OK, here's why I changed my choice and now support TRUMP (Page 6): Damn! :sm13: :sm25:...

Big Bass

Carol Kelly wrote:

Don't count on it. He'll probably never go.

Damn!

S. Maturin

whole2th wrote:

color=red My post on Page 4 of this topic has bee... (show quote)

(DISCLAIMER: I am a founding/charter member of JPFO.)

Well, let's see, now: muslims are ruthless murderous, throat slashing, bloody bastages who have not changed one whit in 1300 years or so, and you see Israel as a terrible source of a lot of our difficulties. Interesting.

So who are our tried and proven allies? Who, exactly? Brits are becoming muslim. France is becoming muslim. Who can we trust with America's welfare? Who has the American people's survival as the main concern? AMERICA AND AMERICANS that's who... all others must be handled as one would handle any other unreliable and possibly deadly item which could, with care, be beneficial.

The world - since 2008- has become a very hostile place for civilization as a whole and America in particular. Obama has worked hard and tirelessly to bring that about. Our problems lie not with Israel or any other country-- it lies within us... our core... Washington, DC............... and within ourselves.

<Rant off.

whole2th

S. Maturin wrote:

(DISCLAIMER: I am a founding/charter member of JPF... (show quote)

Israel a tried and proven ally?

USS Liberty
Lavon Affair
King David Hotel
9-11 This is the most clear proof that Israel is an enemy, not an ally of the U.S.

You regurgitate the zionist memes quite directly. The zionist mass media MATRIX of deception brings us those memes 24/7.

If muslims controlled the mass media the opposite memes may be regurgitated by the gullible masses.

The reality is that we live in a matrix of zionist deceptions.

S. Maturin

whole2th wrote:

Israel a tried and proven ally?

USS Liberty
Lavon Affair
King David Hotel
9-11 This is the most clear proof that Israel is an enemy, not an ally of the U.S.

You regurgitate the zionist memes quite directly. The zionist mass media MATRIX of deception brings us those memes 24/7.

If muslims controlled the mass media the opposite memes may be regurgitated by the gullible masses.

The reality is that we live in a matrix of zionist deceptions.

"Israel a tried and proven ally?" --- where did I say that??

I think you are using the quotes- half-quotes-- in an unfair way. Kinda like mothers-in-law do when they want to start a fight.

whole2th

S. Maturin wrote:

So who are our tried and proven allies? Who, exac... (show quote)

You used the phrase "tried and proven allies". So, I applied the phrase to Israel and made the point with examples that Israel is not a proven ally.

S. Maturin

whole2th wrote:

You used the phrase "tried and proven allies". So, I applied the phrase to Israel and made the point with examples that Israel is not a proven ally.

Oh, I saw what you did. That's what is called 'out of context' and it is utilized widely by disingenuous persons wishing more to make some point rather than listening to and paying attention to expressions of others.

Had I expected that, I would have not commented.

whole2th

S. Maturin wrote:

Oh, I saw what you did. That's what is called 'out of context' and it is utilized widely by disingenuous persons wishing more to make some point rather than listening to and paying attention to expressions of others.

Had I expected that, I would have not commented.

You set yourself up for a fall by opening the conversation to "our allies" and then claiming that my reply was off topic when I brought in Israel which is alleged to be "our best ally in the Middle East".

Trump's many pledges of allegiance to Israel make him more a President for Israel first than a President for America first.

S. Maturin

whole2th wrote:

You set yourself up for a fall by opening the conversation to "our allies" and then claiming that my reply was off topic when I brought in Israel which is alleged to be "our best ally in the Middle East".

Trump's many pledges of allegiance to Israel make him more a President for Israel first than a President for America first.

That qualifies for only one word response: bullshit.

whole2th

S. Maturin wrote:

That qualifies for only one word response: bullshit.

And your one word response is woefully inadequate to rebut the evidence.

Here's a former Director of Studies at the US Army War College, Dr. Alan Sabrosky:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQk4jOcV8RA

In November 2007, the Corriere della Sera reported that former President of Italy, Francesco Cossiga had declared that everyone knew that 9/11 had been engineered by the CIA and Mossad with the "help of the Zionist world" to discredit the Arabs. (many verified reports of Cossiga's statement implicating Israel)

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

Security at the origin airports was an Israeli company, ICTS.

There are so many other connections linking Israel (Mossad) to Israel--not the least of which was motive.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/58318030/US-Military-Knows-Israel-Did-9-11-Alan-Sabrosky-USMC

So, your one-word rebuttal fails.

Carol Kelly

S. Maturin wrote:

"Israel a tried and proven ally?" --- where did I say that??

I think you are using the quotes- half-quotes-- in an unfair way. Kinda like mothers-in-law do when they want to start a fight.

Carol Kelly

S. Maturin wrote:

Oh, I saw what you did. That's what is called 'out of context' and it is utilized widely by disingenuous persons wishing more to make some point rather than listening to and paying attention to expressions of others.

Had I expected that, I would have not commented.

We would be wise not to comment to some. They hardly speak the same language and don't wish to understand. Israel is, I repeat for the benefit of those slow on the uptake,
our ALLY and friend. As a nation, we are their friend. I do not attempt to speak for our
President, as I believe he has spoken and illustrated his dislike of Bibi.

Carol Kelly

S. Maturin wrote:

That qualifies for only one word response: bullshit.

I believe you've finally used the correct terminology. Thank you.

S. Maturin

S. Maturin wrote:

That qualifies for only one word response: bullshit.

Evidence? You know there is no substantive evidence. You only have a belief system and you will gather up wacko theories like a dung beetle gathers dung to look like something of importance actually exists. But you know, in your heart of hearts, all that conspiracy crap is just that- crap.

muslims - mostly from Saudi Arabia - commandeered those airplanes and caused those 3000+ innocent American lives to be lost on 9/11, so why the subterfuge? Why??

S. Maturin

Carol Kelly wrote:

I believe you've finally used the correct terminology. Thank you.

Thanks.

I just cannot for the life of me understand these people. The hard evidence is so solid and irrefutable and still they believe--- BELIEVE... oh, maybe that's the key.... it's a belief system- like Jim Jones and the Halley's comet folks. Now, that would explain it.

Carol Kelly

S. Maturin wrote:

Thanks.

I just cannot for the life of me understand these people. The hard evidence is so solid and irrefutable and still they believe--- BELIEVE... oh, maybe that's the key.... it's a belief system- like Jim Jones and the Halley's comet folks. Now, that would explain it.

I'm not sure they really believe what they say or understand what they're saying. It's a tool to get things stirred up like a poker when you need to get the fire going. Have you
noticed it's under why I changed and decided to vote for Trump or something like that?