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Nov 11, 2013 19:51:57   #
Ricktloml
 
Not only will we still be here, God, and Jesus come to earth to establish their temple here, we will not be caught up in the clouds, the true interpretation isn't air, but breath of life

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Nov 13, 2013 13:15:54   #
jackjetson
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Nowhere does the term rapture appear in the Bible, it was concocted in the 1930s, from a what woman's dream. There is scripture that tells us that God is against those who would fly to save their souls, and there is a lot of instruction on witnessing and standing, and enduring


what is the difference in rapture and the catching away, meeting Christ in the air. in Thes. Just a different words to use for it. Same as words like. Talking=speaking, seeing=looking, etc. All are plain old verbs(shows action). What do you do with the dead in Christ, shall rise first, and those that are left alive shall follow. Sure, we should be witnessing, but that is while we are alive now.

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Nov 13, 2013 14:13:12   #
jackjetson
 
Kiwegapawa wrote:
Note that the Anti-Christ has already been found, Born in the UK and has moved to the Northeastern United States where he has started his church. This just across the state line from Cambridge, NY. Currently there have been three New Life Christian Churches (Baptist) that have surrounded his church. He and his operations are being observed by these Baptist Churches. This all since the late 80's to my knowledge as it was shown to me by one of the three Churches and their elders in the early 90's.

Oh, and hello, I'm brand new here. Only been here mere minutes. Gimmie sometime to create my own Hello thread. As I have not fully formulated the issue I'd like to present to the community. Thank you for the space and God Bless!
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The identity of the antichrist, will not be reveal until the last three and half years of the tribulation, This, the Bible makes plain. That is when he comes to Jerusalem, sets up in the temple and states with super power from Satan himself, that he is god. The Bible also, says, the elect will not be fooled by him.

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Nov 13, 2013 16:54:27   #
bahmer
 
jackjetson wrote:
what is the difference in rapture and the catching away, meeting Christ in the air. in Thes. Just a different words to use for it. Same as words like. Talking=speaking, seeing=looking, etc. All are plain old verbs(shows action). What do you do with the dead in Christ, shall rise first, and those that are left alive shall follow. Sure, we should be witnessing, but that is while we are alive now.


Nowhere in the original bible do you find English words. English words are all translations from the original Hebrew and Arabic that was in use in that day. Now then they had words back then that had no English translation and we had to get as close as we could. There are also some words that had gender to them and we don't have that in the English language either but we translate the best we can to get the major meaning of Gods word into the hands of the many. We have also translated the Bible into many languages and these languages are all open to the interpreters as the translate to that language. I trust our Lord and Savior to get the translations as near to perfect as they can be.

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Nov 13, 2013 17:37:40   #
Geno36 Loc: Texas
 
bahmer wrote:
Nowhere in the original bible do you find English words. English words are all translations from the original Hebrew and Arabic that was in use in that day. Now then they had words back then that had no English translation and we had to get as close as we could. There are also some words that had gender to them and we don't have that in the English language either but we translate the best we can to get the major meaning of Gods word into the hands of the many. We have also translated the Bible into many languages and these languages are all open to the interpreters as the translate to that language. I trust our Lord and Savior to get the translations as near to perfect as they can be.
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The New Testament was written in Koine Greek with some Aramaic. The Old Testament was written in Hebrew. Aramaic is not the same as Arabic.

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Nov 13, 2013 18:05:34   #
Ricktloml
 
jackjetson wrote:
what is the difference in rapture and the catching away, meeting Christ in the air. in Thes. Just a different words to use for it. Same as words like. Talking=speaking, seeing=looking, etc. All are plain old verbs(shows action). What do you do with the dead in Christ, shall rise first, and those that are left alive shall follow. Sure, we should be witnessing, but that is while we are alive now.


The dead in Christ have risen, an are already in paradise, example, Christ said to the malefactor on the cross next to him, TODAY you will be with me in paradise. first Thes . simply means if you believe Christ rose from the dead then you have to believe that those who died as believers rose also, and the correct interpretation, get a Strongs Concordance, which traces each word in the Bible back to the original Hebrew , Greek, or Chaldean manuscript, for air in that passage is breath of life, not atmosphere, we are to overcome not fly away, and Ezekiel 13, 20 & 21 admonish us that God against those who teach others to fly to save their souls

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Nov 13, 2013 21:11:49   #
jackjetson
 
Ricktloml wrote:
The dead in Christ have risen, an are already in paradise, example, Christ said to the malefactor on the cross next to him, TODAY you will be with me in paradise. first Thes . simply means if you believe Christ rose from the dead then you have to believe that those who died as believers rose also, and the correct interpretation, get a Strongs Concordance, which traces each word in the Bible back to the original Hebrew , Greek, or Chaldean manuscript, for air in that passage is breath of life, not atmosphere, we are to overcome not fly away, and Ezekiel 13, 20 & 21 admonish us that God against those who teach others to fly to save their souls
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Then what do you do, with the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then the ones that are alive, shall be caught up together in the air and shall, be with the Lord forever. Thes. 1:16 and 17. You are spreading a false teaching. The Bible states if you say, there is no rising, of the dead then your worship is in vain. If you say this, you are still in your sins. He states the ones that are now dead are perish, if there is no resurrection, 1st corthn.15:12-22. You preach foolishness. :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :cry:

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Nov 13, 2013 21:23:54   #
jackjetson
 
Kiwegapawa wrote:
Oh yea, and he has not been a child since before he left England. As I said, he has started his church. I don't know of any child that has ever started a church. Course that doesn't mean there hasn't been one out there that I've never heard of...


Where do you people come from. Have some space ships landed. Did you just fall off a cabbage truck. I was reading your post to my wife, and my dog starting laughing.

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Nov 13, 2013 21:45:05   #
Ricktloml
 
jackjetson wrote:
Then what do you do, with the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then the ones that are alive, shall be caught up together in the air and shall, be with the Lord forever. Thes. 1:16 and 17. You are spreading a false teaching. The Bible states if you say, there is no rising, of the dead then your worship is in vain. If you say this, you are still in your sins. He states the ones that are now dead are perish, if there is no resurrection, 1st corthn.15:12-22. You preach foolishness. :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :cry:
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Of course those who preceded the living rise first, and when we no longer need these flesh bodies we join Christ in paradise, the rapture doctrine is the false doctrine, I hit the wrong button earlier and didn't catch it, the rapture doctrine was started in 1831, not 1931, you should do some serious research on it's founding. If you are spiritually dead, that is if you haven't accepted Christ as your savior yes you will perish at the great White Throne judgement. Which two churches did Christ not find fault with? the two that taught His doctrine, as He preached it, I can find no reference to pre tribulation rapture in any of Christ's sermons, so I don't see how you can claim I'm promoting false doctrine, when the term rapture is nowhere in the Bible

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Nov 13, 2013 21:55:59   #
Ricktloml
 
jackjetson wrote:
Then what do you do, with the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then the ones that are alive, shall be caught up together in the air and shall, be with the Lord forever. Thes. 1:16 and 17. You are spreading a false teaching. The Bible states if you say, there is no rising, of the dead then your worship is in vain. If you say this, you are still in your sins. He states the ones that are now dead are perish, if there is no resurrection, 1st corthn.15:12-22. You preach foolishness. :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :cry:
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There are many scriptures throughout the entire Bible that puts a huge question mark on the rapture doctrine, there are what ? two or three used to justify it,and even the scripture in Thes. says Christ comes HERE , and we join him, but if you feel you have the right to judge me go ahead,I know I have repented, and I certainly don't have to answer to you

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Nov 13, 2013 22:03:36   #
Geno36 Loc: Texas
 
I don't think JJ is judging you he is rather questioning you doctrine. That is considered discernment not judging.

The way you use the term "repent" you might consider what it means in the scripture.


Ricktloml wrote:
There are many scriptures throughout the entire Bible that puts a huge question mark on the rapture doctrine, there are what ? two or three used to justify it,and even the scripture in Thes. says Christ comes HERE , and we join him, but if you feel you have the right to judge me go ahead,I know I have repented, and I certainly don't have to answer to you

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Nov 13, 2013 23:24:22   #
Ricktloml
 
Geno36 wrote:
I don't think JJ is judging you he is rather questioning you doctrine. That is considered discernment not judging.

The way you use the term "repent" you might consider what it means in the scripture.


Sounded like judgement to me not discernment, I never denied that Christ rose or that believers did either, I do deny the the rapture doctrine, and what do you mean the way I used the term repent, I have repented of my past sins, and when I slip and sin again, as we all do I will again repent

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Nov 14, 2013 22:07:30   #
Ricktloml
 
Geno36 wrote:
I don't think JJ is judging you he is rather questioning you doctrine. That is considered discernment not judging.

The way you use the term "repent" you might consider what it means in the scripture.


Never once in any of my posts did I use a thumbs down or frowning face in replying to JJ, on the other hand instead of dialoging with me he used both, but I will turn the other cheek, how about you and JJ, guess we will wait and see

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