ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

Trump was made aware of the flag issue, with and without yellow fringe months ago. If you do not know the difference then you should not be in this conversation.

the flags behind the Donald did not have a yellow fringe at the nomination.

that was a big deal.

then he spoke just recently and the flags behind him had the fringe.

that is a big deal he knows the difference.

then his VP states that obozo was born in Hawaii

that was a deal breaker for me.

then obozo speaks today/yesterday and the flags behind him have no yellow fringe!!

that is a first and a big deal

something very big is going down!! watch your ass.

jim keris

the fringe deal is not really that big of a deal, inside versus outside ceremonial or not

ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

Bullshit

Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth

Image of Trumps daughter giving him a lap dance at age 15!

http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/09/09/disturbing-image-surfaces-of-ivanka-trump-grinding-on-donalds-lap-at-a-concert-images/

ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

again you are not with the issue and are just another glaucon et al. so what !! you have no credibility.

robmull Loc: florida

PERVERT. Who in the hell, goofe, in their "right" mind would associate a girl sitting on her father's lap at a basketball game {or whatever}, and see it as a "lap dance?" Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TRUMP!!!

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Sounds like you're a member of the fringe element.

ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

sounds like you want to obfuscate.

bahmer

This is what I came up with regarding the Gold Fringed Flag. If I ever studied this in school it has been to long ago to remember. Is this true regarding the gold fringe.

GOLD FRINGED FLAG

The flags displayed in State courts and courts of the United States have gold or yellow fringes. That is your WARNING that you are entering into a foreign enclave, the same as if you are stepping into a foreign embassy and you will be under the jurisdiction of that flag. The flag with the gold or yellow fringe has no constitution, no laws, and no rules of court, and is not recognized by any nation on the earth, and is foreign to you and the United States of America. more information

MILITARY FLAG WITH THE GOLD FRINGE

Martial Law Flag "Pursuant to 4 U.S.C. chapter 1, §§1, 2, & 3; Executive Order 10834, August 21, 1959; 24 F.R.6865; a military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a YELLOW FRINGE border on three sides. The President of the United States designates this deviation from the regular flag, by executive order, and in his capacity as Commander-in-Chief of the military. The placing of a fringe on the national flag, the dimensions of the flag and the arrangement of the stars in the union are matters of detail not controlled by statute, but are within the discretion of the President as Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy." 34 Ops. Atty. Gen. 83.

President, Dwight David Eisenhower, by Executive Order No.10834, signed on August 21, 1959 and printed in the Federal Register at 24 F.R. 6865, pursuant to law, stated that: "A military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a yellow fringe border on three sides."

THE LAW OF THE FLAG

The Law of the Flag, an International Law, which is recognized by every nation of the planet, is defined as:

"... a rule to the effect that a vessel is a part of the territory of the nation whose flag she flies. The term is used to designate the RIGHTS under which a ship owner, who sends his vessel into a foreign port, gives notice by his flag to all who enter into contracts with the ship master that he intends the Law of that Flag to regulate those contracts, and that they must either submit to its operation or not contract with him or his agent at all." Ref.: Ruhstrat v. People, 57 N.E. 41

By the doctrine of "four cornering" the flag establishes the law of the country that it represents. For example, the embassies of foreign countries, in Washington D.C., are "four cornered" by walls or fencing, creating an "enclave." Within the boundaries of the "enclave" of the foreign embassy, the flag of that foreign country establishes the jurisdiction and law of that foreign country, which will be enforced by the Law of the Flag and international treaty. If you enter an embassy, you will be subject to the laws of that country, just as if you board a ship flying a foreign flag, you will be subject to the laws of that flag, enforceable by the "master of the ship," (Captain), by the law of the flag.

When you enter a courtroom displaying a gold or yellow fringed flag, you have just entered into a foreign country, and you better have your passport with you, because you may not be coming back to the land of the free for a long time. The judge sitting under a gold or yellow fringe flag becomes the "captain" or "master" of that ship or enclave and he has absolute power to make the rules as he goes. The gold or yellow fringe flag is your warning that you are leaving your Constitutionally secured RIGHTS on the floor outside the door to that courtroom.

This is exactly why so many judges are appointed, and not elected by the people. The Federal judges are appointed by the President, the national military commander in chief. The State judges are appointed by the Governors, the state military commanders. The judges are appointed because the courts are military courts and civilians do not "elect" military officers.

Under martial law, you are presumed guilty until proven innocent.

The gold-fringed flag only stands inside military courts that sit in summary court martial proceedings against civilians and such courts are governed in part by local rules, but more especially by "The Manual of Courts Martial", U.S., 1994 Ed., at Art. 99, (c)(1)(b), pg. IV-34, PIN 030567-0000, U.S. Government Printing Office, Wash. D.C. The details of the crimes that civilians can commit, that are classed as 'Acts of War,' cover 125 pages in the Manual of Courts Martial.

Under Article IV, section 3, of the Constitution for the united States of America, no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State. So -- Why have the judges of the State and Federal courts been allowed to erect foreign enclaves within our public courthouses under a foreign flag with the yellow fringe upon the soil of your state?

We just thought you would like to know, so that the next time you see this yellow fringed flag you will know what you are looking at and what it really means. If you are in Spain and you see the National Flag of Spain, you would know that you are under the jurisdiction of Spain; and their laws govern you at this time. You are officially NOTICED when you see their flag. This is an admiralty law that says that all who see this flag understand they are governed by the laws of the country that this flag represents. You SHOULD understand that the gold or yellow fringed flag signifies the same thing. It is a notice to you that you are under the rules and regulations of the military force that is flying that flag.

Are you familiar with martial law?

Does your attorney understand what this flag means?

"It is an elementary rule of pleading, that a plea to the jurisdiction is a tacit (silent) admission that the court has a right to judge the case and is a waiver to all exception to the jurisdiction."(Girty v. Logan, 6 Bush KY, 8)

ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

Well done. when an American national enters that court "it is by special appearance only" demand the flags are removed and open the court in common law and any sovereign can do that. otherwise your ass is on the line with statutes and the current DC municipal court aka Federal district court inc. may or may not follow the law.

ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

you are detestable.

pafret Loc: Northeast

The person who wrote this needs a plastic window for his belly. The gold fringe does not define a foreign sovereignty and no court in the United States is a nation unto itself. Who in his right mind would allow a foreign nation to adjudicate the laws of his country?

The Gold Fringe was primarily adopted by the military as a special honor and one of the general orders for soldiers require them to “salute all colors not cased”. The Colors flag was prominently displayed in a case or on a staff. In the later display it required a salute upon entering the room where it was displayed.

There is no law requiring or prohibiting the use of colors (gold fringe) on flags. They generally were used indoors because the fringe deteriorated with sun and wind. They appeared quite often in parades, both civilian and military since in this use their exposure to the elements was limited


http://www.usflag.org/colors.html

What do the colors of the Flag mean?
Sentimental writers and orators sometimes ascribe meanings to the colors in the flag. The practice is erroneous, as are statements on this subject attributed to George Washington and other founders of the country.
From the book "Our Flag" published in 1989 by the House of Representatives...
"On July 4, 1776, the Continental Congress passed a resolution authorizing a committee to devise a seal for the United States of America. This mission, designed to reflect the Founding Fathers' beliefs, values, and sovereignty of the new Nation, did not become a reality until June 20, 1782. In heraldic devices, such as seals, each element has a specific meaning. Even colors have specific meanings. The colors red, white, and blue did not have meanings for The Stars and Stripes when it was adopted in 1777. However, the colors in the Great Seal did have specific meanings. Charles Thompson, Secretary of the Continental Congress, reporting to Congress on the Seal, stated:
"The colors of the pales (the vertical stripes) are those used in the flag of the United States of America; White signifies purity and innocence, Red, hardiness & valour, and Blue, the color of the Chief (the broad band above the stripes) signifies vigilance, perseverance & justice."
Also this from a book about the flag published in 1977 by the House of Representatives...
"The star is a symbol of the heavens and the divine goal to which man has aspired from time immemorial; the stripe is symbolic of the rays of light emanating from the sun."
The quote below concerning gold fringe on the Flag is from the book "So Proudly We Hail, The History of the United States Flag" Smithsonian Institute Press 1981, by William R. Furlong and Byron McCandless. "The placing of a fringe on Our Flag is optional with the person of organization, and no Act of Congress or Executive Order either prohibits the practice, according to the Institute of Hearaldry. Fringe is used on indoor flags only, as fringe on flags on outdoor flags would deteriorate rapidly. The fringe on a Flag is considered and 'honorable enrichment only', and its official use by the US Army dates from 1895.. A 1925 Attorney General's Opinion states: 'the fringe does not appear to be regarded as an integral part of the Flag, and its presence cannot be said to constitute an unauthorized addition to the design prescribed by statute. An external fringe is to be distinguished from letters, words, or emblematic designs printed or superimposed upon the body of the flag itself. Under law, such additions might be open to objection as unauthorized; but the same is not necessarily true of the fringe.'"
The gold trim is generally used on ceremonial indoor flags that are used for special services and is believed to have been first used in a military setting. It has no specific significance that I have ever run across, and its (gold trim) use is in compliance with applicable flag codes and laws.

ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

you are a server of dis and mis information. if you lie enough some will believe the lie.

pafret Loc: Northeast

You are a believer of bull dung.

As a soldier I saluted that flag and had many military indoctrination sessions (weekly occurrence) wherein the nature of the colors was explained and the military courtesies due those colors was drilled into us. Any court in the US is either a State Court, subject to the laws of that state or a Federal Court and subject to the laws of the nation. There are no sovereign courts, there can be no sovereign courts and the Federal courts are one of the three Constitutionally established branches of our government.

So who is mis-informed or misguided? Or do you deny the courts are subject to the Constittution?

ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

I too was in the military 3 years 11 months and 28 days. My enlistment was a fraud, the corporate governance had long since stolen my Constituional rights and subverted our government. You talk about lots of stuff and ignore that by martial law maybe since 1861 we have had fraud perpetrated upon us. YES indoctrination until you accept the lie as truth and then defend the lie. there is no Article III sec 2 court PERIOD for American nationals onlt US citizens with the bogus 14th amendment privileges. Read Amendment 11. Rod Class is correct.