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Jul 9, 2016 09:24:01   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
07/08/2016 Why Dallas Happened

Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/07/08/why-dallas-happened-paul-craig-roberts/

Is the Dallas police shooting a false flag affair in behalf of gun control?

Is it the result of a war veteran suffering from post traumatic stress disorder?

Is the shooting the beginning of retribution for thousands of wanton police murders of US citizens in the 21st century?

Or is there some other explanation?


We will never know. The perpetrator is dead.

The authorities will tell us whatever suits the purposes of authority.

We could say that the police have brought this on themselves by their undisciplined and violent behavior toward the public.

On the other hand, we can hold the police chiefs, the police unions, the mayors and city councils, the governors, prosecutors, and the Justice (sic) Department responsible for failure to hold accountable those cops who murder and commit gratuitous violence against the public.

When police execute someone, the excuse is always something like this: “He reached under his shirt to his waistband. I thought he had a gun. I didn’t want to leave my children fatherless and my wife a widow.” The murdered victim’s wife and children, if any, are of no consequence.

Conservatives, especially those taught to be fearful of crime, have scant objection to police murders. Their view is always: “The police wouldn’t have shot him without cause.” The same bias in favor of the police is why conservative jurors always convict.

The liberals tend to interpret the shootings as racism, so they want to combat racism.

The real problem is that public authorities do not protect the public from gratuitous violence. Therefore, hatred and disrespect for the police are growing. Routine murders by police–several each day, almost all of which go unpunished–are generating the kind of anger that causes people to snap and to reply to violence with violence.

If the criminal justice system applied also to the police, the police would think twice before they wantonly murder.

Being a police officer is not supposed to be risk free. A police officer should be concerned about the public, not merely his own family. We cannot accept gratuitous police violence on the grounds that the officer’s behavior is dictated by his concerns for his own family. If an officer cannot accept the risks of being a police officer, he should find a different occupation.

Police violence is out of control because mayors, prosecutors, and governors are failing the public by refusing to put a halt to it. According to conservatives, punishment deters crime, but they do not apply this to the police.

Police violence is also out of control because of the revolution in police training which teaches police to protect themselves and to subdue the suspect regardless of cost. A number of former police officers have written to me that the reason they gave up the occupation is that today police are being trained to be killers like soldiers.

If a former police officer or someone knowledgeable about this training would describe it and its history, where it originated and why, I will post it on the website.

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Jul 9, 2016 09:50:43   #
Bshaw
 
I am shocked @ this story as it appears to be about another poor boy killed by cops. This guy was intent on killing white cops. He was trained by our military as a sharpshooter & was good @ what he did. Why he had this hate inside for white men we won't know but that appears to be what he was up to. Not a cop killing/black man issue. Stop with this hate issue crap! The cops were protecting the protest march.

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Jul 9, 2016 10:17:04   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
False flag?

Sometime mobs of angry stupid people do evil stuff without a conspiracy.

BLM is to blame for this, not a group of secret Jews.

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Jul 9, 2016 10:48:59   #
JimMe
 
You're SAD SADDER SADDEST... Thinking Liberal explaining away - and thus defending - MURDER of Police as a consequence of Initial Police Violence...


Doc110 wrote:
07/08/2016 Why Dallas Happened

Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/07/08/why-dallas-happened-paul-craig-roberts/

Is the Dallas police shooting a false flag affair in behalf of gun control?

Is it the result of a war veteran suffering from post traumatic stress disorder?

Is the shooting the beginning of retribution for thousands of wanton police murders of US citizens in the 21st century?

Or is there some other explanation?


We will never know. The perpetrator is dead.

The authorities will tell us whatever suits the purposes of authority.

We could say that the police have brought this on themselves by their undisciplined and violent behavior toward the public.

On the other hand, we can hold the police chiefs, the police unions, the mayors and city councils, the governors, prosecutors, and the Justice (sic) Department responsible for failure to hold accountable those cops who murder and commit gratuitous violence against the public.

When police execute someone, the excuse is always something like this: “He reached under his shirt to his waistband. I thought he had a gun. I didn’t want to leave my children fatherless and my wife a widow.” The murdered victim’s wife and children, if any, are of no consequence.

Conservatives, especially those taught to be fearful of crime, have scant objection to police murders. Their view is always: “The police wouldn’t have shot him without cause.” The same bias in favor of the police is why conservative jurors always convict.

The liberals tend to interpret the shootings as racism, so they want to combat racism.

The real problem is that public authorities do not protect the public from gratuitous violence. Therefore, hatred and disrespect for the police are growing. Routine murders by police–several each day, almost all of which go unpunished–are generating the kind of anger that causes people to snap and to reply to violence with violence.

If the criminal justice system applied also to the police, the police would think twice before they wantonly murder.

Being a police officer is not supposed to be risk free. A police officer should be concerned about the public, not merely his own family. We cannot accept gratuitous police violence on the grounds that the officer’s behavior is dictated by his concerns for his own family. If an officer cannot accept the risks of being a police officer, he should find a different occupation.

Police violence is out of control because mayors, prosecutors, and governors are failing the public by refusing to put a halt to it. According to conservatives, punishment deters crime, but they do not apply this to the police.

Police violence is also out of control because of the revolution in police training which teaches police to protect themselves and to subdue the suspect regardless of cost. A number of former police officers have written to me that the reason they gave up the occupation is that today police are being trained to be killers like soldiers.

If a former police officer or someone knowledgeable about this training would describe it and its history, where it originated and why, I will post it on the website.
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Jul 9, 2016 10:54:08   #
rexzark1 Loc: upstate New York
 
Paul Craig Roberts should receive the presidential medal of freedom. However, there would have to be a thorough cleansing of many of the former recipients so as not to tarnish people like PCR.

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Jul 9, 2016 10:56:15   #
rexzark1 Loc: upstate New York
 
Jim, have you never heard of blowback?

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Jul 9, 2016 11:31:39   #
Airforceone
 
Doc110 wrote:
07/08/2016 Why Dallas Happened

Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/07/08/why-dallas-happened-paul-craig-roberts/

Is the Dallas police shooting a false flag affair in behalf of gun control?

Is it the result of a war veteran suffering from post traumatic stress disorder?

Is the shooting the beginning of retribution for thousands of wanton police murders of US citizens in the 21st century?

Or is there some other explanation?


We will never know. The perpetrator is dead.

The authorities will tell us whatever suits the purposes of authority.

We could say that the police have brought this on themselves by their undisciplined and violent behavior toward the public.

On the other hand, we can hold the police chiefs, the police unions, the mayors and city councils, the governors, prosecutors, and the Justice (sic) Department responsible for failure to hold accountable those cops who murder and commit gratuitous violence against the public.

When police execute someone, the excuse is always something like this: “He reached under his shirt to his waistband. I thought he had a gun. I didn’t want to leave my children fatherless and my wife a widow.” The murdered victim’s wife and children, if any, are of no consequence.

Conservatives, especially those taught to be fearful of crime, have scant objection to police murders. Their view is always: “The police wouldn’t have shot him without cause.” The same bias in favor of the police is why conservative jurors always convict.

The liberals tend to interpret the shootings as racism, so they want to combat racism.

The real problem is that public authorities do not protect the public from gratuitous violence. Therefore, hatred and disrespect for the police are growing. Routine murders by police–several each day, almost all of which go unpunished–are generating the kind of anger that causes people to snap and to reply to violence with violence.

If the criminal justice system applied also to the police, the police would think twice before they wantonly murder.

Being a police officer is not supposed to be risk free. A police officer should be concerned about the public, not merely his own family. We cannot accept gratuitous police violence on the grounds that the officer’s behavior is dictated by his concerns for his own family. If an officer cannot accept the risks of being a police officer, he should find a different occupation.

Police violence is out of control because mayors, prosecutors, and governors are failing the public by refusing to put a halt to it. According to conservatives, punishment deters crime, but they do not apply this to the police.

Police violence is also out of control because of the revolution in police training which teaches police to protect themselves and to subdue the suspect regardless of cost. A number of former police officers have written to me that the reason they gave up the occupation is that today police are being trained to be killers like soldiers.

If a former police officer or someone knowledgeable about this training would describe it and its history, where it originated and why, I will post it on the website.
07/08/2016 Why Dallas Happened br br Paul Craig R... (show quote)


Doc thank you for sharing your thoughts and yes most I can agree with you. It really did show your true feelings.

But the point I am trying to make and create a debate over is how did this country get to where we are today with a gun coulture where people feel the need for conceal carry, obtaining military type weapons, and so on. That is the debate I am trying to create. If we can't get to the gun coulture and how, then we can't get to the fix. But thanks Doc great post

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Jul 9, 2016 11:38:31   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
rexzark1 wrote:
Jim, have you never heard of blowback?
Does this have anything to do with Monica's stained blue dress?

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Jul 9, 2016 12:15:28   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Have to agree, if this march hadn't taken place 5 cops would be alive, would had gone home to their families.



Super Dave wrote:
False flag?

Sometime mobs of angry stupid people do evil stuff without a conspiracy.

BLM is to blame for this, not a group of secret Jews.

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Jul 9, 2016 12:20:02   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
bmac32 wrote:
Have to agree, if this march hadn't taken place 5 cops would be alive, would had gone home to their families.
Most likely so. Unless the perps planned on killing them in some other place.

If a murdering terrorist thug blows people up at a football game you can't blame the 2 teams that were playing, but you can blame anyone that assisted the terrorists.

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Jul 9, 2016 12:52:28   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Super Dave wrote:
Most likely so. Unless the perps planned on killing them in some other place.

If a murdering terrorist thug blows people up at a football game you can't blame the 2 teams that were playing, but you can blame anyone that assisted the terrorists.


This guy had bomb making materials in his apartment. He definitely was planning something. Pretty sophisticated stuff too.

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Jul 9, 2016 13:16:23   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
tdsrnest wrote:
Doc thank you for sharing your thoughts and yes most I can agree with you. It really did show your true feelings.

But the point I am trying to make and create a debate over is how did this country get to where we are today with a gun coulture where people feel the need for conceal carry, obtaining military type weapons, and so on. That is the debate I am trying to create. If we can't get to the gun coulture and how, then we can't get to the fix. But thanks Doc great post




The police have changed over the past 40 years, if they really did some community out reach, or called the beat-walk things might be different,
in black and immigrant communities.

It's all about the perception of trust with police officers and the community they are policing.

Paul Craig Roberts, tried to blame this on conservatives, but it is also a liberal misconception also.

This issue is conjoined at the hips for all Americans. Black lives Maters are politicizing there position.


The Police need to change their tactics and do some real community social outreach and Governors, Mayors, cities and town need to not look at the economics police.

But to hire more police to protect and serve the communities that they represent.

This community outreach will resolve the crime and protect the citizens in those neighborhood.

Thats where I'm coming from and is the solution for this national unrest, that President Obama, DOJ lynch, holder, liberals democrats, liberal groups like Black Lives Matter, and the media fan the fires of bigotry and hatred.

Obama has never addressed that our police are under manned over worked and out gunned.

It's Called community out reach and walking the beat, this will change the hearts of ethnic communities perception and foster a working relationship in those communities.

So what's your plan, or will you continue to fan the fires of liberal democrats sycophant pushing this black lives narrative.





Now they the police have less time and it all done through the dispatch system of "Criminal Triage."

A loose, loose policing proposition, from one forest fire to another. It's called police burn-out, all negativity and has its effect on police officers.

The Police nowadays are "Judge, Jury And Verdict," its all about community revenue and financial gain.

Not to protect and serve . . .


The Sate owned and privatization of the penal correction system that ensures a 90 % inmate capacity is a national travesty.

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Jul 9, 2016 13:21:49   #
PeterS
 
Super Dave wrote:
False flag?

Sometime mobs of angry stupid people do evil stuff without a conspiracy.

BLM is to blame for this, not a group of secret Jews.


BLM didn't pull the trigger Dave--a guy with a lot of hate and a gun did all the damage.

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Jul 9, 2016 14:06:55   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
tdsrnest wrote:


But the point I am trying to make and create a debate over is how did this country get to where we are today with a gun coulture where people feel the need for conceal carry, obtaining military type weapons, and so on. That is the debate I am trying to create. If we can't get to the gun coulture and how, then we can't get to the fix.
No, you are no where near an honest debate. The violence we are experiencing has nothing to do with the gun or the "gun culture". If you want an honest debate, you better get fucking real. Our problem is the human condition arising from a liberal progressive ideology that has no moral framework or reference, it is shredding the social fabric of our nation and destroying the human spirit. By suggesting that the "fix" is in doing something about the "gun culture", you are totally avoiding the cause.

PeterS wrote:
BLM didn't pull the trigger Dave--a guy with a lot of hate and a gun did all the damage.
Yeah, and where did that hate come from? Johnson didn't just wake up one day and decide to start hating white cops. This guy was driven, dude, Black Lives Matter and Farrakhan's Nation of Islam are hate generators from hell, and they are "inspiring" a helluva lot of Johnsons.

It would benefit us all if all you spineless hoplophobic wussys would get off the "blame the gun and anyone who owns one" crap and focus on the fucking CAUSE of all this hate and violence.

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Jul 9, 2016 17:25:45   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
PeterS wrote:
BLM didn't pull the trigger Dave--a guy with a lot of hate and a gun did all the damage.


I don't think it's a coincidence that he went to a rally of people that were calling for the murdering of police officers.

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