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Nov 1, 2016 18:45:57   #
Airforceone
 
son of witless wrote:
moldyoldy

Do you believe the stuff you post? Where do you find it?


It's simple what's difficult is you dealing with facts what part is not true give me an example.

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Nov 1, 2016 22:42:10   #
son of witless
 
tdsrnest wrote:
It's simple what's difficult is you dealing with facts what part is not true give me an example.


Really? You dare ask me a question. The soul who throws out insults when asked anything. Unlike you I can and will answer.

The Republican Party's Pledge to the middle class and the poor.

" We defend the unborn child until it's birth, then we could care less if you have food, shelter, and a public education. "

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Nov 2, 2016 13:29:54   #
Progressive One
 
ORANGE IS THE NEW BLUE?

Trump is accelerating a trend that could turn O.C. Democratic

BY SEEMA MEHTA
It was the home of Richard Nixon, the cradle of Ronald Reagan’s career and, for decades, a virtual synonym for the Republican Party of California.
Now, for the first time since the Depression, Orange County stands on the verge of choosing a Democrat for president, potentially ending the longest streak of Republican presidential victories of any county in the state.
That possibility symbolizes how the American political map has been upended by Donald Trump’s campaign: He has sped up a decade-long shift in which the GOP has gathered strength in white, blue-collar regions that once routinely elected Democrats, but traditional Republican suburbs increasingly have turned blue.
From Chester County outside Philadelphia to Gwinnett County east of Atlanta and on to Fort Bend County near Houston and Tarrant County west of Dallas, big, affluent suburban regions seem likely to shift significantly toward Hillary Clinton this year, according to analysts who track county-level voting trends.
That’s an immediate hurdle for the GOP, which has long counted on suburban strength to offset Democratic votes in the cities. It could be an even bigger problem in the longer term because those suburbs are among the nation’s most economically dynamic, growing regions.
The shift reflects changing demographics: As with Orange County, many of the nation’s suburbs have become racially and ethnically diverse, shedding their status as all-white enclaves.
It has been accelerated by Trump’s weakness among college-educated white voters. That group has sided with the Republican in every presidential election since reliable polling began in the U.S. in the 1940s, but this year it has consistently shown a Democratic majority in polls.
Because of the demographic changes, “the question is not whether or not a Democrat is going to win in Orange County; it’s just a question of when,” said Jon Fleischman, an influential conservative blogger who lives in Anaheim Hills.
“If Donald Trump were not at the top of the ticket, I don’t think it would be this year,” he said. “Because he is, it may very well be the case.”
Cynthia Ward, 50, a historical preservationist and longtime GOP activist from Anaheim, expressed the sort of dismay that has caused many Orange County Republicans to consider abandoning their party’s ticket.
Ward said she could never cast a ballot for Clinton but does not know whether she can vote for Trump.
“He’s so verbally offensive to so many people that it’s distasteful to have someone like that as the standard-bearer of the party,” she said.
“It has never occurred to me to not vote the Republican ticket,” she said. This time, however, she said she may write in a candidate, vote for a third party or just leave the presidential line on her ballot blank.
She said she planned to pray for guidance, adding: “This is a bad year. This is a really rough year.”
Orange County’s ties to the conservative movement were etched into its orange-grove roots. Its agricultural heritage meant the county had an anti-union mind-set long before its acres of citrus trees gave way to tidy tracts of suburban homes in meticulously planned — and often gated — communities.
As the county grew, its conservatism gained reinforcements. White families fled here from an increasingly diverse Los Angeles, especially after the Watts riots in 1965. Conservative transplants from the Midwest arrived in large numbers as well.
Charismatic conservative religious leaders beamed sermons from Orange County pulpits into living rooms across the nation, creating national profiles for Robert Schuller from the Crystal Cathedral and Paul Crouch of the Trinity Broadcasting Network.
The county also developed a hawkish bent as it became home to men who served at the region’s military bases or worked in the once-burgeoning aerospace and defense industries.
Daniel Erinton, an electrical engineer who worked at a now-shuttered Hughes facility in Fullerton, blames former President Clinton, the spouse of the current Democratic nominee, for the defense industry’s decline.
“He killed it. He just killed it,” said the 58-year-old, a Republican who plans to vote for Trump. “With Hillary, we’re going to get more of the same. I think America needs to be strong. We need to show our strength. Peace through strength — I think Donald Trump will do that again.”
Along with conservative voters, the county offered the GOP a huge source of money. Wealthy business-minded conservatives, including real estate tycoons Donald Bren, William Lyon and George Argyros, opened their mansions and their Rolodexes to Republican candidates, making the county a must-stop for politicians.
Immediately after entering the presidential race in 2011, when he was viewed as the front-runner, then-Texas Gov. Rick Perry visited and paid homage to the county as a “raspberry in a blueberry pie.”
“All of that became the DNA of the community,” said Fred Smoller, a political science professor at Chapman University in Orange. “That’s all changing.”
Indeed, in 1990, whites made up nearly two-thirds of the county’s population. Now, they are a minority. The county’s Latino and Asian populations have grown enormously — some in low-income neighborhoods, particularly in Santa Ana, but many in newly diverse, affluent communities.
As the region has grown more diverse, GOP margins have narrowed. The last time a Democrat took Orange County was 1936, when Franklin D. Roosevelt won by nearly 12 percentage points. In1980 and1984, Ronald Reagan won by 50 points. But in 2008, President Obama came close to flipping the county, losing by 2.5 points to Sen. John McCain.
Trump’s disparaging rhetoric about Mexicans and Muslims, his breaks with past Republican stands on trade and the overall tone of his campaign seem likely to create the final tipping point.
“He’s a bad fit for upscale suburbs,” said Stuart Rothenberg, a veteran nonpartisan political analyst. “They expect a certain style from their presidential nominee, a certain intellect and a kind of measure in serious discussion of policy.”
The GOP’s problem is most acute among college-educated white women.
“Trump is a bully and a misogynist and incompetent,” said Anna Hornbostel of Mission Viejo.
The 36-year-old Republican, who holds a master’s in education and is studying for a second one in marriage and family therapy, is no fan of Clinton. “She’s a career politician, and I think she embodies everything that’s wrong with the system,” Hornbostel said.
But Trump has her considering a Democrat for the first time in her life. His language about women appalls her, she said, adding that her three brothers would never use such words and that she would never want her 10 nephews to hear them.
“I’ll probably end up voting for Hillary — closing my eyes and plugging my nose — because I trust her ability as a politician to not … get us into a nuclear war,” she said.
Local Democrats hope Clinton’s coattails, along with an expected drop in Republican turnout, will help them tip congressional, legislative and local races too.
Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Vista), whose 49th Congressional District takes in a part of southern Orange County, is the most prominent GOP elected official in the region who may be at risk this year, but other races farther down the ballot could also be affected. The parties have spent millions of dollars here.
Nelida Mendoza Yanez, 59, said Trump is helping Democrats’ efforts. Yanez, born in Jalisco, Mexico, has lived in Santa Ana since her parents moved here in 1965, served as a sergeant in the Army and is now a community college board member.
Minorities in Orange County have failed to turn out to vote, undermining their strength, Yanez said as she canvassed for Michele Martinez, a Latina Democrat running for the county Board of Supervisors.
The 1st Supervisorial District — home to the county’s most populous and diverse cities — gives evidence of that. Over the last four decades, it has been represented by a Democrat for just two years.
“That has been the mindset in the past: ‘Why vote, because they’re going to do whatever they want anyway,’ ” she said. “We’re changing that mind-set. We’re going to make [Orange County] blue!”
At least at the presidential level, her efforts are aided by Republicans who, like Ward and Fleischman, are not planning on voting for either major-party nominee.
As he filled out his mail-in ballot, Fleischman passed over the Republican and Democratic presidential tickets, instead using a blue marker to scrawl retiring Dodgers announcer Vin Scully’s name into the write-in space.
A devoted party activist and former state party leader who moved to Orange County after college because it was a lucrative home for his brand of politics, Fleischman said he takes no joy in the likelihood of a Democrat winning here for the first time in his lifetime.
“There is no doubt if Hillary Clinton wins Orange County, Calif., that it will certainly dethrone Orange County’s position as the Republican crown jewel of the country,” he said.
“And once you lose that crown, you’re probably not going to get it back.” seema.mehta@latimes.com   Twitter: @LATSeema


CHIP SOMODEVILLA Getty Images
DONALD TRUMP campaigns with Gov. Scott Walker in Altoona, Wis., after visiting Michigan and Pennsylvania. Trump hopes to inspire working-class whites in Rust Belt states that haven’t voted GOP since the 1980s.



JEWEL SAMAD AFP/Getty Images
HILLARY CLINTON is joined by former Miss Universe Alicia Machado at a rally in Dade City, Fla. “Florida can decide who our next president is,” Clinton assured the crowd in the notoriously divided state.






GENARO MOLINA Los Angeles Times
NELIDA MENDOZA YANEZ talks with Obie Powell in Santa Ana as she canvasses for Democrats. She said Donald Trump’s candidacy was helping her effort.

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Nov 2, 2016 13:39:59   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Progressive One wrote:
ORANGE IS THE NEW BLUE?

Trump is accelerating a trend that could turn O.C. Democratic

BY SEEMA MEHTA
It was the home of Richard Nixon, the cradle of Ronald Reagan’s career and, for decades, a virtual synonym for the Republican Party of California.
Now, for the first time since the Depression, Orange County stands on the verge of choosing a Democrat for president, potentially ending the longest streak of Republican presidential victories of any county in the state.
That possibility symbolizes how the American political map has been upended by Donald Trump’s campaign: He has sped up a decade-long shift in which the GOP has gathered strength in white, blue-collar regions that once routinely elected Democrats, but traditional Republican suburbs increasingly have turned blue.
From Chester County outside Philadelphia to Gwinnett County east of Atlanta and on to Fort Bend County near Houston and Tarrant County west of Dallas, big, affluent suburban regions seem likely to shift significantly toward Hillary Clinton this year, according to analysts who track county-level voting trends.
That’s an immediate hurdle for the GOP, which has long counted on suburban strength to offset Democratic votes in the cities. It could be an even bigger problem in the longer term because those suburbs are among the nation’s most economically dynamic, growing regions.
The shift reflects changing demographics: As with Orange County, many of the nation’s suburbs have become racially and ethnically diverse, shedding their status as all-white enclaves.
It has been accelerated by Trump’s weakness among college-educated white voters. That group has sided with the Republican in every presidential election since reliable polling began in the U.S. in the 1940s, but this year it has consistently shown a Democratic majority in polls.
Because of the demographic changes, “the question is not whether or not a Democrat is going to win in Orange County; it’s just a question of when,” said Jon Fleischman, an influential conservative blogger who lives in Anaheim Hills.
“If Donald Trump were not at the top of the ticket, I don’t think it would be this year,” he said. “Because he is, it may very well be the case.”
Cynthia Ward, 50, a historical preservationist and longtime GOP activist from Anaheim, expressed the sort of dismay that has caused many Orange County Republicans to consider abandoning their party’s ticket.
Ward said she could never cast a ballot for Clinton but does not know whether she can vote for Trump.
“He’s so verbally offensive to so many people that it’s distasteful to have someone like that as the standard-bearer of the party,” she said.
“It has never occurred to me to not vote the Republican ticket,” she said. This time, however, she said she may write in a candidate, vote for a third party or just leave the presidential line on her ballot blank.
She said she planned to pray for guidance, adding: “This is a bad year. This is a really rough year.”
Orange County’s ties to the conservative movement were etched into its orange-grove roots. Its agricultural heritage meant the county had an anti-union mind-set long before its acres of citrus trees gave way to tidy tracts of suburban homes in meticulously planned — and often gated — communities.
As the county grew, its conservatism gained reinforcements. White families fled here from an increasingly diverse Los Angeles, especially after the Watts riots in 1965. Conservative transplants from the Midwest arrived in large numbers as well.
Charismatic conservative religious leaders beamed sermons from Orange County pulpits into living rooms across the nation, creating national profiles for Robert Schuller from the Crystal Cathedral and Paul Crouch of the Trinity Broadcasting Network.
The county also developed a hawkish bent as it became home to men who served at the region’s military bases or worked in the once-burgeoning aerospace and defense industries.
Daniel Erinton, an electrical engineer who worked at a now-shuttered Hughes facility in Fullerton, blames former President Clinton, the spouse of the current Democratic nominee, for the defense industry’s decline.
“He killed it. He just killed it,” said the 58-year-old, a Republican who plans to vote for Trump. “With Hillary, we’re going to get more of the same. I think America needs to be strong. We need to show our strength. Peace through strength — I think Donald Trump will do that again.”
Along with conservative voters, the county offered the GOP a huge source of money. Wealthy business-minded conservatives, including real estate tycoons Donald Bren, William Lyon and George Argyros, opened their mansions and their Rolodexes to Republican candidates, making the county a must-stop for politicians.
Immediately after entering the presidential race in 2011, when he was viewed as the front-runner, then-Texas Gov. Rick Perry visited and paid homage to the county as a “raspberry in a blueberry pie.”
“All of that became the DNA of the community,” said Fred Smoller, a political science professor at Chapman University in Orange. “That’s all changing.”
Indeed, in 1990, whites made up nearly two-thirds of the county’s population. Now, they are a minority. The county’s Latino and Asian populations have grown enormously — some in low-income neighborhoods, particularly in Santa Ana, but many in newly diverse, affluent communities.
As the region has grown more diverse, GOP margins have narrowed. The last time a Democrat took Orange County was 1936, when Franklin D. Roosevelt won by nearly 12 percentage points. In1980 and1984, Ronald Reagan won by 50 points. But in 2008, President Obama came close to flipping the county, losing by 2.5 points to Sen. John McCain.
Trump’s disparaging rhetoric about Mexicans and Muslims, his breaks with past Republican stands on trade and the overall tone of his campaign seem likely to create the final tipping point.
“He’s a bad fit for upscale suburbs,” said Stuart Rothenberg, a veteran nonpartisan political analyst. “They expect a certain style from their presidential nominee, a certain intellect and a kind of measure in serious discussion of policy.”
The GOP’s problem is most acute among college-educated white women.
“Trump is a bully and a misogynist and incompetent,” said Anna Hornbostel of Mission Viejo.
The 36-year-old Republican, who holds a master’s in education and is studying for a second one in marriage and family therapy, is no fan of Clinton. “She’s a career politician, and I think she embodies everything that’s wrong with the system,” Hornbostel said.
But Trump has her considering a Democrat for the first time in her life. His language about women appalls her, she said, adding that her three brothers would never use such words and that she would never want her 10 nephews to hear them.
“I’ll probably end up voting for Hillary — closing my eyes and plugging my nose — because I trust her ability as a politician to not … get us into a nuclear war,” she said.
Local Democrats hope Clinton’s coattails, along with an expected drop in Republican turnout, will help them tip congressional, legislative and local races too.
Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Vista), whose 49th Congressional District takes in a part of southern Orange County, is the most prominent GOP elected official in the region who may be at risk this year, but other races farther down the ballot could also be affected. The parties have spent millions of dollars here.
Nelida Mendoza Yanez, 59, said Trump is helping Democrats’ efforts. Yanez, born in Jalisco, Mexico, has lived in Santa Ana since her parents moved here in 1965, served as a sergeant in the Army and is now a community college board member.
Minorities in Orange County have failed to turn out to vote, undermining their strength, Yanez said as she canvassed for Michele Martinez, a Latina Democrat running for the county Board of Supervisors.
The 1st Supervisorial District — home to the county’s most populous and diverse cities — gives evidence of that. Over the last four decades, it has been represented by a Democrat for just two years.
“That has been the mindset in the past: ‘Why vote, because they’re going to do whatever they want anyway,’ ” she said. “We’re changing that mind-set. We’re going to make [Orange County] blue!”
At least at the presidential level, her efforts are aided by Republicans who, like Ward and Fleischman, are not planning on voting for either major-party nominee.
As he filled out his mail-in ballot, Fleischman passed over the Republican and Democratic presidential tickets, instead using a blue marker to scrawl retiring Dodgers announcer Vin Scully’s name into the write-in space.
A devoted party activist and former state party leader who moved to Orange County after college because it was a lucrative home for his brand of politics, Fleischman said he takes no joy in the likelihood of a Democrat winning here for the first time in his lifetime.
“There is no doubt if Hillary Clinton wins Orange County, Calif., that it will certainly dethrone Orange County’s position as the Republican crown jewel of the country,” he said.
“And once you lose that crown, you’re probably not going to get it back.” seema.mehta@latimes.com   Twitter: @LATSeema


CHIP SOMODEVILLA Getty Images
DONALD TRUMP campaigns with Gov. Scott Walker in Altoona, Wis., after visiting Michigan and Pennsylvania. Trump hopes to inspire working-class whites in Rust Belt states that haven’t voted GOP since the 1980s.



JEWEL SAMAD AFP/Getty Images
HILLARY CLINTON is joined by former Miss Universe Alicia Machado at a rally in Dade City, Fla. “Florida can decide who our next president is,” Clinton assured the crowd in the notoriously divided state.






GENARO MOLINA Los Angeles Times
NELIDA MENDOZA YANEZ talks with Obie Powell in Santa Ana as she canvasses for Democrats. She said Donald Trump’s candidacy was helping her effort.
ORANGE IS THE NEW BLUE? br br Trump is accel... (show quote)


I heard a bit of her "speech" this morning. Half of it was about that mean old man, Trump, he said I was fat, he's mean. I wanted to ask if Clinton had gotten out of second grade yet.

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Nov 2, 2016 13:46:42   #
Progressive One
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I heard a bit of her "speech" this morning. Half of it was about that mean old man, Trump, he said I was fat, he's mean. I wanted to ask if Clinton had gotten out of second grade yet.


speaking of which...you need to ask the same of these bastards who need glasses...they talk about my appearance just like the two faggs they are. What man gives a shit about what another an thinks he looks like? What kind of man takes the time to save pictures of another man, post them repeatedly and then comment on their appearance. If that is not some flaming homo shit I don't know what is. I don't even give a shit what a WOMAN thinks I look like unless she is one who is giving me her goodies or I am trying to get them...but some phucking male homo's obsessed with men's physique? Please..at least Hillary is a woman...what are these geeks excuse?

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Nov 2, 2016 22:43:52   #
Progressive One
 
Trump Supporters Intimidate Latino Voters with Fake Image on Social Media



Published November 2, 2016
The image, which has been proven to be fake, shows an immigration officer supposedly arresting an immigrant who is trying to vote.

By Kaitlyn D’Onofrio

A photoshopped image is circulating on social media thanks to Trump supporters hoping to intimidate Latino voters at the polls.

The “image” originated on a pro-Trump Twitter bot account, @NeilTurner_. It shows a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent arresting a person who is believed to be an undocumented immigrant.


I’ve just got word that an illegal trying to vote has been arrested.

ICE is watching voting places closely! Thank you ICE!

More to come! pic.twitter.com/TeNiWsMTSR

— Neil Turner 🐸 (@NeilTurner_) October 27, 2016



The photo has been proven to be a compilation of two completely separate images. According to ProPublica and Univision, which first reported the image as a hoax, “The picture is photoshopped from a photograph of a voting line outside of a March Arizona primary voting location — used widely by several media organizations — and a Wikipedia Commons picture of an immigration officer making an arrest.”

Trump Supporters Intimidate Latino Voters with Fake Image of Immigrant on Social Media
This original image is an AP photo showing voters in Arizona.

Trump Supporters Intimidate Latino Voters with Fake Image of Immigrant on Social Media
The second original photo is a Wikimedia Commons picture of an immigration officer making an arrest.

But the fake image still made its rounds on social media. The original tweet has been retweeted over 5,500 times and liked over 6,200 times. Another user, “LockHerUp,” tweeted the image to Electionland and Univision and even translated the tweet into Spanish in a further attempt to intimidate Latino voters.


@UniPolitica @electionland Immigration Police arresting people at Voting Booths!
¡Policía de inmigración en las cabinas de votación! pic.twitter.com/Fzbz5oAiNM

— LockHerUp (@OurLastVote) October 28, 2016


“Lock her up” is a frequent cry at Trump rallies in reference to Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton.

Although the picture has been proven to be a hoax, it reached many social media users and, quite possibly, many Latino voters. And it poses the question — particularly for Latino voters who may have been intimidated by the photo — can people be arrested at the polling sites?

Not quite, according to Tammy Patrick, a fellow at the Bipartisan Policy Center. Patrick, an elections expert, reported to ProPublica and Univision that she has never heard of people being arrested on immigration charges while trying to vote in modern history. She called the photo “stomach churning.”

“It sounds like a step up from decades ago when ads were put out saying that if you hadn’t paid child support you will be arrested when you go to vote,” she said.

In the early 2000s, fake letters were sent to residents of some South Carolina counties targeting Black voters and telling them if they were behind on child support or have bad credit or unpaid traffic tickets they would be arrested when they tried to vote. The letters, which were made to look like they came from the NAACP, were proven to be a fraud.

Although the picture of an immigrant being arrested at a polling place is not real, it still could instill fear in the Latino community, explained Pili Tobar, a spokesperson for the Latino Victory Project.

“When you have images showing someone getting arrested by ICE at polling locations, that could show a lot of mixed-status families that they could be followed by ICE or targeted by ICE, and that they might be putting their family members at risk,” she said.

As Trump has slipped in the polls toward the end of the campaign, he and his supporters have cried “voter fraud”— despite numerous studies that have debunked the voter fraud myth as being a guise for suppressing minority voters.

“As historians and election experts have catalogued, there is a long history in this country of racially suppressive voting measures — including poll taxes and all-white primaries — put in place under the guise of stopping voter fraud that wasn’t actually occurring in the first place,” the Brennan Center for Justice wrote in “Debunking the Voter Fraud Myth,” published earlier this year. “The surest way toward voting that is truly free, fair and accessible is to know the facts in the face of such rhetoric.”

Latino voters and organizations overwhelmingly favor Clinton over Trump, polls have consistently found throughout the election season, which would show why Trump and his supporters would want to prevent Latinos from voting. A poll conducted by the National Council of La Raza (NCLR) found that, overall, 68 percent of Latino voters have a favorable view of Clinton, compared to just 18 percent for Trump. Seventy percent said they will vote for Clinton, and 17 percent said they will vote for Trump.

Earlier this year, for the first time, the NCLR endorsed a presidential candidate: Clinton.

Lizet Ocampo, director of People For the American Way’s Latinos Vote! campaign, called Clinton the “clear choice” for the American people and said it is time to “defeat Trump and the Republicans advancing his hateful agenda.”

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Nov 11, 2016 10:21:27   #
wuzblynd Loc: thomson georgia
 
Progressive One wrote:
ORANGE IS THE NEW BLUE?

Trump is accelerating a trend that could turn O.C. Democratic

BY SEEMA MEHTA
It was the home of Richard Nixon, the cradle of Ronald Reagan’s career and, for decades, a virtual synonym for the Republican Party of California.
Now, for the first time since the Depression, Orange County stands on the verge of choosing a Democrat for president, potentially ending the longest streak of Republican presidential victories of any county in the state.
That possibility symbolizes how the American political map has been upended by Donald Trump’s campaign: He has sped up a decade-long shift in which the GOP has gathered strength in white, blue-collar regions that once routinely elected Democrats, but traditional Republican suburbs increasingly have turned blue.
From Chester County outside Philadelphia to Gwinnett County east of Atlanta and on to Fort Bend County near Houston and Tarrant County west of Dallas, big, affluent suburban regions seem likely to shift significantly toward Hillary Clinton this year, according to analysts who track county-level voting trends.
That’s an immediate hurdle for the GOP, which has long counted on suburban strength to offset Democratic votes in the cities. It could be an even bigger problem in the longer term because those suburbs are among the nation’s most economically dynamic, growing regions.
The shift reflects changing demographics: As with Orange County, many of the nation’s suburbs have become racially and ethnically diverse, shedding their status as all-white enclaves.
It has been accelerated by Trump’s weakness among college-educated white voters. That group has sided with the Republican in every presidential election since reliable polling began in the U.S. in the 1940s, but this year it has consistently shown a Democratic majority in polls.
Because of the demographic changes, “the question is not whether or not a Democrat is going to win in Orange County; it’s just a question of when,” said Jon Fleischman, an influential conservative blogger who lives in Anaheim Hills.
“If Donald Trump were not at the top of the ticket, I don’t think it would be this year,” he said. “Because he is, it may very well be the case.”
Cynthia Ward, 50, a historical preservationist and longtime GOP activist from Anaheim, expressed the sort of dismay that has caused many Orange County Republicans to consider abandoning their party’s ticket.
Ward said she could never cast a ballot for Clinton but does not know whether she can vote for Trump.
“He’s so verbally offensive to so many people that it’s distasteful to have someone like that as the standard-bearer of the party,” she said.
“It has never occurred to me to not vote the Republican ticket,” she said. This time, however, she said she may write in a candidate, vote for a third party or just leave the presidential line on her ballot blank.
She said she planned to pray for guidance, adding: “This is a bad year. This is a really rough year.”
Orange County’s ties to the conservative movement were etched into its orange-grove roots. Its agricultural heritage meant the county had an anti-union mind-set long before its acres of citrus trees gave way to tidy tracts of suburban homes in meticulously planned — and often gated — communities.
As the county grew, its conservatism gained reinforcements. White families fled here from an increasingly diverse Los Angeles, especially after the Watts riots in 1965. Conservative transplants from the Midwest arrived in large numbers as well.
Charismatic conservative religious leaders beamed sermons from Orange County pulpits into living rooms across the nation, creating national profiles for Robert Schuller from the Crystal Cathedral and Paul Crouch of the Trinity Broadcasting Network.
The county also developed a hawkish bent as it became home to men who served at the region’s military bases or worked in the once-burgeoning aerospace and defense industries.
Daniel Erinton, an electrical engineer who worked at a now-shuttered Hughes facility in Fullerton, blames former President Clinton, the spouse of the current Democratic nominee, for the defense industry’s decline.
“He killed it. He just killed it,” said the 58-year-old, a Republican who plans to vote for Trump. “With Hillary, we’re going to get more of the same. I think America needs to be strong. We need to show our strength. Peace through strength — I think Donald Trump will do that again.”
Along with conservative voters, the county offered the GOP a huge source of money. Wealthy business-minded conservatives, including real estate tycoons Donald Bren, William Lyon and George Argyros, opened their mansions and their Rolodexes to Republican candidates, making the county a must-stop for politicians.
Immediately after entering the presidential race in 2011, when he was viewed as the front-runner, then-Texas Gov. Rick Perry visited and paid homage to the county as a “raspberry in a blueberry pie.”
“All of that became the DNA of the community,” said Fred Smoller, a political science professor at Chapman University in Orange. “That’s all changing.”
Indeed, in 1990, whites made up nearly two-thirds of the county’s population. Now, they are a minority. The county’s Latino and Asian populations have grown enormously — some in low-income neighborhoods, particularly in Santa Ana, but many in newly diverse, affluent communities.
As the region has grown more diverse, GOP margins have narrowed. The last time a Democrat took Orange County was 1936, when Franklin D. Roosevelt won by nearly 12 percentage points. In1980 and1984, Ronald Reagan won by 50 points. But in 2008, President Obama came close to flipping the county, losing by 2.5 points to Sen. John McCain.
Trump’s disparaging rhetoric about Mexicans and Muslims, his breaks with past Republican stands on trade and the overall tone of his campaign seem likely to create the final tipping point.
“He’s a bad fit for upscale suburbs,” said Stuart Rothenberg, a veteran nonpartisan political analyst. “They expect a certain style from their presidential nominee, a certain intellect and a kind of measure in serious discussion of policy.”
The GOP’s problem is most acute among college-educated white women.
“Trump is a bully and a misogynist and incompetent,” said Anna Hornbostel of Mission Viejo.
The 36-year-old Republican, who holds a master’s in education and is studying for a second one in marriage and family therapy, is no fan of Clinton. “She’s a career politician, and I think she embodies everything that’s wrong with the system,” Hornbostel said.
But Trump has her considering a Democrat for the first time in her life. His language about women appalls her, she said, adding that her three brothers would never use such words and that she would never want her 10 nephews to hear them.
“I’ll probably end up voting for Hillary — closing my eyes and plugging my nose — because I trust her ability as a politician to not … get us into a nuclear war,” she said.
Local Democrats hope Clinton’s coattails, along with an expected drop in Republican turnout, will help them tip congressional, legislative and local races too.
Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Vista), whose 49th Congressional District takes in a part of southern Orange County, is the most prominent GOP elected official in the region who may be at risk this year, but other races farther down the ballot could also be affected. The parties have spent millions of dollars here.
Nelida Mendoza Yanez, 59, said Trump is helping Democrats’ efforts. Yanez, born in Jalisco, Mexico, has lived in Santa Ana since her parents moved here in 1965, served as a sergeant in the Army and is now a community college board member.
Minorities in Orange County have failed to turn out to vote, undermining their strength, Yanez said as she canvassed for Michele Martinez, a Latina Democrat running for the county Board of Supervisors.
The 1st Supervisorial District — home to the county’s most populous and diverse cities — gives evidence of that. Over the last four decades, it has been represented by a Democrat for just two years.
“That has been the mindset in the past: ‘Why vote, because they’re going to do whatever they want anyway,’ ” she said. “We’re changing that mind-set. We’re going to make [Orange County] blue!”
At least at the presidential level, her efforts are aided by Republicans who, like Ward and Fleischman, are not planning on voting for either major-party nominee.
As he filled out his mail-in ballot, Fleischman passed over the Republican and Democratic presidential tickets, instead using a blue marker to scrawl retiring Dodgers announcer Vin Scully’s name into the write-in space.
A devoted party activist and former state party leader who moved to Orange County after college because it was a lucrative home for his brand of politics, Fleischman said he takes no joy in the likelihood of a Democrat winning here for the first time in his lifetime.
“There is no doubt if Hillary Clinton wins Orange County, Calif., that it will certainly dethrone Orange County’s position as the Republican crown jewel of the country,” he said.
“And once you lose that crown, you’re probably not going to get it back.” seema.mehta@latimes.com   Twitter: @LATSeema


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DONALD TRUMP campaigns with Gov. Scott Walker in Altoona, Wis., after visiting Michigan and Pennsylvania. Trump hopes to inspire working-class whites in Rust Belt states that haven’t voted GOP since the 1980s.



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HILLARY CLINTON is joined by former Miss Universe Alicia Machado at a rally in Dade City, Fla. “Florida can decide who our next president is,” Clinton assured the crowd in the notoriously divided state.






GENARO MOLINA Los Angeles Times
NELIDA MENDOZA YANEZ talks with Obie Powell in Santa Ana as she canvasses for Democrats. She said Donald Trump’s candidacy was helping her effort.
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Now shut up and support your President!! Now whatcha got to say? Where's ur polls now dork? Oh wait I know, it was rigged right?

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Nov 12, 2016 16:14:49   #
Owl32 Loc: ARK
 
America First, we are not responsible and have no reason to accept just anyone for entrance to USA. If they want a hand-out they need to stay home. We do not need more Welfare and Healthcare people who are looking for American Tax Payers to pay the bill. Just watch the news today at the ungrateful and spiteful Left wing children who have been receiving American Taxpayers money to go to college probably for 6 or more years rioting like children because the real people in America told them no. End their free rides and evict them from their rent free apartments. They do not contribute one dime to our Nation.

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Nov 12, 2016 16:38:51   #
Progressive One
 
wuzblynd wrote:
Now shut up and support your President!! Now whatcha got to say? Where's ur polls now dork? Oh wait I know, it was rigged right?


Trump will counsel with Obama...on how to win TWICE..by moving center and losing the racist shit that got the dumb ass rednecks to the polls............

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Nov 12, 2016 16:52:35   #
wuzblynd Loc: thomson georgia
 
Progressive One wrote:
Trump will counsel with Obama...on how to win TWICE..by moving center and losing the racist shit that got the dumb ass rednecks to the polls............







Ur mom was at the poll's? Where were the racist poll's anyway?

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Nov 12, 2016 17:00:53   #
Progressive One
 
wuzblynd wrote:
Ur mom was at the poll's? Where were the racist poll's anyway?


Trump will counsel with Obama...because he wants two terms also........lose tha mama thing little man.....no cracka ass hatred....your man is in.........

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Nov 12, 2016 18:14:48   #
son of witless
 
Progressive One wrote:
Trump will counsel with Obama...because he wants two terms also........lose tha mama thing little man.....no cracka ass hatred....your man is in.........


Why does an educated man speak in a Black Street dialect?

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Nov 12, 2016 19:04:00   #
Progressive One
 
son of witless wrote:
Why does an educated man speak in a Black Street dialect?


because I can't speak inbred rural hillbilly.......plus, I'm not speaking to an educated audience....I proved that when I tried to post some intellectual/technical material and received name calling and weird ass pictures in return. How come you never ask your own about their language. When i'm in Rome...I do like the Romans......

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Nov 12, 2016 19:15:09   #
son of witless
 
Progressive One wrote:
because I can't speak inbred rural hillbilly.......plus, I'm not speaking to an educated audience....I proved that when I tried to post some intellectual/technical material and received name calling and weird ass pictures in return. How come you never ask your own about their language. When i'm in Rome...I do like the Romans......


I feel like I am speaking to my kids and one asks why the other gets treated better. I always tell each of them that the other gets treated better because I like them better. Your sibling is my favorite. Really messes with their heads. I don't ever ask my own about their language because I like them better than you.

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Nov 12, 2016 19:20:22   #
Progressive One
 
son of witless wrote:
I feel like I am speaking to my kids and one asks why the other gets treated better. I always tell each of them that the other gets treated better because I like them better. Your sibling is my favorite. Really messes with their heads. I don't ever ask my own about their language because I like them better than you.


Okay......good answer....thanks.........

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