20:50:29   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Nickolai wrote:
Trump him self said that his biggest problem during the Vietnam war was avoiding STD's and he is an adultery with at least two of his wives
That was a long time ago, Nik. How do your younger days look compared to now? You never chased pussy when you were young, dumb, and full of cum?

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Nov 23, 2016 20:52:40   #
Nickolai
 
markinny wrote:
then why are the poles growing ice. i live on the east coast and according to al gore, we should be treading water along the coasts. it,s just not happening. climate goes through cycles over long periods of time. it,s all a sham to make $$$$$$$




https://youtu.be/yRvmCiNkHKM

Try this link to get up to date

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Nov 23, 2016 20:53:39   #
Richard94611
 
Nowhere has anyone said we must give up all processes that produce greenhouse gases, simply the ones we can avoid using, and there are plenty of those. No one has said we must give up being an industrial society. The major cause of global warming, of course, is energy production. We can do that in ways that don't produce greenhouse gases. If you don't want to read my posts, fine with me. You never "had" to read my posts, anyway. I sure won't miss you. While you are gone, try to learn the facts about global warming so you can write intelligently about the subject., It is obvious that right now you know next to nothing about the subject.




reconreb wrote:
Lead by example or Shut the HELL UP!!!!!!!! guess we will not have to read your post any longer , your PC being plastic and metals and SOOOOOOOO many other products you use and live in ,, again

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Nov 23, 2016 20:56:27   #
Richard94611
 
Markinny, I am certain that iof you actually do some research you will discover that the poles are not growing. There may be a few isolated areas where they are increasing in size of ice thickness, but the overall volume of snow/ice is rapidly diminishing.

Nickolai wrote:
https://youtu.be/yRvmCiNkHKM

Try this link to get up to date

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Nov 23, 2016 21:07:53   #
Nickolai
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
That was a long time ago, Nik. How do your younger days look compared to now? You never chased pussy when you were young, dumb, and full of cum?







Yes but he avoided the draft claiming a bone spur in his toe and his daddy gave him a $200,000 graduation present which would be around a million in todays money. In 1987 and 1999, he flirted with a political run because he had two books to sell  - but then he was out of the game.
It was a tactic he learned from the most infamous defense lawyer in New York, Roy Cohn, chief aide to notorious red-bating Wisconsin senator, Joseph McCarthy back in the 1950's.
After the Senate hearings, Cohn returned to New York to resume practicing law.
Trump was headed to Manhattan and party nightlife after graduating from the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School of Finance and Commerce in 1968. With a rich father, he had no real responsibilities.
The two men connected while trolling the city's hottest spots -  21 Club, the Four Seasons and Le Club, a members-only restaurant-bar-discotheque.
'Le Club was renowned for attracting beautiful women, who commanded Trump's attention that drink and drugs could not. He would eventually confess that sex was his one real indulgence… and expended much time and energy in he pursuit of models, flight attendants, and others he found attractive', writes author Michael D'Antonio in his new book: Never Enough: Donald Trump and the Pursuit of Success, Thomas Dunne publisher.

I've spent a lot of time In locker rooms and constructions crews but never ever heard any one mention that when you are a star you can do anything to a woman and they will let you just grab then kiss them and grab their pussy. The guy is a scum bag

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Nov 23, 2016 21:09:47   #
Nickolai
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Markinny, I am certain that iof you actually do some research you will discover that the poles are not growing. There may be a few isolated areas where they are increasing in size of ice thickness, but the overall volume of snow/ice is rapidly diminishing.





Water temps in the Arctic are running 6 degrees above normal

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