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It is time to put away any thought that we really have a 2 Party system.
Jul 27, 2016 11:54:46   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
It is the party system that gives Us our choices to vote for.

I say that it is time to drop any mention of Party affiliation on a Public Ballot that is voted on in a Public supported building.

With the choices we have in the coming election perhaps only 1/3 of the voters will see the votes really reflect their choice.

If there is any further erosion with in the system of electing our leaders we will have truly seem the end of the Democratic System we like to say we have.

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Jul 27, 2016 12:20:05   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
It is the party system that gives Us our choices to vote for.

I say that it is time to drop any mention of Party affiliation on a Public Ballot that is voted on in a Public supported building.

With the choices we have in the coming election perhaps only 1/3 of the voters will see the votes really reflect their choice.

If there is any further erosion with in the system of electing our leaders we will have truly seem the end of the Democratic System we like to say we have.


Be your own president.

Then take from this world the things you need.

Take what you want, do what you want.

It can be done within the written law.

But be prepared to be held accountable for your actions.

You don't need a president if you conduct yourself like a president.

Obammy gave you eight years of fumbling the ball.

The Clinton Pig will hand the ball over to the enemy.

I suggest that no matter who wins the whitehouse, the future of America is war.

You best get prepared for it.........Sir.

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Jul 27, 2016 17:05:03   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
It is the party system that gives Us our choices to vote for.

I say that it is time to drop any mention of Party affiliation on a Public Ballot that is voted on in a Public supported building.

With the choices we have in the coming election perhaps only 1/3 of the voters will see the votes really reflect their choice.

If there is any further erosion with in the system of electing our leaders we will have truly seem the end of the Democratic System we like to say we have.


There was no concept of a "two party system" of governance prior to 1864. People would have laughed themselves silly had you suggested such a thing. In 1864, the new Republican party and the older Democratic party had a secret meeting and decided then and there, that we would BECOME a two party Government - by working together to shut out all other party's. For over 100 years, they have worked tirelessly to that end - and succeeded.

Teddy Roosevelt became so disgusted with the GOP ( how it got that name, being younger..... ), that he left and formed the Progressive party, which has since been absorbed by the Democratic party, just as the Republican party is trying to engulf the Libertarian party. You know, if you can't beat them, or make them go away, make then join YOU.

By denying funding, TV and radio airtime and any other attention, the two party's have gradually brain washed Americans into believing that we are a legitimate two party system. Part of that strategy, was promulgating the myth that any vote other than a vote for a dem or repub is a wasted vote. A myth that is patently false. The reality is, the Constitution does not support a partisan style of Government at all, but then, neither does it specifically forbid it. The Constitution DOES, however, specify where all political power derives from - and that is the people, ONLY the people and ALL of the people. That does not mean all of the democrats, if they happen to be in power, it means ALL of the people - and that is precisely where the "two party system" becomes unconstitutional, as it does not even pretend to represent all of the people, much less attempt to.

The unaffiliated or "Independent" Americans, out number the republicans and democrats combined, meaning that the majority of Americans are being taxed without representation. I seem to remember a revolution begun over that same travesty.

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Jul 28, 2016 13:08:55   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
lpnmajor wrote:
There was no concept of a "two party system" of governance prior to 1864. People would have laughed themselves silly had you suggested such a thing. In 1864, the new Republican party and the older Democratic party had a secret meeting and decided then and there, that we would BECOME a two party Government - by working together to shut out all other party's. For over 100 years, they have worked tirelessly to that end - and succeeded.

Teddy Roosevelt became so disgusted with the GOP ( how it got that name, being younger..... ), that he left and formed the Progressive party, which has since been absorbed by the Democratic party, just as the Republican party is trying to engulf the Libertarian party. You know, if you can't beat them, or make them go away, make then join YOU.

By denying funding, TV and radio airtime and any other attention, the two party's have gradually brain washed Americans into believing that we are a legitimate two party system. Part of that strategy, was promulgating the myth that any vote other than a vote for a dem or repub is a wasted vote. A myth that is patently false. The reality is, the Constitution does not support a partisan style of Government at all, but then, neither does it specifically forbid it. The Constitution DOES, however, specify where all political power derives from - and that is the people, ONLY the people and ALL of the people. That does not mean all of the democrats, if they happen to be in power, it means ALL of the people - and that is precisely where the "two party system" becomes unconstitutional, as it does not even pretend to represent all of the people, much less attempt to.

The unaffiliated or "Independent" Americans, out number the republicans and democrats combined, meaning that the majority of Americans are being taxed without representation. I seem to remember a revolution begun over that same travesty.
There was no concept of a "two party system&q... (show quote)


I am not looking to undermine or overthrow the system. It only needs some serious tweaking.

Like taxing all income the same.
Like doing away with the Committee System in Congress. Put any thing you wish to see enacted into a computer (A closed system) & other members can put their views in. Or vote on the issue as presented. One important thing is the issue is to be acted on with out other issues add to it. No more Pork.

Only the Congress Person Or Senator may have access to the system. Some one can type up the issue & it can be added to the computer only by the Member of Congress..
A secure way to release information to the public seems like a good idea. (Beware the connection.)

It should be made clear that there is no use of inside information for Personal enrichment.
A close look at personal Wealth of members needs to be maintained for conflict of interest.

Legislation for personal cases should not be done.

A list of personal contacts with some that should be reported.

A Public & media support of a system of letting people express their views on Pubic issues. Allowing Public Buildings to be used with reasonable costs to promote Town Hall type meetings

A leaving off on Election Ballot's of any party connections.

The thing is we all need to have a better outlook & input with what is going on in the world around Us
I will not be a over night thing to clean up. We need to do more to over come our lack of paying attention in the past.

Being on a site like this is a good start. A place to get our feet wet so to speak & see if we really have something that needs saying.

I am not looking for a wholesale taking to heart what I have to say, but hope some how to impart a bit of some thing that makes a bit of sense to another.

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Jul 28, 2016 18:14:20   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
lpnmajor wrote:
There was no concept of a "two party system" of governance prior to 1864. People would have laughed themselves silly had you suggested such a thing. In 1864, the new Republican party and the older Democratic party had a secret meeting and decided then and there, that we would BECOME a two party Government - by working together to shut out all other party's. For over 100 years, they have worked tirelessly to that end - and succeeded.

Teddy Roosevelt became so disgusted with the GOP ( how it got that name, being younger..... ), that he left and formed the Progressive party, which has since been absorbed by the Democratic party, just as the Republican party is trying to engulf the Libertarian party. You know, if you can't beat them, or make them go away, make then join YOU.

By denying funding, TV and radio airtime and any other attention, the two party's have gradually brain washed Americans into believing that we are a legitimate two party system. Part of that strategy, was promulgating the myth that any vote other than a vote for a dem or repub is a wasted vote. A myth that is patently false. The reality is, the Constitution does not support a partisan style of Government at all, but then, neither does it specifically forbid it. The Constitution DOES, however, specify where all political power derives from - and that is the people, ONLY the people and ALL of the people. That does not mean all of the democrats, if they happen to be in power, it means ALL of the people - and that is precisely where the "two party system" becomes unconstitutional, as it does not even pretend to represent all of the people, much less attempt to.

The unaffiliated or "Independent" Americans, out number the republicans and democrats combined, meaning that the majority of Americans are being taxed without representation. I seem to remember a revolution begun over that same travesty.
There was no concept of a "two party system&q... (show quote)


IPNM, you forget that ALL the nations that are REPUBLICS have had two-party politics as the means of WORKABLE CHOICES in government practices. If we had a parliamentary system, it would be workable to have multiple parties focused on specific issues and for coalitions after elections. As Churchill stated, our Western Civilization-originated form of governments has many drawbacks but is the only form of democratic government workable in the long run. Trump does not fit into Churchill's pattern any more than Sander's "revolution" ideas. Hillary Clinton and the Democrats are "progressive" but ironically is the conservatives in this strange election cycle. Actually the Democrats have become today's Federalist, Whig, and Lincoln's Republican party--and the Republicans have become the Jeffersonian more limited government party...in fact, presently the Tea Party faction like the more extreme and "populist" Jacksonians! The reversal of party roles occurred during the Great Depression crisis but did not become defined and recognizable to me until Reagan's 2nd term.

I voted 3 times for Nixon (and would again in retrospect--pragmatically he was the only politician with the credibility to make the "deal" with China that split China from Russia's international communist movement and in doing so ensured the fading and end of international communism). I didn't vote for Goldwater but otherwise voted straight GOP until the 2nd term of Reagan, when I realized the reversal of party roles was definite. I consider myself a true conservative--a Federalist, Whig, Lincoln Republican, & thus Democrat. Nevertheless, I have regarded the GOP presidents elected since with respect and general support.I have remained opposed to extremisms of left and right (although in junior high & high school in Knoxville, TN I was rabidly anti-Truman and rabidly McCarthyite...also as native Michigan yankee was outspoken for school integration & civil rights--acceptable in East Tennessee, which stood with the Union like west Virginia during the Civil War & has remained Republican ever since--Knoxville area Congressional district is only one in nation that has elected a GOP Rep to Congress every election since 1860!). If Sanders had kidnapped the Dem nomination (like Trump did the GOP nomination), I would have voted for the GOP nominee...reluctantly for Cruz...and definitely not for Trump, whom I regard as outside the political spectrum in any Republic.

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