Hey I don't blame you, it was my thread and got sick of it too It was never intended to be another Godly topic, and where it is connected... the human equation why we don't forgive is the problem, that's what I was looking for. Not for my own salvation, but to listen to others why they don't or how are they able, I have my own ideas but I like to hear from others, for me it's not a competition, or who's right and who's wrong. More along the line of different ways it works and aside from what PadreMike thinks there's always more than one way to a destination. One may be the long the other the short, it's all in the choices we make. JMO