I'm a happy fence sitter
Aug 26, 2016 18:29:57 #
slatten49
Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
Morgan wrote:
Doing nothing is still an action, like sitting on the fence, I like your analogy here. Not voting still impacts the outcome, all I have to say for those people who don't vote, is that they than don't have the right to complain when all is said and done.
Perhaps I am wrong, but I suspect many are missing Lpnmajor's point. He is clearly saying the fence he is sitting on is the U.S. Constitution, and doesn't believe many Republicans or Democrats give much more than a vague adherence to it. Given the choices those parties offer in this election, he (and those of us like him) will likely vote for someone else as a matter of principle and love of country...and, to make a point of demanding better candidates in the next cycle. Hillary and The Donald are both loathsome choices.
Aug 26, 2016 18:32:11 #
lpnmajor wrote:
The fence is still where it's always been. The Pre... (show quote)
You usually make good sense to me major, but you've lost me a bit here, what does your butt planted firmly on the fence do? You're suggesting someone is trying to move the fence?
Aug 26, 2016 19:01:35 #
lpnmajor wrote:
Nope, totally wrong. Bystanders are on the sidelines, not in the middle. Don't you get it? The fence sitters are protecting the AMERICAN way of life, not the democrats way, republicans way, conservatives way or the liberals way.
Without us fence sitters - you wouldn't have any way of knowing WHAT side you were on - you'd only know you were "here".
You can't move the Constitution to where you'd like it to be - we fence sitters won't allow it.
Without us fence sitters - you wouldn't have any way of knowing WHAT side you were on - you'd only know you were "here".
You can't move the Constitution to where you'd like it to be - we fence sitters won't allow it.
Broad minded is just being to lazy to form an opinion Will Rogers. Straddling the fence means you have no passion and from your post,I would say you are more socialist than a constitutionalist. Say it isn't so.
Aug 26, 2016 19:34:07 #
While you are sitting on the fence; are you going to help build it,major?
Party politics: “The Fix” is in:
The majority of Americans are disgusted with our government “representatives”, and what is happening in America. The frustration is spreading, and yet, Americans are again falling for “The Fix”. It is obvious something has to change; but what? To solve any problem, “the root cause” must be discovered, understood, exposed, and eliminated. In the realm of politics; exposing “the root cause” of America’s decline on any significant scale, has been unattainable. Almost all major media is directed and controlled by “the root cause” which sets “The Fix”.
Decade after decade, and election after election; too many voters fall for “The Fix”. They either don’t vote out of disgust; or they vote for “the lesser of two evils”. This syndrome has put America where it is today, and evil continues to prosper. Give thought to “The Fix”. The Democratic Party promotes a variety of liberals/socialists, (“progressives”), and the Republican Party promotes a variety of “Conservatives” (old line conservatives, and covert global socialists/NeoCONS; Bush and his “New World Order” is one example). Under both parties, our Constitutional Republic (not democracy), has been decimated. The Constitution and the principles that made our country the most prosperous, and the envy of the world, has been replaced with a semi-covert agenda for global socialism. Few Americans understand the purpose of the globalist agenda; but most politicians believe in it, or have sold out to it. That is why their oaths to uphold and defend the Constitution have been meaningless to most of them.
“The Root Cause” of our country’s decline; is the privately owned Federal Reserve System (banks), and their control of our money and economy. The perpetrators are the internationalist bankers, whose policy it is, to create a global socialist “New World Order”. With their vast wealth, media control (ownership), control of (“public”) education, and control of the party apparatus; they are able to ensure that both parties will nominate candidates that will carry out their agenda. With this control, the people fall for “The Fix”; out of disgust they either don’t vote, or they feel compelled to vote for “the lesser of two evils”, – banker backed “A” or “B”. The voters are told, “no one else can win”, (“don’t Waste your vote); now the scam was to convince the voters “who is the most electable against Obama”. It had to be someone the Bankers knew they could control, to ensure that their agenda was carried out.). That agenda is a One World totalitarian socialist dictatorship, administered by their front men. I will as concisely as possible back this statement up with their own writings, and try to stir the readers to give this letter thought and thus, renounce the NWO agenda.
Both parties executive cabinets (national security advisors) are filled with members of “the Council on Foreign Relations” (CFR) and “the Trilateral Commission” (TC)). John D. Rockefeller formed the (CFR) in early 1920’s, and David Rockefeller formed the TC in 1973. David Rockefeller’s chief foreign policy advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, put the organization together for his boss. Jimmy Carter was made a TC founding member. After Carter was elected president, he filled his cabinet with CFR/TC members, with Zbigniew Brzezinski as his chief foreign policy “advisor”. Reagan’s cabinet began with fewer (CFR) members, but many non (CFR) members were drummed out of office. (with the help of the liberal MSM). When Reagan finished office, most were again CFR/TC members. Bush senior is a Trilateralist and 9 of 11 of his national security council are (CFR) members. Bill Clinton is a CFR/TC member, and attended the Bilderberg meeting last year. P. Volker, A. Greenspan, H. Kissinger, Robert Strange McNamara are but a few of the high officials that belong to the CFR, TC, and the Bilderberg Group.
To show where these people and organizations are coming from I quote: TC report #23, 1982 – “… actions at the multinational level will be needed if the process of international relocation of industries is to be accelerated in an organized fashion …” (a policy to deindustrialize America) Now; please really reflect on what has happened under both parties CFR/TC administrations and Congresses.
Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in his book, “between two ages” p. 72 (1970) - “Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external active man over the inner passive man, and a victory of reason over belief.” This man, a Democrat and Henry Kissinger, a Republican; both employed by David Rockefeller, and both CFR/TC /Bilderberger members. Both are one world globalists (pro Marxist/Fascist, per their own writings). Think about it! Can you see how “The Fix” is ensuring a one world dictatorship, to be ruled by these parasitic elitists?
(Zbigniew Brzezinski (ZB) ( http://www.wanttoknow.info/brzezinskigrandchessboard.shtml )
In “Foreign Affairs ”(a CFR publication), April 1974, Richard Gardener, Ambassador to Italy, writes “an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal attack.”
******* BELOW ARE A FEW QUOTED WARNINGS ON BANKING *******
“If Congress has the right to issue paper money, it was given to them to be used by themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.” - President Andrew Jackson (he revoked the U. S. Banking Charter in 1832. (A double misfire at point blank range of an attempted assassination saved his life.)
The Federal Reserve (privately owned banks) is one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen.” - Senator Louis T. McFadden, 1934 (chairman of the U. S. Banking and Currency Commission for over 10 years) (probably assassinated; there were several attempts on his life before his suspicious death )
“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a moneyed aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs.” - President Thomas Jefferson
“All the perplexities, confusion, and distress in America arise, not from defects in the Constitution or confederation, not from a lack of honor or virtue, so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation.” - President John Adams
This ignorance still exists by design. (A magnificent cover up, (made possible by both political parties, the LSM, and “public education”). Nothing has changed except the sophistication and advancement of their one world agenda; made possible with the increased corruption, ignorance, and/or cowardice of our “leaders” (politicians). The internationalist bankers and their comrades, promote and fund any government that does their bidding; be it “democracy”, socialistic, communistic, dictatorship, or monarchy. For example: Bush senior, just pushed for, and Congress passed extension of “most favored nation status” to Communist China.
The above forms of government promote the separation of a worker from his earnings through taxation and/or extortion. The constitution would not have allowed this, but it has been covertly circumvented. Understand that the banker’s (and politician’s) trusts and foundations are exempt from the income and inheritance taxes that they impose on American citizens. Also remember that the abolition of private property, a heavy progressive income tax, and abolition of inheritance, are the first three planks of the Communist Manifesto.
There is not enough space to cover the Bankster’s (and politician’s) political subterfuge with the interconnections of the Bilderberg Group, CFR, TC, CIA, IRS , and tax exempt foundations. Nor their use of their world government apparatus; United Nations, International Monetary Fund, World Bank, NAFTA, WTO, GATA and etc. All used to establish and fund their NEW WORLD ORDER.
(In the past six years, the taxpayers were held liable for TRILLIONS of “dollars” of the international banker’s bad debts. European banks were bailed out via IMF US funding. The exact numbers , and too exactly who, is hidden from Congress. Another reason the Fed must be audited and fired)
Party politics: “The Fix” is in:
The majority of Americans are disgusted with our government “representatives”, and what is happening in America. The frustration is spreading, and yet, Americans are again falling for “The Fix”. It is obvious something has to change; but what? To solve any problem, “the root cause” must be discovered, understood, exposed, and eliminated. In the realm of politics; exposing “the root cause” of America’s decline on any significant scale, has been unattainable. Almost all major media is directed and controlled by “the root cause” which sets “The Fix”.
Decade after decade, and election after election; too many voters fall for “The Fix”. They either don’t vote out of disgust; or they vote for “the lesser of two evils”. This syndrome has put America where it is today, and evil continues to prosper. Give thought to “The Fix”. The Democratic Party promotes a variety of liberals/socialists, (“progressives”), and the Republican Party promotes a variety of “Conservatives” (old line conservatives, and covert global socialists/NeoCONS; Bush and his “New World Order” is one example). Under both parties, our Constitutional Republic (not democracy), has been decimated. The Constitution and the principles that made our country the most prosperous, and the envy of the world, has been replaced with a semi-covert agenda for global socialism. Few Americans understand the purpose of the globalist agenda; but most politicians believe in it, or have sold out to it. That is why their oaths to uphold and defend the Constitution have been meaningless to most of them.
“The Root Cause” of our country’s decline; is the privately owned Federal Reserve System (banks), and their control of our money and economy. The perpetrators are the internationalist bankers, whose policy it is, to create a global socialist “New World Order”. With their vast wealth, media control (ownership), control of (“public”) education, and control of the party apparatus; they are able to ensure that both parties will nominate candidates that will carry out their agenda. With this control, the people fall for “The Fix”; out of disgust they either don’t vote, or they feel compelled to vote for “the lesser of two evils”, – banker backed “A” or “B”. The voters are told, “no one else can win”, (“don’t Waste your vote); now the scam was to convince the voters “who is the most electable against Obama”. It had to be someone the Bankers knew they could control, to ensure that their agenda was carried out.). That agenda is a One World totalitarian socialist dictatorship, administered by their front men. I will as concisely as possible back this statement up with their own writings, and try to stir the readers to give this letter thought and thus, renounce the NWO agenda.
Both parties executive cabinets (national security advisors) are filled with members of “the Council on Foreign Relations” (CFR) and “the Trilateral Commission” (TC)). John D. Rockefeller formed the (CFR) in early 1920’s, and David Rockefeller formed the TC in 1973. David Rockefeller’s chief foreign policy advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, put the organization together for his boss. Jimmy Carter was made a TC founding member. After Carter was elected president, he filled his cabinet with CFR/TC members, with Zbigniew Brzezinski as his chief foreign policy “advisor”. Reagan’s cabinet began with fewer (CFR) members, but many non (CFR) members were drummed out of office. (with the help of the liberal MSM). When Reagan finished office, most were again CFR/TC members. Bush senior is a Trilateralist and 9 of 11 of his national security council are (CFR) members. Bill Clinton is a CFR/TC member, and attended the Bilderberg meeting last year. P. Volker, A. Greenspan, H. Kissinger, Robert Strange McNamara are but a few of the high officials that belong to the CFR, TC, and the Bilderberg Group.
To show where these people and organizations are coming from I quote: TC report #23, 1982 – “… actions at the multinational level will be needed if the process of international relocation of industries is to be accelerated in an organized fashion …” (a policy to deindustrialize America) Now; please really reflect on what has happened under both parties CFR/TC administrations and Congresses.
Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in his book, “between two ages” p. 72 (1970) - “Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external active man over the inner passive man, and a victory of reason over belief.” This man, a Democrat and Henry Kissinger, a Republican; both employed by David Rockefeller, and both CFR/TC /Bilderberger members. Both are one world globalists (pro Marxist/Fascist, per their own writings). Think about it! Can you see how “The Fix” is ensuring a one world dictatorship, to be ruled by these parasitic elitists?
(Zbigniew Brzezinski (ZB) ( http://www.wanttoknow.info/brzezinskigrandchessboard.shtml )
In “Foreign Affairs ”(a CFR publication), April 1974, Richard Gardener, Ambassador to Italy, writes “an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal attack.”
******* BELOW ARE A FEW QUOTED WARNINGS ON BANKING *******
“If Congress has the right to issue paper money, it was given to them to be used by themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.” - President Andrew Jackson (he revoked the U. S. Banking Charter in 1832. (A double misfire at point blank range of an attempted assassination saved his life.)
The Federal Reserve (privately owned banks) is one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen.” - Senator Louis T. McFadden, 1934 (chairman of the U. S. Banking and Currency Commission for over 10 years) (probably assassinated; there were several attempts on his life before his suspicious death )
“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a moneyed aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs.” - President Thomas Jefferson
“All the perplexities, confusion, and distress in America arise, not from defects in the Constitution or confederation, not from a lack of honor or virtue, so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation.” - President John Adams
This ignorance still exists by design. (A magnificent cover up, (made possible by both political parties, the LSM, and “public education”). Nothing has changed except the sophistication and advancement of their one world agenda; made possible with the increased corruption, ignorance, and/or cowardice of our “leaders” (politicians). The internationalist bankers and their comrades, promote and fund any government that does their bidding; be it “democracy”, socialistic, communistic, dictatorship, or monarchy. For example: Bush senior, just pushed for, and Congress passed extension of “most favored nation status” to Communist China.
The above forms of government promote the separation of a worker from his earnings through taxation and/or extortion. The constitution would not have allowed this, but it has been covertly circumvented. Understand that the banker’s (and politician’s) trusts and foundations are exempt from the income and inheritance taxes that they impose on American citizens. Also remember that the abolition of private property, a heavy progressive income tax, and abolition of inheritance, are the first three planks of the Communist Manifesto.
There is not enough space to cover the Bankster’s (and politician’s) political subterfuge with the interconnections of the Bilderberg Group, CFR, TC, CIA, IRS , and tax exempt foundations. Nor their use of their world government apparatus; United Nations, International Monetary Fund, World Bank, NAFTA, WTO, GATA and etc. All used to establish and fund their NEW WORLD ORDER.
(In the past six years, the taxpayers were held liable for TRILLIONS of “dollars” of the international banker’s bad debts. European banks were bailed out via IMF US funding. The exact numbers , and too exactly who, is hidden from Congress. Another reason the Fed must be audited and fired)
lpnmajor wrote:
I've been accused of being a fence sitter, never c... (show quote)
Aug 26, 2016 19:41:14 #
lpnmajor wrote:
The fence is still where it's always been. The Pre... (show quote)
If it has not moved then explain abortion on demand,the government forcing you to buy health insurance,seperation of religion and state and the federal government violating state rights. Where in the constitution are you allowed to sue someone exercising there religious rights? How about the over reaching executive orders? Maybe you should climb off that fence and go read the constitution. How far are you willing to go to protect it or are you just going place your behind on a fence and say I have done my part.
Aug 26, 2016 19:51:41 #
Yep,kenjay. The 3 monkey ploy gets America where it is.
kenjay wrote:
If it has not moved then explain abortion on deman... (show quote)
Aug 26, 2016 20:02:42 #
slatten49 wrote:
Perhaps I am wrong, but I suspect many are missing... (show quote)
Slatten the others don't have a snowballs chance in hades. The Green Party is not about the constitution but rather social and environmental justice. I do how ever respect and admire your decision to take a stand. Good health and wishes to you and your bride.
Aug 26, 2016 20:28:33 #
lpnmajor
Loc: Arkansas
slatten49 wrote:
Perhaps I am wrong, but I suspect many are missing... (show quote)
You are indeed correct.
Aug 26, 2016 20:29:25 #
padremike
Loc: Phenix City, Al
lpnmajor wrote:
The fence is still where it's always been. The Pre... (show quote)
I'm sorry and I don't intend to be offensive, but what is simple is your thinking. It's Pollyannish. If the law says the speed limit is 50 MPH and no-one enforces it or acknowledges it and everyone speeds then the printed law means absolutely nothing. If illegal immigration is allowed and sanctuary cities established by the illegal sole authority of Obama not enforcing our laws, if the sale of marijuana, a federal offense, is sanctioned because Obama will not allow the prosecution then the constitution is worthless. And these are only a couple of many offenses by Obama in defiance of the constitution.
Aug 26, 2016 20:35:46 #
slatten49
Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
kenjay wrote:
Slatten the others don't have a snowballs chance in hades. The Green Party is not about the constitution but rather social and environmental justice. I do how ever respect and admire your decision to take a stand. Good health and wishes to you and your bride.
Thank you, Kenjay, with regards to my wife & myself.
I would not feel satisfied in voting for either Gary Johnson or Jill Stein. My vote will be a write-in as a protest to the provided choices. I feel both satisfaction and justification in voting my conscience.
Aug 26, 2016 20:40:20 #
lpnmajor
Loc: Arkansas
Morgan wrote:
You usually make good sense to me major, but you've lost me a bit here, what does your butt planted firmly on the fence do? You're suggesting someone is trying to move the fence?
Yep. Both sides claim to be following the Constitution, yet are miles apart, so - how is that possible? The "victorious" side must move the Constitution over to their side of the fence, thus moving the fence itself - and convince you that's where the fence has been all along. We fence sitters are there to see that this does not happen. The more butts sit on the fence, the harder it will be for one side or the other to move it from the middle, where it was built in the beginning.
The founders put that fence there for a reason and no amount of partisan or ideological re-reasoning can change the fundamental essence of the Constitution. We fence sitters are here to ensure that the Constitution cannot be turned into someone else's partisan or ideological manifesto, we are protecting what is America - from other Americans that think they have a better idea than the founders. When the lunacy has run it's course, Americans will find the fence safely anchored where it has always been - right smack in the middle, with my and my compatriots butts still holding it down.
Neither conservatives, nor liberals, nor democrats, nor republicans, nor any other special interest group, will be allowed to move the fence from where the founders put it. They'd have to move me too - and that will prove impossible.
Aug 26, 2016 20:48:07 #
lpnmajor
Loc: Arkansas
padremike wrote:
I'm sorry and I don't intend to be offensive, but ... (show quote)
Then - what are you doing about it? Complaining? That'll help I'm sure. Are you actively seeking candidates in your district who are non partisan, or are you comfortable with the same, lame, corrupt, people democrats and republicans always pick for you?
I suggest you try getting up here on the fence with me, where you are above the fray and can see what's really going on. After having a non ass smoke ( you know, the smoke that gets blown up our asses ) look around and you still feel that I'm simple minded, so be it - but until you DO get your head out of the ass smoke, you don't know what you're talking about - you're just repeating someone else's BS.
Aug 26, 2016 20:55:14 #
slatten49 wrote:
Thank you, Kenjay, with regards to my wife & I.
I would not feel satisfied in voting for either Gary Johnson or Jill Stein. My vote will be a write-in as a protest to the provided choices. I feel both satisfaction and justification in voting my conscience.
I would not feel satisfied in voting for either Gary Johnson or Jill Stein. My vote will be a write-in as a protest to the provided choices. I feel both satisfaction and justification in voting my conscience.
As you should Slatten and you rock.
Aug 26, 2016 21:28:54 #
lpnmajor wrote:
The fence is still where it's always been. The Pre... (show quote)
You make the case that Republicans are as bad as Democrats in abusing the Constitution. I reject that. Republicans are guilty of defending the US Constitution very weakly, but to say that they can compare with Obama in his utter contempt for the Document is fantasy.
Aug 26, 2016 21:58:15 #
padremike
Loc: Phenix City, Al
lpnmajor wrote:
Then - what are you doing about it? Complaining? T... (show quote)
Why would anyone seek a candidate who is nonpartisan? I suppose if an individual has no soul, and no morals, no values, no patriotism, no passion and is content to sit on the fence pick his nose, pass gas and make obscene gestures at the rest of us, he can feel superior doing nothing but riding the middle of the fence. Sitting on the fence says you do not have to be definitive and take a position on that which is right and that which is wrong. You sit there content and fight for nothing believing that somehow the Constitution is some magical totem that does not need to be fought for and defended and periodically refreshed with the blood of patriots.
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.