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Sep 25, 2016 07:52:29   #
badbob85037
 
straightUp wrote:
I guess the first thing to point out is that Republicans in the general population basically don't know what they are doing. So it's not like they are killing people intentionally - they just don't understand things like cause and effect unless the process is blatantly obvious. For example... they understand that Larry's wisecrack caused Moe to poke him in the eye, but they don't understand that ISIS is a long-term consequence of invading Iraq in 2003.


I guess you have some more splain to do. When one talks about another supporting someone with more baggage than a Greyhound Bus it doesn't only make everything he says a joke but a bad joke.



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Sep 25, 2016 16:51:38   #
Progressive One
 
badbob85037 wrote:
I guess you have some more splain to do. When one talks about another supporting someone with more baggage than a Greyhound Bus it doesn't only make everything he says a joke but a bad joke.


The only baggage Hillary has is from right wing bullshit and half-truths.....look at all of their failed hearings............the smear campaign will not work...watch Hillary take t-Rump apart tomorrow. Education does matter.............

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Sep 25, 2016 16:52:11   #
Progressive One
 
Scope of Trump’s lies unmatched

No modern-day major presidential nominee has been so provably dishonest — not that his loyalists mind.

BY MICHAEL FINNEGAN
MIAMI — Donald Trump says that taxes in the United States are higher than almost anywhere else on Earth. They’re not.
He says he opposed the Iraq war from the start. He didn’t.
Now, after years of spreading the lie that President Obama was born in Africa, Trump says that Hillary Clinton did it first (untrue) and that he’s the one who put the controversy to rest (also untrue).
Never in modern presidential politics has a major candidate made false statements as routinely as Trump has. Over and over, independent researchers have examined what the Republican nominee says and concluded it was not the truth, but “pants on fire” (PolitiFact) or “four Pinocchios” (Washington Post Fact Checker).
Trump’s candidacy was premised on upending a dishonest establishment that has rigged American political and economic life, so many of his loyalists are willing to overlook his lies as long as he rankles the powerful, said Republican strategist Rob Stutzman.
“It gives him not only license, but incentive to spin fantasy, because no one expects him to tell the truth,” said Stutzman, who worked against Trump during the primaries. “They believe they’re getting lied to constantly, so if their hero tells lies in order to strike back, they don’t care.”
Still, Trump’s pattern of saying things that are provably false has no doubt contributed to his high unfavorable ratings. It also has forced journalists to grapple with how aggressive they should be in correcting candidates’ inaccurate statements, particularly in the presidential debates that start Monday.
At a time of deep public mistrust of the news media, the arbitration of statements of fact, long seen as one of reporters’ most basic duties, runs the risk of being perceived as partisan bias.
But so does the shirking of that role. Fox News anchor Chris Wallace, one of the debate moderators, has faced a storm of criticism for telling CNN: “It’s not my job to be a truth squad.”
After a Sept. 7 town hall on NBC, critics skewered moderator Matt Lauer for failing to correct Trump’s false statement that he had opposed the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. CBS correspondent Lesley Stahl drew milder reprimands for letting Trump repeat the same lie twice in a July interview on “60 Minutes”; she responded “yeah” both times with no correction.
Trump’s Democratic rival faces integrity questions of her own. A new Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll found that 41% of voters saw Trump as better than Clinton at being honest and straightforward; just 31% thought that Clinton would be better than Trump in that area.
Republicans have pointed to Clinton’s use of a private email server when she was secretary of State to cast doubt on her honesty, saying she has been untrustworthy for decades. Her efforts to fight back were damaged when FBI Director James B. Comey said in early July that she had been “extremely careless” in her handling of emails that officials said should have been considered classified.
Nonetheless, the scope of Trump’s falsehoods is unprecedented, and he is dogged in refusing to stop saying things once they are proved untrue.
BuzzFeed unearthed an audio recording showing that Trump backed the Iraq invasion and a 2011 video in which he called for swift military action against Moammar Kadafi, then the leader of Libya. In the months since those disclosures, Trump has lied dozens of times on both issues, saying he opposed the use of force in Iraq and Libya.
Trump campaign representatives Hope Hicks and Jason Miller did not respond to an email requesting comment on the candidate’s history of falsehoods.
Thomas E. Mann, a resident scholar at UC Berkeley’s Institute of Governmental Studies, said Trump appears to recognize that a faction of the Republican Party has lost respect for facts, evidence and science — presuming, for example, that anything negative said about Obama is probably true.
Moreover, he said, the New York business mogul once thrived as a reality-television star on “The Apprentice,” and in that realm there’s “no need to have any touch with genuine reality — it’s all as he defines it.”
“He’s a salesman,” Mann said. “He’s a con man. He’s hustled people out of money that they’re owed. He’s lived off tax shelters. He’s always looking for a scheme and a con, and in that sphere, you just fall into telling lies as a matter of course.”
In “Trump: The Art of the Deal,” his 1987 bestseller, Trump said “a little hyperbole never hurts.”
“People believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration — and a very effective form of promotion,” he said.
Trump’s coauthor, Tony Schwartz, put it less benignly in a July interview with the New Yorker. “He lied strategically,” Schwartz recalled. “He had a complete lack of conscience about it.”
PolitiFact, a Tampa Bay Times website that won a Pulitzer Prize for its coverage of the 2008 election, has rated 70% of the Trump statements it has checked as mostly false, false or “pants on fire,” its lowest score. By contrast, 28% of Clinton’s statements earned those ratings.
“As we noted when we awarded Trump our 2015 Lie of the Year award for his portfolio of misstatements, no other politician has as many statements rated so far down the dial,” PolitiFact writer Lauren Carroll reported in June. “It’s unlike anything we’ve ever seen.”
At a recent Trump rally in downtown Miami, supporters vouched for his trustworthiness.
“I think he has been very straightforward, whether people like it or not,” said Rosario Rodriguez-Ruiz, 42, a Republican real estate broker and accountant.
Some in the audience conceded that Trump might have cut corners in business, but said they were more troubled by what they called Clinton’s dishonesty about her email and the deadly 2012 raid on the U.S. diplomatic outpost in Benghazi, Libya. Miguel Pita, 56, said Trump had to “bend the rules” to avoid taxes. “I look at it as a ‘catch me if you can’-type of deal,” he said.
Suzanne Roberts, 61, a retired Miami finance professor, said Clinton was “capable of spreading heinous rumors about anything , anyone, at any time.” As Elton John’s “Funeral for a Friend” blasted through the concert hall’s loudspeakers, she said Trump was correct to argue for five years that Obama was born outside the United States.
“He was born on a naval base in Mombasa, Kenya — that’s what I think,” Roberts said. “I’ve done some research.”
A few days earlier, Trump spoke at a black church in Flint, Mich. When he started to criticize Clinton, the pastor interrupted and asked him not to give a political speech.
“The audience was saying, ‘Let him speak, let him speak,’ ” Trump later told Fox News.
“That isn’t true,” reported National Public Radio correspondent Scott De-trow, an eyewitness. “In fact, several audience members began to heckle Trump, asking pointed questions about whether he racially discriminated against black tenants as a landlord.”
When Trump released his child-care plan on Sept. 13, he said Clinton didn’t have one. She did. He has often described himself as popular among African Americans; the latest Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll found 7% of black voters support him.
Trump also depicts crime as rising and out of control in America’s inner cities, despite years of falling crime rates. He has said that black people kill 81% of white homicide victims, when in fact whites kill 82% of white homicide victims, according to PolitiFact.
Marty Kaplan, a professor of entertainment, media and society at USC’s Annenberg School for Communication and Journalism, has two theories on Trump’s falsehoods.
Perhaps he’s just putting on an act, like P.T. Barnum — a “marketer, con, snake-oil salesman who knows better, knows how to get the rubes into the tent.” Or maybe, Kaplan suggested, Trump is just “completely unconstrained by logic, rules, tradition, truth, law.”
“I’m confused,” he said, “whether the whole fact-free zone that he’s in is a strategic calculation or a kind of psychosis.” michael.finnegan  @latimes.com   Twitter:@finneganLAT


EVAN VUCCI Associated Press
MATT LAUER, facing Donald Trump, was criticized after this town hall for not challenging Trump’s repeated falsehood that he had opposed the invasion of Iraq.

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Sep 25, 2016 17:04:48   #
Progressive One
 
An easy decision: Clinton for president
AMERICAN VOTERS HAVE a clear choice on Nov. 8. We can elect an experienced, thoughtful and deeply knowledgeable public servant or a thin-skinned demagogue who is unqualified and unsuited to be president.
Donald J. Trump, a billionaire businessman and television personality, is the latter. He has never held elected office and has shown himself temperamentally unfit to do so. He has run a divisive, belligerent, dishonest campaign, repeatedly aligning himself with racists, strongmen and thugs while maligning or dismissing large segments of the American public. Electing Trump could be catastrophic for the nation.
By contrast, Hillary Clinton is one of the best prepared candidates to seek the presidency in many years. As a first lady, a Democratic senator from New York and secretary of State in President Obama’s first term, she immersed herself in the details of government, which is why her positions on the issues today are infinitely better thought-out than those of her opponent.
She stands for rational, comprehensive immigration reform and an improvement rather than an abandonment of the Affordable Care Act. She supports abortion rights, wants to raise the federal minimum wage to $12 an hour, hopes to reform the sentencing laws that have overcrowded American prisons, would repair the Voting Rights Act and help students to leave college without enormous debt. Abroad she would strengthen America’s traditional alliances, continue the Obama administration’s efforts to “degrade and ultimately defeat” Islamic State and negotiate with potential adversaries such as Russia and China in a way that balances realism and the protection of American interests. Unlike Trump, Clinton accepts the prevailing science on climate change and considers the issue to be “the defining challenge of our time.”
A pragmatist and an advocate
Perhaps her greatest strength is her pragmatism — her ability to build consensus and solve problems. As president, she would be flexible enough and experienced enough to cut across party lines and work productively with her political opponents. As first lady, she worked with Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Massachusetts) and Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) to create the Children’s Health Insurance Program, which provides healthcare coverage to more than 8 million children. As a senator, she was instrumental in persuading a Republican president to deliver billions of dollars in aid to New York after September 11. As secretary of State, she led the charge to persuade nations around the world to impose the tough sanctions on Iran that led to the landmark nuclear agreement.
Throughout her public career, beginning with her work in the 1970s for the Children’s Defense Fund, Clinton has advocated for women, children, the poor and minorities. She fought for what came to be known as “Hillarycare” 15 years before “Obamacare” became a thing; she has been outspoken in defense of women’s rights around the globe, including in her powerful and influential speech in Beijing in 1995 proclaiming that “women’s rights are human rights.”
Clinton’s long history of advocacy and public service stands in stark contrast to Trump’s record of virtually no leadership at all. He’s famous and wealthy, a TV personality, a showman — but what in his resume suggests he is qualified to lead the country? In the coming weeks, Trump will no doubt try harder to appear presidential, but surely voters won’t forget the long litany of insults, lies, threats and ignorant statements he has made about everyone from Mexicans and Muslims to a disabled reporter to Sen. John McCain, to the family of a dead Muslim-American soldier, to President Obama.
Politics of resentment and fear
Trump’s ignorance of the issues is manifest. He has called climate change “a hoax” and vowed to renegotiate the Paris climate accord. Obamacare would be repealed and replaced with “something great.” His signature proposal is to construct a wall along the southern border of the U.S. — and have Mexico pay the billions of dollars it would cost. Mexico, unsurprisingly, insists it will not. As for the 11 million immigrants already in the U.S. illegally, they would either be rounded up and deported (though experts say that will cost billions, disrupt the economy, divide families and require massive violations of civil liberties) or perhaps some would be allowed to remain, living in the shadows.
Trump doesn’t take America’s global alliances seriously, he has cozied up to Russian strongman Vladimir Putin and he has promised to bring back waterboarding “and worse.” His pronouncements, though vague and sometimes contradictory, raise the specter of an iron-fisted leader taking action based on gut impulses — rather than a president seeking common ground among citizens in a politically polarized country.
In the style of earlier demagogues like Huey Long and George Wallace, Trump has aimed his misleading and mean-spirited diatribes at a struggling and frustrated segment of society — apparently touching a chord with voters who have experienced years of stagnant wages, whose jobs are threatened, who feel betrayed by Washington and nostalgic for a more prosperous past. To these voters Trump bashes immigrants and free trade and rails about law and order, promising to make America great again and assuring them that he alone can solve their problems. But those who put their hope in Trump’s politics of resentment and fear are making a terrible mistake.
The more rational wing of the Republican party has been appalled by the direction in which the GOP is moving, and its braver members have spoken up. Mitt Romney called Trump “unfit.” Michael Bloomberg endorsed Clinton. Susan Collins, Lindsey Graham, Meg Whitman and Brent Scowcroft have all declined to support their party’s nominee, as have many others. Fifty national security experts who worked in Republican administrations wrote: “Mr. Trump lacks the character, values, and experience to be president. He weakens U.S. moral authority as the leader of the free world. He appears to lack basic knowledge about and belief in the U.S. Constitution, U.S. laws, and U.S. institutions, including religious tolerance, freedom of the press, and an independent judiciary.”
Some voters who do not like Trump worry that Clinton, too, has serious shortcomings. And of course she does; all politicians do. She has a penchant for secrecy that has caused her significant problems, not least the investigation of her ill-advised decision to use a private email server for her official communications as secretary of State. It is true that her family foundation took millions of dollars from foreign leaders and overseas business people while she was in Obama’s cabinet, creating the potential for conflicts of interest. She and her husband have spent years among the rich and powerful and have grown at home in that favor-trading world in a way that makes many voters uneasy. This page has criticized her for adjusting her positions to match popular opinion and for being a little too comfortable with the use of military force. And at least on the hustings, she lacks the authentic, let’s-have-a-beer personality that many voters seek in a candidate.
The better candidate, by far
To be a great president, she will have to struggle to overcome her own weaknesses. But compared with Trump’s infirmities as a candidate, her failings are insignificant. It’s absurd — and perilous — to portray this election, as so many are doing, as a choice of the “lesser of two evils” or to suggest that her flaws are in any way on a level with his.
Neither Libertarian Gary Johnson nor Green Party candidate Jill Stein offers a serious alternative. Even voters who have questions about Clinton must recognize that neither Stein nor Johnson stands a chance of winning — and that a vote for either is merely one less vote for the only candidate who can defeat Trump. Besides, neither is a better candidate than Clinton; both were interviewed at length by The Times editorial board, and despite certain superficial appeal, neither comes close to matching Clinton’s qualifications, expertise or understanding of the political process.
The election of Hillary Clinton as the first female president of the United States would surely be as exhilarating as it is long overdue, a watershed moment in American history after centuries of discrimination against women. But that’s not the chief reason to vote for her. She deserves America’s support because she is the overwhelmingly better candidate. Against a Romney or a McCain, she would almost certainly be our choice. Against Trump? The question answers itself.
Every presidential race is described as “defining.” This time, it’s true. Americans must not sit this election out, but cast their votes for Hillary Clinton over her dangerous Republican opponent, Donald Trump.

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Sep 26, 2016 07:13:26   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
A few HRC quotes:
"I don't recall" - Hillary Rodham Clinton
"I don't recall" - Hillary Rodham Clinton
"I don't recall" - Hillary Rodham Clinton
How many more like this will there be? 40 and counting so far.
http://www.mediaite.com/election-2016/heres-all-40-times-hillary-clinton-told-the-fbi-she-couldnt-remember-something/
The FBI and corrupt Attorney General, Janet Neapolitan, accepted that.
Works at the IRS for Democrats also?
Hillary unwound:
Hillary Clinton: A Lying Compilation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTNyYTsk5gs
Then there is the Clinton Dead List.
She is one hum-dinger.

The debate tonight is going to be a humdinger!!!!
Then watch the Talking Heads on CNN,MSNBC attempt to spin it.
Hopefully it was watched.

BTW; CSPN shows it all live. No BS in the mix!!!

A Democrat In 2016 wrote:
The only baggage Hillary has is from right wing bullshit and half-truths.....look at all of their failed hearings............the smear campaign will not work...watch Hillary take t-Rump apart tomorrow. Education does matter.............

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Sep 26, 2016 07:25:38   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
WHAT ARE MY CHOICES?

The folks speaking out against Trump are helping me make up my mind a little more every day!
Is he the Perfect Candidate whose thoughts mirrors mine on all fronts? NOPE
Does he say everything the way I wish he would say it? NOPE
Am I absolutely sure that his motives are absolutely Pure? NOPE
Can I point to any other Dem Politician that I like better? NOPE
Is there any of the other RINO Politicians I like better? NOPE
Am I going to sit home, refuse to Vote, and let Hillary win; because he is NOT Perfect? NOPE
Do I like what I have seen for the last 7-1/2 years with the Jerk that sleeps in my White House? NOPE
Do I like the "fundamental changes" that same Jerk has brought about in MY America ? NOPE

OK, your turn to decide what you are going to do in about 4 months!
Trump's presidential qualifications…
Obama is against Trump... Check
The Media are against Trump... Check
The establishment Democrats are against Trump... Check
The establishment Republicans are against Trump... Check
The Pope is against Trump... Check
The UN is against Trump... Check
The EU is against Trump... Check
China is against Trump... Check
Mexico is against Trump... Check
Soros is against Trump... Check
Black Lives Matter is against Trump... Check
Move On is against Trump... Check
Koch Brothers are against Trump... Check
Bushes are against Trump ... Check
Planned Parenthood is against Trump....Check
Hillary & Bernie are both against Trump ... Check
Illegal aliens are against Trump ... Check
Islam is against Trump ... Check
Kasich is against Trump ... Check
Hateful, racist, violent Liberals are against Trump.. Check
NOW THAT BEING SAID...
It seems to me, Trump MUST BE the Best Qualified Candidate we could ever have.
If you have so many political insiders and left wing NUT CASES--- all SCARED TO DEATH, that they all speak out against him at the same time!
Most of all, it will be the People's Choice...

PLUS

He's not a Lifetime Politician...Check
He's not a Lawyer.....Check
He's not doing it for the money...Check
He's a Natural Born American Citizen born in the USA from American parents. . .
Bonus points !
Whoopi says she will leave the country...
Rosie says she will leave the country...
Sharpton says he will leave the country...
Cher says she will leave the country...
Cyrus says she will leave the country...
The Constitution and the Bill of Rights will prevail....
Hillary will go to jail.....
The budget will be balanced in 8 years....
Americans will have first choice at jobs.....
You will not be able to marry your pet....
You will be able to keep your gun(s) if you qualify...
(Not a criminal or crazy, etc.)
Only living, registered U.S. citizens can vote....

MUST SHOW ID TO VOTE...
You can have and keep your own doctor.....
You can say whatever you want without being called a racist, Islamophobic, xenophobic, etc....
Come to think of it, we have no place to go, but UP!





A Democrat In 2016 wrote:
Scope of Trump’s lies unmatched

No modern-day major presidential nominee has been so provably dishonest — not that his loyalists mind.

BY MICHAEL FINNEGAN
MIAMI — Donald Trump says that taxes in the United States are higher than almost anywhere else on Earth. They’re not.
He says he opposed the Iraq war from the start. He didn’t.
Now, after years of spreading the lie that President Obama was born in Africa, Trump says that Hillary Clinton did it first (untrue) and that he’s the one who put the controversy to rest (also untrue).
Never in modern presidential politics has a major candidate made false statements as routinely as Trump has. Over and over, independent researchers have examined what the Republican nominee says and concluded it was not the truth, but “pants on fire” (PolitiFact) or “four Pinocchios” (Washington Post Fact Checker).
Trump’s candidacy was premised on upending a dishonest establishment that has rigged American political and economic life, so many of his loyalists are willing to overlook his lies as long as he rankles the powerful, said Republican strategist Rob Stutzman.
“It gives him not only license, but incentive to spin fantasy, because no one expects him to tell the truth,” said Stutzman, who worked against Trump during the primaries. “They believe they’re getting lied to constantly, so if their hero tells lies in order to strike back, they don’t care.”
Still, Trump’s pattern of saying things that are provably false has no doubt contributed to his high unfavorable ratings. It also has forced journalists to grapple with how aggressive they should be in correcting candidates’ inaccurate statements, particularly in the presidential debates that start Monday.
At a time of deep public mistrust of the news media, the arbitration of statements of fact, long seen as one of reporters’ most basic duties, runs the risk of being perceived as partisan bias.
But so does the shirking of that role. Fox News anchor Chris Wallace, one of the debate moderators, has faced a storm of criticism for telling CNN: “It’s not my job to be a truth squad.”
After a Sept. 7 town hall on NBC, critics skewered moderator Matt Lauer for failing to correct Trump’s false statement that he had opposed the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. CBS correspondent Lesley Stahl drew milder reprimands for letting Trump repeat the same lie twice in a July interview on “60 Minutes”; she responded “yeah” both times with no correction.
Trump’s Democratic rival faces integrity questions of her own. A new Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll found that 41% of voters saw Trump as better than Clinton at being honest and straightforward; just 31% thought that Clinton would be better than Trump in that area.
Republicans have pointed to Clinton’s use of a private email server when she was secretary of State to cast doubt on her honesty, saying she has been untrustworthy for decades. Her efforts to fight back were damaged when FBI Director James B. Comey said in early July that she had been “extremely careless” in her handling of emails that officials said should have been considered classified.
Nonetheless, the scope of Trump’s falsehoods is unprecedented, and he is dogged in refusing to stop saying things once they are proved untrue.
BuzzFeed unearthed an audio recording showing that Trump backed the Iraq invasion and a 2011 video in which he called for swift military action against Moammar Kadafi, then the leader of Libya. In the months since those disclosures, Trump has lied dozens of times on both issues, saying he opposed the use of force in Iraq and Libya.
Trump campaign representatives Hope Hicks and Jason Miller did not respond to an email requesting comment on the candidate’s history of falsehoods.
Thomas E. Mann, a resident scholar at UC Berkeley’s Institute of Governmental Studies, said Trump appears to recognize that a faction of the Republican Party has lost respect for facts, evidence and science — presuming, for example, that anything negative said about Obama is probably true.
Moreover, he said, the New York business mogul once thrived as a reality-television star on “The Apprentice,” and in that realm there’s “no need to have any touch with genuine reality — it’s all as he defines it.”
“He’s a salesman,” Mann said. “He’s a con man. He’s hustled people out of money that they’re owed. He’s lived off tax shelters. He’s always looking for a scheme and a con, and in that sphere, you just fall into telling lies as a matter of course.”
In “Trump: The Art of the Deal,” his 1987 bestseller, Trump said “a little hyperbole never hurts.”
“People believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration — and a very effective form of promotion,” he said.
Trump’s coauthor, Tony Schwartz, put it less benignly in a July interview with the New Yorker. “He lied strategically,” Schwartz recalled. “He had a complete lack of conscience about it.”
PolitiFact, a Tampa Bay Times website that won a Pulitzer Prize for its coverage of the 2008 election, has rated 70% of the Trump statements it has checked as mostly false, false or “pants on fire,” its lowest score. By contrast, 28% of Clinton’s statements earned those ratings.
“As we noted when we awarded Trump our 2015 Lie of the Year award for his portfolio of misstatements, no other politician has as many statements rated so far down the dial,” PolitiFact writer Lauren Carroll reported in June. “It’s unlike anything we’ve ever seen.”
At a recent Trump rally in downtown Miami, supporters vouched for his trustworthiness.
“I think he has been very straightforward, whether people like it or not,” said Rosario Rodriguez-Ruiz, 42, a Republican real estate broker and accountant.
Some in the audience conceded that Trump might have cut corners in business, but said they were more troubled by what they called Clinton’s dishonesty about her email and the deadly 2012 raid on the U.S. diplomatic outpost in Benghazi, Libya. Miguel Pita, 56, said Trump had to “bend the rules” to avoid taxes. “I look at it as a ‘catch me if you can’-type of deal,” he said.
Suzanne Roberts, 61, a retired Miami finance professor, said Clinton was “capable of spreading heinous rumors about anything , anyone, at any time.” As Elton John’s “Funeral for a Friend” blasted through the concert hall’s loudspeakers, she said Trump was correct to argue for five years that Obama was born outside the United States.
“He was born on a naval base in Mombasa, Kenya — that’s what I think,” Roberts said. “I’ve done some research.”
A few days earlier, Trump spoke at a black church in Flint, Mich. When he started to criticize Clinton, the pastor interrupted and asked him not to give a political speech.
“The audience was saying, ‘Let him speak, let him speak,’ ” Trump later told Fox News.
“That isn’t true,” reported National Public Radio correspondent Scott De-trow, an eyewitness. “In fact, several audience members began to heckle Trump, asking pointed questions about whether he racially discriminated against black tenants as a landlord.”
When Trump released his child-care plan on Sept. 13, he said Clinton didn’t have one. She did. He has often described himself as popular among African Americans; the latest Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll found 7% of black voters support him.
Trump also depicts crime as rising and out of control in America’s inner cities, despite years of falling crime rates. He has said that black people kill 81% of white homicide victims, when in fact whites kill 82% of white homicide victims, according to PolitiFact.
Marty Kaplan, a professor of entertainment, media and society at USC’s Annenberg School for Communication and Journalism, has two theories on Trump’s falsehoods.
Perhaps he’s just putting on an act, like P.T. Barnum — a “marketer, con, snake-oil salesman who knows better, knows how to get the rubes into the tent.” Or maybe, Kaplan suggested, Trump is just “completely unconstrained by logic, rules, tradition, truth, law.”
“I’m confused,” he said, “whether the whole fact-free zone that he’s in is a strategic calculation or a kind of psychosis.” michael.finnegan  @latimes.com   Twitter:@finneganLAT


EVAN VUCCI Associated Press
MATT LAUER, facing Donald Trump, was criticized after this town hall for not challenging Trump’s repeated falsehood that he had opposed the invasion of Iraq.
Scope of Trump’s lies unmatched br br No mod... (show quote)

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Oct 5, 2016 02:38:05   #
badbob85037
 
bylm1 wrote:
This has to be one of the more stupid posts that I have encountered in a long time. Completely ridiculous.

You have to remember he's a welfare democrat. You should have realized that when he talked of free health care as any respectable American knows he is now paying twice as much for half the coverage.

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Oct 5, 2016 02:47:52   #
Progressive One
 
badbob85037 wrote:
You have to remember he's a welfare democrat. You should have realized that when he talked of free health care as any respectable American knows he is now paying twice as much for half the coverage.


always the poedunk yokels think everyone is as bad off as they are. Who carries your insurance? Obamacare didn't change a damn thing here....I pay for my healthcare but if people need it free, so be it.....i'm not taking a damn dime to my grave so there is no need to be a selfish sonfoabitch and think only of my damn self.....

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Oct 5, 2016 04:51:32   #
badbob85037
 
Did I say welfare democrat? What I meant to say was treasonous democrat. With WiniLeak releasing 1700 e-mail proving Hillary authorized the shipment of American-made arms to Qatar, a country beholden to the Muslim Brotherhood, and friendly to the Libyan rebels, in an effort to topple the Libyan/Gaddafi government, and then ship those arms to Syria in order to fund Al Qaeda and ISIS and topple Assad in Syria I have no doughty you will still vote for her.

Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/wikileaks-confirms-hillary-sold-weapons-isis-drops-another-bombshell-breaking-news/#ixzz4MCNehbvC

So you plan on dying with your over priced insurance. Do America a favor and do it before the election.

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Oct 5, 2016 13:04:20   #
Progressive One
 
badbob85037 wrote:
Did I say welfare democrat? What I meant to say was treasonous democrat. With WiniLeak releasing 1700 e-mail proving Hillary authorized the shipment of American-made arms to Qatar, a country beholden to the Muslim Brotherhood, and friendly to the Libyan rebels, in an effort to topple the Libyan/Gaddafi government, and then ship those arms to Syria in order to fund Al Qaeda and ISIS and topple Assad in Syria I have no doughty you will still vote for her.

Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/wikileaks-confirms-hillary-sold-weapons-isis-drops-another-bombshell-breaking-news/#ixzz4MCNehbvC

So you plan on dying with your over priced insurance. Do America a favor and do it before the election.
Did I say welfare democrat? What I meant to say wa... (show quote)


You are too full of hatred...re-evaluate your life and start to live it differently so you won't be so bitter.

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Oct 5, 2016 15:02:11   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Progressive One wrote:
You are too full of hatred...re-evaluate your life and start to live it differently so you won't be so bitter.


The Clinton Corpses
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Clinton Corpse Collection
This is just the short list, The long list will blow your socks and jocks off.

I've investigated a lot of crimes over the last 32 years, including murders. Any criminal investigator with the slightest bit of experience and training could easily see (and most have seen) the many flaws, holes and gaps in the so-called Vince Foster "murder" investigation by, of all the fede...ral law enforcement agencies, the Park Police. But, when one does a little more checking into the past of Bill and Hillary Clinton, they will find a long path of former friends, associates and business partners of the Clinton's who have died young and under mysterious circumstances. The following is a partial list of those whose blood cries out for justice.

Kevin Ives and Don Henry: Died August 1987. Reportedly, they had stumbled upon the Arkansas Mena Drug Operation (many stories and articles have been written about Clinton's affiliation with the Mena Mafia) It was first reported that these two young boys died as a result of falling asleep on a railroad track. It was later revealed that Ives had received a crushed skull prior to being placed on the tracks and Henry had been stabbed to death. The following 7 deaths were all of people who reportedly had knowledge and information concerning the mysterious, unsolved murders of Kevin Ives and Don Henry:
1.Keith Coney:died July 1988 from injuries sustained from a motorcycle accident. Some reports indicated that he was being chased by an unidentified vehicle.
2.Keith McKaskle: died Nov. 1988 from multiple stab wounds
3.Greg Collins: died Jan. 1989 from a gunshot wound to the head. No suspect was ever found.
4.Jeff Rhodes: died April 1989 from a gunshot wound to the head. His body was burned and thrown in a dumpster.....

•Suzanne Coleman: died when Clinton served as Arkansas Attorney General. She was alleged to have been "romantically" involved with Clinton. Although she died from a gunshot to the back of her head, the death was ruled a suicide! She was pregnant at the time of her death.
•Alan Sandorf:died 1991. Sandorf was an employee of NSA (National Security Agency). He was reportedly providing info. to Danny Casolaro, who was an independent reporter investigating the INSLAW case (INSLAW involved Justice Dept. theft, cover-ups, missing records, fraud and gov. corruption of all sorts) Sandorf's body was found in the back seat of a car at the Washington National Airport.
•Dennis Eisman: shot to death in 1991. Eisman was an attorney, who was also working on the INSLAW case.
•Danny Casolaro: found dead in a Virginia motel room in 1992. His arms had been slashed multiple times. Casolaro was an independent investigative reporter who had extensive files and information on the INSLAW case against the Justice Dept. and other "high ranking" government officials. Even though his body was found, his files and documentations were said to have never been located! ........
•Victor Raiser II: died in 1992 from an unexplained airplane crash.....
•Ian Spiro: died in 1992. His wife and 3 children were found murdered in their home. They had been shot to death (execution style) Several days later Spiro's body was found in the Borego Desert. His autopsy revealed the cause of death as cyanide poisoning. He held files and evidence to produce before a grand jury in the INSLAW proceedings......

•Jim Wilhite: died 1992 in a one person skiing accident......
•Paula Gober: died 1992 from an unwitnessed one car accident.....
•Paul Wilcher: died 1993 from an "undetermined cause". He was a Washington attorney, who was investigating gov. corruption in the Mena Arkansas drug running organization and the BATF assault in the Waco ordeal. He had turned in a lengthy affidavit to Janet Reno only 3 weeks prior to his mysterious death! His body was found in a Washington apartment. His reports and documents have never been released.
•Robert Williams, Todd McKeehan, Conway LeBleau and Steve Willis: all died in 1993 from identical gunshot wounds to their left temples. They were the only BATF agents killed in Waco, Texas during the Branch Davidian raid. They also just happen to have been Clinton bodyguards!........
•Scott Reynolds, William Barkley, Brian Hassley and Tim Sabel: all died in a "freak" helicopter crash in 1993, All 4 men had served as Clinton bodyguards.....
•Gary Rhodes, William Robertson, William Desberger and Robert Kelly: all died in another helicopter crash in 1993.....
•Vince Foster: died 1993 from a gunshot wound to the head. Long time "friend" of Hillary (Bill too) Clinton. He was the White House Deputy Counsel at the time of his murder....oh!. excuse me, suicide.
Why do so many people who know the Clinton's want to kill themselves? I may add another page later to explain my many reasons for believing Foster's death to have been a murder and a sloppy cover up attempt.
•Jon Parnell Walker: died 1993 from injuries received after "falling" from an apartment balcony at the top of the Lincoln Towers..... Walker was an investigator for the RTC (Resolution Trust Corporation) who was investigating the Whitewater affair and the Madison Guaranty Savings and Loan bankruptcy scandal. Walker was attempting to have the investigation moved from Arkansas to Washington at the time of his alleged slip off the top of the Lincoln Towers......
•Luther (Jerry) Parks: died from multiple gunshot wounds.... Jerry's 23 year old son, Gary Parks, stated to The "London Sunday Telegraph,"..."they had my father killed to save Bill Clinton's political career!" With 9 bullets having been removed from his body, the suicide theory has not yet been applied to this one!

•Stanley Heard and Steven Dickson: died 1993 in an unexplained airplane crash near the Dulles airport....
•Ed Willey: died from a gunshot wound in 1993. He was a Clinton fund raiser and the husband of Kathleen Willey,.....
•Gandy Baugh: died 1994. Of course, it was another suicide. Baugh was an attorney for Dan Lasater (Clinton's long time comrade from Arkansas, ....
•Herschell Friday: died in 1994. He was a member of Clinton's Presidential Finance Committee. The airplane he was flying in committed suicide by blowing itself up in mid flight!.......
•Bill Shelton: died 1994. He was an Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Furguson (we'll get to her momentarily). Shelton did a "trick suicide". He shot himself in the back of the head while visiting Kathy's grave!......
•Kathy Furguson: died 1994. You guessed it. Suicide, by a gunshot to the head. Kathy, a hospital worker was recently divorced from Danny Furguson, another Arkansas State Trooper. Danny was also Clinton's co-defendant in the "Paula Jones" sexual harassment lawsuit....
•Stanley Huggins: died 1994 after a "short illness". He had been a member of a large Memphis law firm and the head investigator probing into the suspicious loan and banking practices of the Madison Guaranty Savings and Loan.....
•Calvin Walraven: died 1994. He was a 24 yr. old,.....

•Dr. Ronald Rogers:died 1994 from yet another bizarre plane crash. He was on the way to do an interview with a reporter for the "London Sunday Telegraph" about some of the scandalous and secret dealings of Bill Clinton......
•Ron Brown: died 1996. Brown was the Secretary of Commerce and the former chairman of the Democratic National Committee. He died along with 39 others in a plane crash, on the way to Croatia. The plane crash was originally reported to have been caused by bad weather. After independent sources revealed that there was no bad weather, the reports cited pilot error and navigational equipment failure as the cause......
Brown was very close to being indicted over financial fraud schemes etc., and had publicly announced that he was willing to make a deal with the prosecution..... Many allegations have came out about Brown's missing, lost or stolen autopsy records containing x-rays that clearly showed a "bullet hole" in the back of Brown's head and bullet fragments inside his skull! If it's ever proven, I wonder if they'll also attribute that to pilot error?

•Barbara Wise:died 1996. Barbara was a 14 year employee with the Department of Commerce.....
•Charles Meissner: died 1996. He was the Assistant Secretary of Commerce for International Economic Policy. He placed Johnny Huang on a Commerce Dept. Contract that allowed Huang to maintain a security clearance. Soon thereafter, Meissner was killed in the same plane crash along with Ron Brown.
•Admiral Jerry Boorda: died 1996. Admiral Boorda was the Chief of Naval Operations. He supposedly went home for lunch one day and, rather than have his scheduled interview with the Newsweek Magazine that afternoon, he decided to shoot himself twice in the chest.....
•William Colby: died 1996. Former Director of Central Intelligence, William Colby was feared by many "insiders" because of the information Colby was allegedly writing about for his new book. He had already went public with information about illegal spying on American citizens and other CIA......
•Mary Mahoney: died 1997. Mary was a former intern working in the White House for Bill Clinton.......
•Ron Miller: died 1997. Ron Miller was the man who tape recorded Gene and Nora Lum and turned the tapes over to the congressional oversight investigators.....The medical examiner's office in Oklahoma refused to release blood test results. Many believe Miller's death was a result of Ricin poisoning.
•Sandy Hume: died 1998. Sandy had worked for Fox News for 3 weeks. he was the son of Brit Hume, journalist and Fox News reporter...... Apparent suicide was the only comment supposedly released about his tragic and untimely death.

Vince Foster and Ron Brown were big time cover ups.

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Oct 5, 2016 18:34:35   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
badbob85037 wrote:
You do know you are wasting your time with anyone who calls him self Progressive. Progressives are the biggest threat to the Constitution since the Civil War. Most of these Progressives mothers were WNBA Players. They weren't dropped on their heads when babies, they were slam dunked on their heads on a concrete half court. You know as well as I do these hillary supporters are a few suits short a full deck. I could write a list of her other crimes besides murder but what's the point. You already know whats up and dumb fuck is lucky to know what day it is. Do a web search on leaderless resistance and ignore the branch bait.
You do know you are wasting your time with anyone ... (show quote)


Once something is discovered or understood; it seldom is un-understood.
One at a time.

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Oct 6, 2016 06:00:53   #
badbob85037
 
Just what is to understand? You are a Progressive and being a Progressive you are a threat to the Constitution which also makes you a threat to me and my family,the enemy. You living here and being able to move freely makes you the worse kind of enemy. If you 'understood' your duties as a citizen written in the documents that founded this nation you would understand but you are to busy trying to destroy them to understand them.

When I see who you champion as the next leader of this nation it wouldn't matter if you were Thomas Jefferson you would still be a threat to freedom. You don't care to find out how evil this woman is. All you care about is the D after her name ignoring 40 years of her crimes and treason. That in it's self in pathetic.

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Oct 6, 2016 06:42:40   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
badbob85037 wrote:
Just what is to understand? You are a Progressive and being a Progressive you are a threat to the Constitution which also makes you a threat to me and my family,the enemy. You living here and being able to move freely makes you the worse kind of enemy. If you 'understood' your duties as a citizen written in the documents that founded this nation you would understand but you are to busy trying to destroy them to understand them.

When I see who you champion as the next leader of this nation it wouldn't matter if you were Thomas Jefferson you would still be a threat to freedom. You don't care to find out how evil this woman is. All you care about is the D after her name ignoring 40 years of her crimes and treason. That in it's self in pathetic.
Just what is to understand? You are a Progressive ... (show quote)


"Just what is to understand? You are a Progressive and being a Progressive you are a threat to the Constitution which also makes you a threat to me and my family,the enemy." - badbob85037

You just showed your ignorance, and lack or reading comprehension skill!!!
How does this make me a "progressive", badbob85037

"All you care about is the D after her name ignoring 40 years of her crimes and treason. That in it's self in pathetic." - badbob

You are sooooooooooooo ignorant of my political positions. Try reading them.

Party Politics: “The Fix” was in for a long time - The Stop Trump ploy for 2016. Notice it was the "Trump won't or can't win" this time. The same old manipulation of the voters.
So; can we put an end to the election set-ups?
The majority of Americans have been disgusted with our government “representatives” for a very long time, and what is happening in America. The frustration is spreading, and yet, will Americans fall for “The Fix” again?
It is obvious something has to change; but what? To solve any problem, “the root cause” must be discovered, understood, exposed, and eliminated. In the realm of politics; exposing “the root cause” of America’s decline on any significant scale, has been unattainable. Almost all major media is directed and controlled by “the root cause” which sets “The Fix”.
Decade after decade, and election after election; too many voters fall for “The Fix”. They either don’t vote out of disgust; or they vote for “the lesser of two evils” set up.. This duping, has gotten America where it is today, and on a continued spiral downward.
But this time the insider “Big Money “ lost control of the Republican nomination.
Too many pissed off people, tired of their BS/lies. America is finally catching on.
Give thought to “The Fix”. The Democratic Party promotes a variety of liberals/socialists, “progressives”.
(BTW; the DNC and their Super Delegates did not give Bernie a chance for the nomination)
The Republican Party promotes a variety of “Conservatives”; old line conservatives, and covert global socialists/NeoCONS/X-democrats. The Bushes are Internationalist New World Order examples. Not real Conservatives.
Under both parties, our Constitutional Republic (NOT DEMOCRACY), has been decimated. The Constitution and the principles that made our country the most prosperous, and the envy of the world, has been replaced with a semi-covert agenda for global socialism. Few Americans understand the purpose of the globalist agenda; but most politicians believe in it, or have sold out to it. That is why their oaths to uphold and defend the Constitution have been meaningless to most of them.
“The Root Cause” of our country’s decline; is the privately owned Federal Reserve System (banks), and their control of our money and economy. The perpetrators are the internationalist bankers, whose policy it is, to create a global socialist “New World Order”. With their vast wealth, media control (ownership), control of “public” education, and control of the party apparatus (RNC and DNC); they are able to ensure that both parties will nominate candidates that will carry out their agenda. With this control, the people fall for “The Fix”; out of disgust they either don’t vote, or they feel compelled to vote for “the lesser of two evils”, – elitist backed “A” or “B”. The voters are told, “no one else can win”, and “don’t Waste your vote” ; now the scam was to convince the voters “who is the most electable against Obama”. It has to be someone the Bankers know they can control, to ensure that their agenda is carried out. That agenda is a One World totalitarian socialist dictatorship, administered by their front men.
I will as concisely as possible back this statement up with their own writings, and try to stir the readers to give this letter thought and thus, renounce the NWO agenda.

Both parties executive cabinets (national security advisors) have been filled with members of “the Council on Foreign Relations” (CFR) and “the Trilateral Commission” (TC). John D. Rockefeller formed the (CFR) in early 1920’s, and David Rockefeller formed the TC in 1973. David Rockefeller’s chief foreign policy advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, put the organization together for his boss. Jimmy Carter was made a TC founding member. After Carter was elected president, he filled his cabinet with CFR/TC members, with Zbigniew Brzezinski as his chief foreign policy “advisor”.
Reagan’s cabinet began with fewer (CFR) members, but many non (CFR) members were drummed out of office. (with the help of the liberal MSM). When Reagan finished office, most were again CFR/TC members.
Bush senior is a Trilateralist and 9 of 11 of his national security council were (CFR) members. Bill Clinton is a CFR/TC member, and attended the Bilderberg meeting. P. Volker, A. Greenspan, H. Kissinger, Robert Strange McNamara are but a few of the high officials that belong to the CFR, TC, and the Bilderberg Group.
To show where these people and organizations are coming from I quote: TC report #23, 1982 – “… actions at the multinational level will be needed if the process of international relocation of industries is to be accelerated in an organized fashion …” (a policy to deindustrialize America) Now; please really reflect on what has happened under both parties CFR/TC administrations and Congresses.
Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in his book, “between two ages” p. 72 (1970) - “Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external active man over the inner passive man, and a victory of reason over belief.” This man, a Democrat and Henry Kissinger, a Republican; both employed by David Rockefeller, and both CFR/TC /Bilderberger members. Both are one world globalists (pro Marxist/Fascist, per their own writings).
Think about it! Can you see how “The Fix” is ensuring a one world dictatorship, to be ruled by these parasitic elitists?
(Zbigniew Brzezinski (ZB) ( http://www.wanttoknow.info/brzezinskigrandchessboard.shtml )
Trump is the first in decades that is not the Banker's pick "A" or "B".
Just follow the Big Money and their MSM talking heads to prove this.

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Oct 6, 2016 06:44:41   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
badbob85037 wrote:
You do know you are wasting your time with anyone who calls him self Progressive. Progressives are the biggest threat to the Constitution since the Civil War. Most of these Progressives mothers were WNBA Players. They weren't dropped on their heads when babies, they were slam dunked on their heads on a concrete half court. You know as well as I do these hillary supporters are a few suits short a full deck. I could write a list of her other crimes besides murder but what's the point. You already know whats up and dumb fuck is lucky to know what day it is. Do a web search on leaderless resistance and ignore the branch bait.
You do know you are wasting your time with anyone ... (show quote)


A refresher for badbob85037:

WHAT ARE MY CHOICES?

The folks speaking out against Trump are helping me make up my mind a little more every day!
Is he the Perfect Candidate whose thoughts mirrors mine on all fronts? NOPE
Does he say everything the way I wish he would say it? NOPE
Am I absolutely sure that his motives are absolutely Pure? NOPE
Can I point to any other Dem Politician that I like better? NOPE
Is there any of the other RINO Politicians I like better? NOPE
Am I going to sit home, refuse to Vote, and let Hillary win; because he is NOT Perfect? NOPE
Do I like what I have seen for the last 7-1/2 years with the Jerk that sleeps in my White House? NOPE
Do I like the "fundamental changes" that same Jerk has brought about in MY America ? NOPE

OK, your turn to decide what you are going to do in about 4 months!
Trump's presidential qualifications…
Obama is against Trump... Check
The Media are against Trump... Check
The establishment Democrats are against Trump... Check
The establishment Republicans are against Trump... Check
The Pope is against Trump... Check
The UN is against Trump... Check
The EU is against Trump... Check
China is against Trump... Check
Mexico is against Trump... Check
Soros is against Trump... Check
Black Lives Matter is against Trump... Check
Move On is against Trump... Check
Koch Brothers are against Trump... Check
Bushes are against Trump ... Check
Planned Parenthood is against Trump....Check
Hillary & Bernie are both against Trump ... Check
Illegal aliens are against Trump ... Check
Islam is against Trump ... Check
Kasich is against Trump ... Check
Hateful, racist, violent Liberals are against Trump.. Check
NOW THAT BEING SAID...
It seems to me, Trump MUST BE the Best Qualified Candidate we could ever have.
If you have so many political insiders and left wing NUT CASES--- all SCARED TO DEATH, that they all speak out against him at the same time!
Most of all, it will be the People's Choice...

PLUS

He's not a Lifetime Politician...Check
He's not a Lawyer.....Check
He's not doing it for the money...Check
He's a Natural Born American Citizen born in the USA from American parents. . .
Bonus points !
Whoopi says she will leave the country...
Rosie says she will leave the country...
Sharpton says he will leave the country...
Cher says she will leave the country...
Cyrus says she will leave the country...
The Constitution and the Bill of Rights will prevail....
Hillary will go to jail.....
The budget will be balanced in 8 years....
Americans will have first choice at jobs.....
You will not be able to marry your pet....
You will be able to keep your gun(s) if you qualify...
(Not a criminal or crazy, etc.)
Only living, registered U.S. citizens can vote....

MUST SHOW ID TO VOTE...
You can have and keep your own doctor.....
You can say whatever you want without being called a racist, Islamophobic, xenophobic, etc....
Voting in the BEAST will maintain America's downward spiral.

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