saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

Doc, The reason I say that Muslim kids can go and pray is there is no state employee in charge. He or she goes into a room alone and prays as long as the student agrees to make up any work they missed. Christian children can absolutely do the same thing. I have never had that request from any child but a Muslim, and then only once or twice, in over thirty years. A church service in a state supported school, in a service led or having a state employee present is very different. In that case a state employee is being paid by the government, to be directly involved in religion. That clearly crosses the line, and you know it!
I was a teacher in Washington, D.C. for a few years. I objected when the school choir sang Christmas songs as the kids entered the high school the day before winter vacation. This was a case in which the music teacher, a public school employee, gave religious instruction to kids in a public school and was being paid to do so by the district. I was let go for protesting. I am proud that I stood up for the constitution, and would do so again, only the next time I would sue the district with the help of the ACLU.
The US Supreme Court has held in many decisions that the government may not show preference for one religion over another, or religion over atheism.

buffalo Loc: Texas

BULLSHIT!! That anti-Christian, giving prefrence to mooslimes, progression is what is wrong with this entire country, beginning with public schools.

"I am as sure as I am of Christ's reign that a comprehensive and centralized system of national education, separated from religion, as is now commonly proposed, will prove the most appalling enginery for the propagation of anti-Christian and atheistic unbelief, and of anti-social nihilistic ethics, individual, social and political, which this sin-rent world has ever seen."-A. A. Hodge, 1887

That prediction has become reality. Attitudes like yours, salty, have aided in making that prediction reality. With 48 million children going to public schools, five days a week, whose doctrine is being taught? Education in America has become "an ideological struggle in which our children are the prize." I wonder what it will take for Christian parents to remove their children from the indoctrination and unaccountable incompetence they are now receiving in public schools. In another 12 years there will be none left. Why does the marxist teachers union fight school vouchers and school choice so vehementently?

In the 60s when I was in grades 1-6, the teacher read the bible before the beginning of class each morning and we prayed before lunch, EVERY DAY. Corporal punishment was doled out from misbehavior to failing to do one's homework. There were no gangs, drug dealing, violence against teachers, or any of the other problems with today's education system.

Removing Christianity, corporal punishment and the federal government's capture of public education with its strings of money attached has been the downfall and failure of our public schools. The voucher system and returning local control could and would change that by making public school teachers and administrators accountable for their incompetence.

Big Bass

BLM is the absolute proof. (And who started it.)

Big Bass

The kids may start thinking and asking more about God. Now, we can't have that, can we?

buffalo Loc: Texas

They might regain some sense of decency and morality instead of the moonbatty moral relativism of the left.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

And favoritism over one religion to another just as hypocritical!!

Either none for all or return our moment of silence where all can quietly have recognition!

Isn't it amazing the excuses you read to justify one but not the other....ppfffttt

Big Bass

Loony-libs think decency and morality should never be allowed in schools.

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

According to these people it must be all non blacks. After all, they couldn't be racist against only whites can they, or is it just whites that are born racist?

Smokie

Many DO NOT!

Smokie

It matters not.

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

Christian children being not allowed to pray before or after school without supervision, but Muslim children being allowed to pray during class, IS NOT equal treatment.

And prior you said in your school, any student activity had to be accompanied by a paid employee and you objected to tax money supporting that. Now you say the Muslim children could go pray UNSUPERVISED.

That again is an unfair double standard. You are a hypocrite, perhaps a liar, and I am glad you are out of the school place where you no longer can influence the minds of school children with your double standards and skewed attitude.

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

Linda, this discussion is about Muslim children receiving preferential treatment. That is my objection. Equal treatment is required. Period.

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

buffalo, The Supreme Court correctly ruled that school prayer was unconstitutional. This is not anti-Christian, it is pro freedom of religion. As far as corporal punishment is concerned, study after study has shown that it is extremely harmful to the psychological growth of children. It is true for all mammals including kids.
As far as " marxist " teachers unions are concerned, I was a representative to my local chapter of the NEA for about ten years. I can't speak for the other large teacher's union, but we spent the large majority of our representative assembly discussing how we could help kids learn. Only secondarily did we talk about how we could improve our salary, and/or benefits. Twenty percent of new teachers quit within the first five years because the compensation was way to small to earn a descent living, and pay back school loans. When I retired, I had a doctorate in special education, and thirty three years of successful teaching experience. I wanted to substitute teach for a few years, but the pay the county offered made it not worth my while. Can you imagine the pay if I wanted to continue working in an area like finance with those credentials? If people want better teachers, they will have to attract better college graduates. That means higher pay and better benefits!
The voucher system would only take needed funds from public schools. If you want to send your child to a religious school, good for you, but you need to pay for it, and not ask other tax payers to help you out.

bilordinary Loc: SW Washington

Why don't you check out where the teachers make the most money!
Then tell me that teachers need more money.

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

big, I am well aware that a few locations in the country make good money. I have a friend that lives in Ryebrook, NY, and they make an excellent salary and have an excellent benefits package as well. They also have one of the top educational systems in the country. I retired to South Carolina, and the educational system in the state is terrible. The state has one of the highest drop out rates in the country. You get what you pay for!