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Sep 12, 2016 15:22:09   #
payne1000
 
Louie27 wrote:
One person saying it was an explosion does not make it so. Has the person been around explosions before? I believe not. Just his observation of the tower collapse. He did not say multiple explosions. There was only continuous noise with the collapse of the tower that I heard on that video.


Of course there was continuous noise of explosions because multiple explosions
were sequenced to travel down the tower structures at 2/3rds free fall speed.
If you need more than one person reporting the explosions, here are many eye-witnesses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UKfzGt6Fxk

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Sep 12, 2016 16:03:29   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
Throwing out your usual rant of convoluted gobbledygook to avoid answering the question again?
As I said, you refuse to explain how WTC7 can collapse at free fall speed from "normal office fires" which don't get hot enough to even weaken fire-proofed steel.
I went to Garcia's link and got a message that the page doesn't exist.
So maybe Garcia wasn't able to explain it either because if he did he'd have to admit that explosives were used.




My thoughts are if your not capable of accessing the information what's the chance you will comprehend it if you bother to read it in the first place... you seem to like youtube videos to get you through the night... youtube... the troofers rebuttal to peer reviewed cutting edge academia... can you post up some youtube with some more synthesized Mr. magoo narration, that always helps In your rebuttals... more humor

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Sep 12, 2016 16:18:54   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
My thoughts are if your not capable of accessing the information what's the chance you will comprehend it if you bother to read it in the first place... you seem to like youtube videos to get you through the night... youtube... the troofers rebuttal to peer reviewed cutting edge academia... can you post up some youtube with some more synthesized Mr. magoo narration, that always helps In your rebuttals... more humor


By continuing to be evasive of the question asked, you're admitting you can't comprehend or explain how WTC7 could fall at free fall speed from "normal office fires" which don't get hot enough to even weaken fire-proofed steel.
Let me give you a clue: explosives and enough thermite to cause molten metal to pool in the debris for days.

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Sep 12, 2016 16:43:06   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
By continuing to be evasive of the question asked, you're admitting you can't comprehend or explain how WTC7 could fall at free fall speed from "normal office fires" which don't get hot enough to even weaken fire-proofed steel.
Let me give you a clue: explosives and enough thermite to cause molten metal to pool in the debris for days.




Come now... your answer was clear in the first link on heat by Garcia .. here is the other that you can't find... http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/11/28/dark-fire/ ... an in depth account from one of the best people on heat that's easy to read... you have nothing to lose and much to gain from reading non Magoo material.... you can refute each point you feel invalid one at a time...

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Sep 12, 2016 16:58:26   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
Of course there was continuous noise of explosions because multiple explosions
were sequenced to travel down the tower structures at 2/3rds free fall speed.
If you need more than one person reporting the explosions, here are many eye-witnesses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UKfzGt6Fxk




Ok... let's think about what you just wrote... who knew in advance the tower would fall @ 2/3 free fall speed & how would they figure that out to begin with... To time this event that accurately is impossible not having any previous data on the WTC design and performance plus who knew exactly where the planes would impact the structures... No one could have planed & timed the 911 event... they would be shooting in the dark... now exactly what does a 110 story tube in tube skyscraper sound like collapsing... a freight train is a good guess ... go listen to your sound video again before the perps remove it

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Sep 12, 2016 18:06:16   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
Come now... your answer was clear in the first link on heat by Garcia .. here is the other that you can't find... http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/11/28/dark-fire/ ... an in depth account from one of the best people on heat that's easy to read... you have nothing to lose and much to gain from reading non Magoo material.... you can refute each point you feel invalid one at a time...


Once again there is so much bullshit in Garcia's WTC7 cover-up attempt that it would take too many days to cover all of it.
His lies can be proven wrong by simple common sense.
Do you have any idea how much planning and knowledge go into making a steel framed skyscraper collapse straight down into its own footprint at free fall speed?
This type of collapse doesn't happen by accident.
Every support column has to be cut at the same time for that to happen.
The support columns have to be cut at intervals throughout the height of the building--all at the same time-- to eliminate the top section from staying together
and falling over.
Garcia's random fires and random damage from the fall of WTC1 could not possibly accomplish this precise timing.
If random fires and random damage could cause WTC7 to fall, it would have fallen asymmetrically and at different intervals--not all at once at free fall speed just like a classic controlled demolition.

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WTC7 rubble pile. Was the new thermite developed by the company Garcia works for used to destroy WTC7?
WTC7 rubble pile. Was the new thermite developed b...

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Sep 12, 2016 18:15:52   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
Ok... let's think about what you just wrote... who knew in advance the tower would fall @ 2/3 free fall speed & how would they figure that out to begin with... To time this event that accurately is impossible not having any previous data on the WTC design and performance plus who knew exactly where the planes would impact the structures... No one could have planed & timed the 911 event... they would be shooting in the dark... now exactly what does a 110 story tube in tube skyscraper sound like collapsing... a freight train is a good guess ... go listen to your sound video again before the perps remove it
Ok... let's think about what you just wrote... who... (show quote)


2/3rds free fall speed is the average speed of the collapses of WTC1 and WTC2.
The perps knew exactly where the airliners would strike the towers because the planes were remote controlled.
Drone technology has become very accurate. Highly skilled pilots sitting at computer consoles flew those planes into the towers.
Today's computer technology would allow very accurate timing of the explosives which were sequenced to travel down the towers at high speed.
The explosions are clearly visible in most of the videos.
When your argument is based on the sound of the explosions, you have no argument at all.

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Sep 12, 2016 18:48:01   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
2/3rds free fall speed is the average speed of the collapses of WTC1 and WTC2.
The perps knew exactly where the airliners would strike the towers because the planes were remote controlled.
Drone technology has become very accurate. Highly skilled pilots sitting at computer consoles flew those planes into the towers.
Today's computer technology would allow very accurate timing of the explosives which were sequenced to travel down the towers at high speed.
The explosions are clearly visible in most of the videos.
When your argument is based on the sound of the explosions, you have no argument at all.
2/3rds free fall speed is the i average /i speed... (show quote)


Yes I forgot the remote controlled plane conspiracy... what form of science did they use to figure the explosive timing in sync with the collapse speed?... or how did they predetermine the collapse speed to begin with?... you do realize that last week you stated the plane fired a missile just before impact because Aluminum cant cut through steel... you stated the plane would just bounce off like a Road Runner cartoon... what level of Magoo are going to argue now... thermite with no visible light, massive explosions without sound and blast waves, Jews with wrench's dissembling the tower bolts, remote controlled jet planes with missiles... is there not a point in time where this simple conclusion makes the best sense...

Occam's Razor
Occam's Razor...

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Sep 12, 2016 20:44:34   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
Yes I forgot the remote controlled plane conspiracy... what form of science did they use to figure the explosive timing in sync with the collapse speed?... or how did they predetermine the collapse speed to begin with?... you do realize that last week you stated the plane fired a missile just before impact because Aluminum cant cut through steel... you stated the plane would just bounce off like a Road Runner cartoon... what level of Magoo are going to argue now... thermite with no visible light, massive explosions without sound and blast waves, Jews with wrench's dissembling the tower bolts, remote controlled jet planes with missiles... is there not a point in time where this simple conclusion makes the best sense...
Yes I forgot the remote controlled plane conspirac... (show quote)


Why don't you read the mountain of bullshit you posted from Manuel Garcia, Jr. about why the 3 towers fell.
He totally blows your simple solution Occam's Razor claim.
Occam's Razor would support the conclusion that if it looks like a controlled demolition, sounds like a controlled demolition and falls at the speed of a controlled demolition, then it most certainly is a controlled demolition.

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Sep 12, 2016 21:58:24   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
Why don't you read the mountain of bullshit you posted from Manuel Garcia, Jr. about why the 3 towers fell.
He totally blows your simple solution Occam's Razor claim.
Occam's Razor would support the conclusion that if it looks like a controlled demolition, sounds like a controlled demolition and falls at the speed of a controlled demolition, then it most certainly is a controlled demolition.



In controlled demolition the building is structurally weakened to the point of collapse... the explosives just cut the weight loose for the Kinetic energy to destroy the building... What you propose for 911 is not even close... thermite and massive amounts of high explosives literally blowing the entire structure to dust ... total bullshit... no one could pull off what you troofers describe happened on 911 & hide it for 30 seconds from anyone... especially those with 4.6 Billion very good reasons ... you see events in your head that never happened in reality... how about you get real for a change and figure out how much explosive would be necessary to blow the living shit out of 2 1400ft towers in the manor you describe without finding a trace of evidence of explosives ...15 years without one arrest anywhere... no one talked out of the 1000's of perps... you offer nothing more than repetitive bullshit...If it was a false flag event they would have dropped the towers on impact... not randomly with the world watching .. there is no logic in your argument

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Sep 13, 2016 08:35:58   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
In controlled demolition the building is structurally weakened to the point of collapse... the explosives just cut the weight loose for the Kinetic energy to destroy the building... What you propose for 911 is not even close... thermite and massive amounts of high explosives literally blowing the entire structure to dust ... total bullshit... no one could pull off what you troofers describe happened on 911 & hide it for 30 seconds from anyone... especially those with 4.6 Billion very good reasons ... you see events in your head that never happened in reality... how about you get real for a change and figure out how much explosive would be necessary to blow the living shit out of 2 1400ft towers in the manor you describe without finding a trace of evidence of explosives ...15 years without one arrest anywhere... no one talked out of the 1000's of perps... you offer nothing more than repetitive bullshit...If it was a false flag event they would have dropped the towers on impact... not randomly with the world watching .. there is no logic in your argument
In controlled demolition the building is structura... (show quote)


"thermite and massive amounts of high explosives literally blowing the entire structure to dust"
Exactly! That's what all the photos and videos show.
I choose to believe my eyes over a chronic liar who chooses to remain anonymous.



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