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Jun 3, 2016 17:04:59   #
PeterS
 
Hemiman wrote:
Sboy at work again.

So if you can't attack the message you go after the messenger? Nice going Hemi, nice going...

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Jun 3, 2016 17:06:45   #
sboy
 
The Libertarian Party is not a write in. They will be on the ballot in all 51 jurisdictions. Their nominee, Gary Johnson, will be in the Presidential debates and do a good job there, too. Gary is the former two-term Governor of New Mexico and left office with a surplus in his budgets. He is a true libertarian and is the only choice for those who cannot stomach the shoot from the hip approach of Trump, or the dishonest, misguided Hillary.
PoppaGringo wrote:
If the majority of people wanted Johnson he wouldn't be a write-in candidate.

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Jun 3, 2016 17:08:59   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
PeterS wrote:
So if you can't attack the message you go after the messenger? Nice going Hemi, nice going...


Thank you, I will be here all week.

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Jun 3, 2016 17:11:06   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
sboy wrote:
There are lots of reasons to believe that Trump will not be a good President, aside from being a loudmouth. Trump has no coherent, consistent policies. He could go off the deep end at any time. He has no knowledge of current events, or of current leaders. Like Hillary, his only concern is to win the election and will say and do anything to make that happen. He has no knowledge of what is needed for the defense of this country and has never even read the Constitution. Trump is a demagogue and does not use logic when making a decision.

Perhaps the most important reason not to elect Trump is that there is now in the race a person with excellent qualities to be a real President, Gary Johnson. To deny Gary the office of President in favor of a low quality personage, such as Donald, would be a travesty to the voters and to our great country.
There are lots of reasons to believe that Trump wi... (show quote)


Why didn't the voters choose Johnson when he was previously a nominee? Why have they chosen Trump this time?

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Jun 3, 2016 17:12:48   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
sboy wrote:
The Libertarian Party is not a write in. They will be on the ballot in all 51 jurisdictions. Their nominee, Gary Johnson, will be in the Presidential debates and do a good job there, too. Gary is the former two-term Governor of New Mexico and left office with a surplus in his budgets. He is a true libertarian and is the only choice for those who cannot stomach the shoot from the hip approach of Trump, or the dishonest, misguided Hillary.


Why wasn't he one of the 17 this time around?

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Jun 3, 2016 17:13:04   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
sboy wrote:
You make it sound like Trump got minimal help. One million dollars of "seed money" is a BIG help. Gary Johnson is also in the construction business. He got no help from anybody, but still succeeded and made a fortune. In addition, he ran for governor and was elected twice. He is a reasonable, public minded individual and unlike Trump, he deserves to be elected President.


1 mil to 1 bil is a 10,000 fold return.

If you gained $10,000 for every $1 you invested, you would be a financial genius also. His father had the money to lend. Would you have turned it down?

If you want to complain about Trump you need to not criticize his strongest point. It sounds silly.

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Jun 3, 2016 17:22:37   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
sboy wrote:
FYI, I have been a Libertarian almost all of my life. I was an early supporter of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan, whom I consider to be the best of the recent Presidents. There is no reason why Trump should have turned down a gift from his father, but it is not a complement to his resume.

A vote for Gary is not wasted in any sense of the word. First, in this odd election cycle, Donald and Hillary are largely detested, even by those who "like" them. Second, Gary is already polling at 10% and at 15% will have earned entry into the debates. Once Gary is in the debates, his skill as a debater and his policies will become known widely. Then all bets are off-it becomes anybody's game, with three players. Wake up!!!
FYI, I have been a Libertarian almost all of my li... (show quote)


His borrowing the money is a ridiculous thing to cricize. If you think it is not silly, go picket a bank for loaning.

I watched the debate Johnson was a part of. Not bad. A few things I didn't like such as his saying Libertarians are socialists.

Be that as it may, all he will do is hand the WH to the.left and if you can't see that, you are blind. If Libertarians are true patriots and want America back, first take it away from the left. Then work to take control. You simply will not get it this cycle and if you vote Johnson you vote against America.

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Jun 3, 2016 17:24:29   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Docadhoc wrote:
His borrowing the money is a ridiculous thing to cricize. If you think it is not silly, go picket a bank for loaning.

I watched the debate Johnson was a part of. Not bad. A few things I didn't like such as his saying Libertarians are socialists.

Be that as it may, all he will do is hand the WH to the.left and if you can't see that, you are blind. If Libertarians are true patriots and want America back, first take it away from the left. Then work to take control. You simply will not get it this cycle and if you vote Johnson you vote against America.
His borrowing the money is a ridiculous thing to c... (show quote)


A vote for Johnson is a vote for Hillary.

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Jun 3, 2016 17:29:06   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
sboy wrote:
FYI, I have been a Libertarian almost all of my life. I was an early supporter of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan, whom I consider to be the best of the recent Presidents. There is no reason why Trump should have turned down a gift from his father, but it is not a complement to his resume.

A vote for Gary is not wasted in any sense of the word. First, in this odd election cycle, Donald and Hillary are largely detested, even by those who "like" them. Second, Gary is already polling at 10% and at 15% will have earned entry into the debates. Once Gary is in the debates, his skill as a debater and his policies will become known widely. Then all bets are off-it becomes anybody's game, with three players. Wake up!!!
FYI, I have been a Libertarian almost all of my li... (show quote)


Think. If Johnson gets 15% that leaves 85%. It takes $16% to beat him. If he gets 30, it takes 31 of the remaining 70 to beat him.

IF he gets in the debates he will get much less attention and it doesn't matter what he says. He is nearly unknown. He has no clout. If you were serious you should have been pounding him into OPP for 2 years already. To me, you want Hillary to win.

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Jun 3, 2016 18:25:44   #
fullspinzoo
 
sboy wrote:
Trump is a liar in just about everything he says and does. But what can be done about it? He is the Republican nominee. Trump is clearly unfit to be President, because he cannot be relied upon in anything he does, or says. Hillary is totally unacceptable, because she is also a liar. They are both frauds.

My vote is with the Libertarian Party and their candidate, Gary Johnson. Gary has a sterling record from when he was Governor of New Mexico. He has an excellent chance of winning, because Hillary may end up in prison and Donald may explode from the dumb things he constantly says and does.
Trump is a liar in just about everything he says a... (show quote)

Show me a few lies he has told. You people are so pathetic. Guy does a great deed and raise $5.6 million, 56 times more money than Hillary has raised for the Vets and you just shit on him. Pathetic.

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Jun 3, 2016 19:54:53   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
Weewillynobeerspilly wrote:
Cuban is a Douche', hard to watch that goober talk about anything.


Mark Cuban is a basket ball team(Dallas Mavericks)owner
and not a very good one
does a lot of talking
and not much else

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Jun 3, 2016 22:39:55   #
sboy
 
Obviously, this is a different election in many respects. Last go-round, Johnson ran against Romney, a mainstream Republican and there was less dissension in the Republican Party. This is a very unusual year, in which Johnson is running against the Republican nominee, who is not the nominee of the mainstream Republicans. Also, this year, Johnson is running against Hillary, who is not well liked by many Democrats. If there ever was a year for the Libertarians to succeed, it is this year, with the aforesaid circumstances.

I personally know of no Libertarians who are supporting Trump, although there may be some. Trump is in no way a libertarian, not even a conservative. Whatever policies Trump supports, it seems unlikely that many L(l)ibertarians actually support Trump because of his policies, because we are unable to determine what Trump's actual policies are.

The Libertarian Party is very well organized and has been in existence since 1972. the Libertarian Party will be on the ballots of all 50 states and D.C. and we expect Gov. Johnson to be invited to participate in the Presidential Debates. Johnson is already at 10% in the average of the major polls and 15% is what is needed to qualify. Johnson, unlike Trump, speaks and looks "presidential". He has none of the Trump negatives and is well-liked by those who know him in and out of politics. He also has great experience, having served as Governor of New Mexico for two very successful terms. In the Republican debates 8 years ago, against Mc Cain and others, he was favorably reviewed by the press. Nevertheless, dirty Republican politics forced him out of those debates and he switched to the Libertarian Party.

This go-round, the Libertarian Party is stronger, while the Republicans and Democrats are weaker. In the coming three-way race, the votes will divide into three somewhat equal parts giving the LIbertarians as good a chance as the major parties. I hope that this information will be helpful to you in making your voting decision. [By the way, I am not an official of the Libertarian Party and do not speak for them. However, as you may suspect, I am an avid supporter of the Libertarian Party.]
PoppaGringo wrote:
Why didn't the voters choose Johnson when he was previously a nominee? Why have they chosen Trump this time?

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Jun 3, 2016 22:50:46   #
sboy
 
If Gary gets 15%, he will be in the debates. He is an experienced debater and should do well, raising his name recognition and popularity. If there are three major candidates, each taking about 1/3 of the vote, he only needs about 18% more to be competitive. The campaign has barely begun. Gary has the qualities to make the grade, if the debates are run fairly.
Docadhoc wrote:
Think. If Johnson gets 15% that leaves 85%. It takes $16% to beat him. If he gets 30, it takes 31 of the remaining 70 to beat him.

IF he gets in the debates he will get much less attention and it doesn't matter what he says. He is nearly unknown. He has no clout. If you were serious you should have been pounding him into OPP for 2 years already. To me, you want Hillary to win.

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Jun 3, 2016 22:56:56   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
sboy wrote:
If Gary gets 15%, he will be in the debates. He is an experienced debater and should do well, raising his name recognition and popularity. If there are three major candidates, each taking about 1/3 of the vote, he only needs about 18% more to be competitive. The campaign has barely begun. Gary has the qualities to make the grade, if the debates are run fairly.


Wishful, but deluded, thinking.

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Jun 3, 2016 22:59:21   #
sboy
 
You forgot another adjective: logical.
PoppaGringo wrote:
Wishful, but deluded, thinking.

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