New in Burton, Michigan: My name is Joey. I'm an air force veteran, and aspiring entrepreneur. I am registered as a democrat; however, I intend to register as an independent the next...

jdavisnburton Loc: Burton, MI

My name is Joey.
I'm an air force veteran, and aspiring entrepreneur.
I am registered as a democrat; however, I intend to register as an independent the next time I am able.

I strongly believe that we are overdue for government reforms.
Beginning with campaign finance, I believe that most people would agree that both parties spent obscene amounts in their efforts to elect some of the most corrupted candidates (*especially that, "corporations are people, too" crap) .
Continuing with legislation to "update and revise" the U S Constitution, in an effort to rescind current laws that undermine our individual rights:
(1.) The Second Amendment- despite the arguments to the contrary, there are no "absolute rights". For example, one of the first civics lessons most of us learned is, while we enjoy freedom of speech, we do not have the right to yell, "Fire" in a crowded theater, if there is no fire; likewise, we do not have the right to say, or publish derogatory information about anyone if the accusations are fabricated.
Thus, with the "right to bear arms", it is important (and only reasonable) to bear in mind that this amendment was written before the existence of telephone poles, disposable diapers, vaccines for many diseases that are preventable, and curable; the second amendment was written by men who did not foresee the emancipation of slaves, or women voters!
Given the fact that this amendment was written with no consideration of the possible development of automatic weapons, it is only reasonable to implement further amendments to protect our communities.
(2.) The Patriot Act- while the initial reasons for implementing this law were justifiable, it is clear that past, and current abuses make it necessary to fix, or rescind it altogether. Additionally, a lawsuit in which Netflix was forced to compensate select customers for privacy violations is an example of why we need more internet/electronic communications protection.
(3.) In addition to new laws governing those who are elected to represent us, we need stronger, strictly enforced laws covering restricted activities of lobbyist.

. . .since this is supposed to be my introduction, I'll continue my revisions in a subsequent posting.
Thanks!

BoJester

Welcome, and nice intro. Many different opinions on every topic, so you will be entertained reading them.
If you choose to reply to a particular post, us the 'quote reply' option so that the particular post will be referenced
Enjoy

jdavisnburton wrote:

My name is Joey.
I'm an air force veteran, and aspiring entrepreneur.
I am registered as a democrat; however, I intend to register as an independent the next time I am able.

I strongly believe that we are overdue for government reforms.
Beginning with campaign finance, I believe that most people would agree that both parties spent obscene amounts in their efforts to elect some of the most corrupted candidates (*especially that, "corporations are people, too" crap) .
Continuing with legislation to "update and revise" the U S Constitution, in an effort to rescind current laws that undermine our individual rights:
(1.) The Second Amendment- despite the arguments to the contrary, there are no "absolute rights". For example, one of the first civics lessons most of us learned is, while we enjoy freedom of speech, we do not have the right to yell, "Fire" in a crowded theater, if there is no fire; likewise, we do not have the right to say, or publish derogatory information about anyone if the accusations are fabricated.
Thus, with the "right to bear arms", it is important (and only reasonable) to bear in mind that this amendment was written before the existence of telephone poles, disposable diapers, vaccines for many diseases that are preventable, and curable; the second amendment was written by men who did not foresee the emancipation of slaves, or women voters!
Given the fact that this amendment was written with no consideration of the possible development of automatic weapons, it is only reasonable to implement further amendments to protect our communities.
(2.) The Patriot Act- while the initial reasons for implementing this law were justifiable, it is clear that past, and current abuses make it necessary to fix, or rescind it altogether. Additionally, a lawsuit in which Netflix was forced to compensate select customers for privacy violations is an example of why we need more internet/electronic communications protection.
(3.) In addition to new laws governing those who are elected to represent us, we need stronger, strictly enforced laws covering restricted activities of lobbyist.

. . .since this is supposed to be my introduction, I'll continue my revisions in a subsequent posting.
Thanks!

My name is Joey. br I'm an air force veteran, and ... (show quote)

Comment Loc: California

BoJester wrote:

Welcome, and nice intro. Many different opinions on every topic, so you will be entertained reading them.
If you choose to reply to a particular post, us the 'quote reply' option so that the particular post will be referenced
Enjoy

Welcome Joey. You seem to be a good American. Ie -- a favorable opinion.

bruce1954

Welcome,
I moslty agree with you, just would point out that The Revolutionist fought with, what were then, modern firearms equal to those who were fighting against them.

jdavisnburton Loc: Burton, MI

bruce1954 wrote:

Welcome,
I moslty agree with you, just would point out that The Revolutionist fought with, what were then, modern firearms equal to those who were fighting against them.

Thank you, sir.
When the Revolutionists fought, they did not have access to automatic weapons with 20 and 30 round magazines.
For clarification, I have NO OBJECTIONS to responsible citizens who choose to own & carry firearms.

Otherwise, I believe that in the wake of recent tragedies, the following measures are reasonable:
(1.) Back ground checks for all firearms purchases, and transfer applications;
(2.) *Tougher sentencing for ANYONE caught and convicted of possessing an unregistered firearm;
(3.) *Tougher sentencing for anyone convicted of an illegal discharge of a firearm in the commission of a crime, or assault (-by assault, I mean, "other than self-defense, or attempt to prevent a potentially deadly or serious assault upon another person, including rape);
(4.) Limitation on the number of rounds permitted in public.
**Consider:
/A/ Recording the type and quantity of ammunition purchased, the person making the purchases, and the frequency of the purchases;
/B/ Recording gun range visits.
** In the event that someone robs a bank, commits a drive-by, or other assault, it will be somewhat easier for investigators to eliminate the homeowner who purchases less than 30 rounds per year from potential suspects who purchase 300 rounds per week.
Of course, in the scenario submitted, it would not be possible to eliminate hunters, or people who practice on private property. Still, records would provide a measure of support for law enforcement.
Given sufficient support for this particular idea, it would be necessary to impose penalties for unauthorized sales of ammunition. I am not suggesting that private citizens should not be able to sell, or trade ammunition; I would suggest that in light of potential consequences, we need some regulations in place, if only a requirement to record the date, type, and quantity of ammunition, the names of those making the transactions, and the names of any witnesses available at the time of the transaction.

My MAIN concern is that of public safety. With DUE respect to those who are adamant about their second amendment rights, I took an oath to support and defend the constitution, and I have not abandoned my commitment to that oath. However, I would not place the value of anyone's asserted interpretation of their rights over the life of an innocent, law abiding citizen, -especially a child.

*Finally, "tougher sentencing" would require continuous, strict enforcement, and construction of more penitentiaries.
I'd be happy to share my ideas regarding how we would construct more penitentiaries.

Comment Loc: California

jdavisnburton wrote:

Thank you, sir.
When the Revolutionists fought, they did not have access to automatic weapons with 20 and 30 round magazines.
For clarification, I have NO OBJECTIONS to responsible citizens who choose to own & carry firearms.

Otherwise, I believe that in the wake of recent tragedies, the following measures are reasonable:
(1.) Back ground checks for all firearms purchases, and transfer applications;
(2.) *Tougher sentencing for ANYONE caught and convicted of possessing an unregistered firearm;
(3.) *Tougher sentencing for anyone convicted of an illegal discharge of a firearm in the commission of a crime, or assault (-by assault, I mean, "other than self-defense, or attempt to prevent a potentially deadly or serious assault upon another person, including rape);
(4.) Limitation on the number of rounds permitted in public.
**Consider:
/A/ Recording the type and quantity of ammunition purchased, the person making the purchases, and the frequency of the purchases;
/B/ Recording gun range visits.
** In the event that someone robs a bank, commits a drive-by, or other assault, it will be somewhat easier for investigators to eliminate the homeowner who purchases less than 30 rounds per year from potential suspects who purchase 300 rounds per week.
Of course, in the scenario submitted, it would not be possible to eliminate hunters, or people who practice on private property. Still, records would provide a measure of support for law enforcement.
Given sufficient support for this particular idea, it would be necessary to impose penalties for unauthorized sales of ammunition. I am not suggesting that private citizens should not be able to sell, or trade ammunition; I would suggest that in light of potential consequences, we need some regulations in place, if only a requirement to record the date, type, and quantity of ammunition, the names of those making the transactions, and the names of any witnesses available at the time of the transaction.

My MAIN concern is that of public safety. With DUE respect to those who are adamant about their second amendment rights, I took an oath to support and defend the constitution, and I have not abandoned my commitment to that oath. However, I would not place the value of anyone's asserted interpretation of their rights over the life of an innocent, law abiding citizen, -especially a child.

*Finally, "tougher sentencing" would require continuous, strict enforcement, and construction of more penitentiaries.
I'd be happy to share my ideas regarding how we would construct more penitentiaries.

Thank you, sir. br When the Revolutionists fought,... (show quote)

Instead of sexualling feeling out little old ladies and children at airports the gov should instead stop the Arabs from entering the USA, PORIOD. And stop all this other crap the TSA does.

bruce1954

jdavisnburton wrote:

Thank you, sir.
When the Revolutionists fought, they did not have access to automatic weapons with 20 and 30 round magazines.
For clarification, I have NO OBJECTIONS to responsible citizens who choose to own & carry firearms.

Otherwise, I believe that in the wake of recent tragedies, the following measures are reasonable:
(1.) Back ground checks for all firearms purchases, and transfer applications;
(2.) *Tougher sentencing for ANYONE caught and convicted of possessing an unregistered firearm;
(3.) *Tougher sentencing for anyone convicted of an illegal discharge of a firearm in the commission of a crime, or assault (-by assault, I mean, "other than self-defense, or attempt to prevent a potentially deadly or serious assault upon another person, including rape);
(4.) Limitation on the number of rounds permitted in public.
**Consider:
/A/ Recording the type and quantity of ammunition purchased, the person making the purchases, and the frequency of the purchases;
/B/ Recording gun range visits.
** In the event that someone robs a bank, commits a drive-by, or other assault, it will be somewhat easier for investigators to eliminate the homeowner who purchases less than 30 rounds per year from potential suspects who purchase 300 rounds per week.
Of course, in the scenario submitted, it would not be possible to eliminate hunters, or people who practice on private property. Still, records would provide a measure of support for law enforcement.
Given sufficient support for this particular idea, it would be necessary to impose penalties for unauthorized sales of ammunition. I am not suggesting that private citizens should not be able to sell, or trade ammunition; I would suggest that in light of potential consequences, we need some regulations in place, if only a requirement to record the date, type, and quantity of ammunition, the names of those making the transactions, and the names of any witnesses available at the time of the transaction.

My MAIN concern is that of public safety. With DUE respect to those who are adamant about their second amendment rights, I took an oath to support and defend the constitution, and I have not abandoned my commitment to that oath. However, I would not place the value of anyone's asserted interpretation of their rights over the life of an innocent, law abiding citizen, -especially a child.

*Finally, "tougher sentencing" would require continuous, strict enforcement, and construction of more penitentiaries.
I'd be happy to share my ideas regarding how we would construct more penitentiaries.

Thank you, sir. br When the Revolutionists fought,... (show quote)

Sir, we already have most of those laws on the books now.
More prisons will not fix anything.

You'r suggestions are with noble intent but, you are placing a heavy burden on the millions of honest law abiding gun owners because of a few extremists. Ya, know those anti gun people are the same people telling everyone that we should not judge Islam because of a few extremists yet they want to judge all gun owners by a few extremists.

And concerning the Revolutionists, No they didn't have automatic guns but neither did anyone else.
I think you fail to realize the intended meaning of the 2nd amendment.
Sure it would make it easier for law enforcement to catch the bad guys but, It would also make it easier for a tyrannical government to locate & confiscate guns.
Surly with all that is going on right now with our government ignoring the Constitution daily you can see why.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Welcome aboard, Joey. Looking forward to hearing from you! :mrgreen:

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Welcome aboard, Joey. Looking forward to hearing from you! :mrgreen: Good looking Family! :thumbup:

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

jdavisnburton wrote:

My name is Joey.
I'm an air force veteran, and aspiring entrepreneur.
I am registered as a democrat; however, I intend to register as an independent the next time I am able.

I strongly believe that we are overdue for government reforms.
Beginning with campaign finance, I believe that most people would agree that both parties spent obscene amounts in their efforts to elect some of the most corrupted candidates (*especially that, "corporations are people, too" crap) .
Continuing with legislation to "update and revise" the U S Constitution, in an effort to rescind current laws that undermine our individual rights:
(1.) The Second Amendment- despite the arguments to the contrary, there are no "absolute rights". For example, one of the first civics lessons most of us learned is, while we enjoy freedom of speech, we do not have the right to yell, "Fire" in a crowded theater, if there is no fire; likewise, we do not have the right to say, or publish derogatory information about anyone if the accusations are fabricated.
Thus, with the "right to bear arms", it is important (and only reasonable) to bear in mind that this amendment was written before the existence of telephone poles, disposable diapers, vaccines for many diseases that are preventable, and curable; the second amendment was written by men who did not foresee the emancipation of slaves, or women voters!
Given the fact that this amendment was written with no consideration of the possible development of automatic weapons, it is only reasonable to implement further amendments to protect our communities.
(2.) The Patriot Act- while the initial reasons for implementing this law were justifiable, it is clear that past, and current abuses make it necessary to fix, or rescind it altogether. Additionally, a lawsuit in which Netflix was forced to compensate select customers for privacy violations is an example of why we need more internet/electronic communications protection.
(3.) In addition to new laws governing those who are elected to represent us, we need stronger, strictly enforced laws covering restricted activities of lobbyist.

. . .since this is supposed to be my introduction, I'll continue my revisions in a subsequent posting.
Thanks!

My name is Joey. br I'm an air force veteran, and ... (show quote)

Did you truly mean "implement more amendments to protect our communities"? Are you talking about Amending the Constitution or "implementing" new laws. You do realize there are 300 gun guns currently on the books?

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

jdavisnburton wrote:

My name is Joey.
I'm an air force veteran, and aspiring entrepreneur.
I am registered as a democrat; however, I intend to register as an independent the next time I am able.

I strongly believe that we are overdue for government reforms.
Beginning with campaign finance, I believe that most people would agree that both parties spent obscene amounts in their efforts to elect some of the most corrupted candidates (*especially that, "corporations are people, too" crap) .
Continuing with legislation to "update and revise" the U S Constitution, in an effort to rescind current laws that undermine our individual rights:
(1.) The Second Amendment- despite the arguments to the contrary, there are no "absolute rights". For example, one of the first civics lessons most of us learned is, while we enjoy freedom of speech, we do not have the right to yell, "Fire" in a crowded theater, if there is no fire; likewise, we do not have the right to say, or publish derogatory information about anyone if the accusations are fabricated.
Thus, with the "right to bear arms", it is important (and only reasonable) to bear in mind that this amendment was written before the existence of telephone poles, disposable diapers, vaccines for many diseases that are preventable, and curable; the second amendment was written by men who did not foresee the emancipation of slaves, or women voters!
Given the fact that this amendment was written with no consideration of the possible development of automatic weapons, it is only reasonable to implement further amendments to protect our communities.
(2.) The Patriot Act- while the initial reasons for implementing this law were justifiable, it is clear that past, and current abuses make it necessary to fix, or rescind it altogether. Additionally, a lawsuit in which Netflix was forced to compensate select customers for privacy violations is an example of why we need more internet/electronic communications protection.
(3.) In addition to new laws governing those who are elected to represent us, we need stronger, strictly enforced laws covering restricted activities of lobbyist.

. . .since this is supposed to be my introduction, I'll continue my revisions in a subsequent posting.
Thanks!

My name is Joey. br I'm an air force veteran, and ... (show quote)

welcome aboard I too spent four years in the A/F then switched to the navy. I don't agree with most of what you posted but as long as it is kept civil I welcome your comments oh yes when I was in the A/F I was stationed at Lockbourne AFB

beenthere2 Loc: Florida Panhandle

jdavisnburton wrote:

Thank you, sir.
When the Revolutionists fought, they did not have access to automatic weapons with 20 and 30 round magazines.
For clarification, I have NO OBJECTIONS to responsible citizens who choose to own & carry firearms.

Otherwise, I believe that in the wake of recent tragedies, the following measures are reasonable:
(1.) Back ground checks for all firearms purchases, and transfer applications;
(2.) *Tougher sentencing for ANYONE caught and convicted of possessing an unregistered firearm;
(3.) *Tougher sentencing for anyone convicted of an illegal discharge of a firearm in the commission of a crime, or assault (-by assault, I mean, "other than self-defense, or attempt to prevent a potentially deadly or serious assault upon another person, including rape);
(4.) Limitation on the number of rounds permitted in public.
**Consider:
/A/ Recording the type and quantity of ammunition purchased, the person making the purchases, and the frequency of the purchases;
/B/ Recording gun range visits.
** In the event that someone robs a bank, commits a drive-by, or other assault, it will be somewhat easier for investigators to eliminate the homeowner who purchases less than 30 rounds per year from potential suspects who purchase 300 rounds per week.
Of course, in the scenario submitted, it would not be possible to eliminate hunters, or people who practice on private property. Still, records would provide a measure of support for law enforcement.
Given sufficient support for this particular idea, it would be necessary to impose penalties for unauthorized sales of ammunition. I am not suggesting that private citizens should not be able to sell, or trade ammunition; I would suggest that in light of potential consequences, we need some regulations in place, if only a requirement to record the date, type, and quantity of ammunition, the names of those making the transactions, and the names of any witnesses available at the time of the transaction.

My MAIN concern is that of public safety. With DUE respect to those who are adamant about their second amendment rights, I took an oath to support and defend the constitution, and I have not abandoned my commitment to that oath. However, I would not place the value of anyone's asserted interpretation of their rights over the life of an innocent, law abiding citizen, -especially a child.

*Finally, "tougher sentencing" would require continuous, strict enforcement, and construction of more penitentiaries.
I'd be happy to share my ideas regarding how we would construct more penitentiaries.

Thank you, sir. br When the Revolutionists fought,... (show quote)

jd; your ideas for gun and bullet registration sound like Natzi Gov.

jdavisnburton Loc: Burton, MI

bruce1954 wrote:

Sir, we already have most of those laws on the boo... (show quote)

Thank you for your reply (and civility).
However, I respectfully disagree on several points.
First, I will reserve my comments regarding the judgment of Islam for later.
Second, I'd submit my proposals in the interest of law and order. Law abiding citizens who stockpile ammunition to protect their homes are justified; when those same law abiding citizens take to the streets to "protect the communities" it is easy to see how chaos may ensue, resulting in unintended casualties.
Third, in view of the overcrowded prisons, and uncivilized who rape, rob, murder, abduct, and assault (and practice politics abusively), we definitely need more prisons.
I hope that you aren't one of those people who would prefer t, "save the tax payers the expense of a trial".
Otherwise, we need to take responsibility for our government. If there are any tyrants among us, especially those who ignore the Constitution, it is only because we have not stood up to demand the reforms that we need.
Finally, with regard to the Revolutionists:
when I submitted that they did not have automatic guns, you may have missed my point.
You obviously hold the Revolutionists in high esteem, so let me simply state that IF they had the foresight to conceive the (eventual) invention of automatic weapons with 10, 20, 30, and 100 round clips, in addition to the mere possibility that someone may fire indiscriminately in movie theaters, classrooms filled with elementary-aged school children, -don't you believe that when the Constitution was drafted, they would have insisted on including certain restrictions, in an effort to prevent the abuse of the right to own and bear firearms?

jdavisnburton Loc: Burton, MI

alex wrote:

welcome aboard I too spent four years in the A/F then switched to the navy. I don't agree with most of what you posted but as long as it is kept civil I welcome your comments oh yes when I was in the A/F I was stationed at Lockbourne AFB

I appreciate your reply, Alex.
I don't believe that we need to agree on everything to respect each other.
May God bless and prosper you in 2014, and beyond, my friend!

jdavisnburton Loc: Burton, MI

beenthere2 wrote:

jd; your ideas for gun and bullet registration sound like Natzi Gov.

I've never been a citizen of a Nazi government, but I understand your point.
Otherwise, I'll simply ask you this:
in view of the fact that current laws and enforcement measures have proven insufficient to protect children attending elementary school, people watching movies a cinemas, etc.,
what can we do to make our communities safer from those who are taking advantage of the current situation?
If everyone carried firearms, won't that increase the probability of unintended injuries?