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May 18, 2016 05:49:32   #
Pisher
 
whole2th wrote:
A former Jew might know something about the psychopathy of Jews.

http://www.gilad.co.uk/a-to-zion/


Gilad Atzmon, I refer you to the US Palestinian Community Network (USPCN); “With this letter, we call for the disavowal of Atzmon by fellow Palestinian organizers, as well as Palestine solidarity activists, and allies of the Palestinian people, and note the dangers of supporting Atzmon’s political work and writings and providing any platforms for their dissemination. We do so as Palestinian organizers and activists, working across continents, campaigns, and ideological positions.” It goes on to say “We reaffirm that there is no room in this historic and foundational analysis of our struggle for any attacks on our Jewish allies, Jews, or Judaism; nor denying the Holocaust; nor allying in any way shape or form with any conspiracy theories, far-right, orientalist, and racist arguments, associations and entities.”

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May 18, 2016 06:23:12   #
okie don
 
Thanks Pish
I keep trying to sort all this outin my feeble mind.
Great post(:-))
Don

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May 18, 2016 08:26:43   #
sweetlips
 

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May 18, 2016 09:07:52   #
payne1000
 
Pisher wrote:
Good and bad Jews? Really do you think that they are any different than any other people? Do you somehow hold them to a different standard? That is like saying, I only like the good Hispanic or the good black, or the good German, or muslim.... how do you tell the difference? Have we gotten to the level that we see a name and automatically call the person good or bad based on the origin of their name? Going further, because being a Jew is not necessarily a race, but is also a religion do you think that they all believe exactly the same? How about looking at it in a simple light, there are Lutherans, Episcopalians, Jehovah Witness, Baptist (which also have several splinters), 7th Day Advantage, Catholics and a host of other "Christians." Can you say which are fake? Does it matter where they were born or the color of their skin? Which of these are "Biblical Christians?" If they are not "Biblical Christians" are they still just as noble or holy as the ancient ones? Or are the modern day Christians somehow better or worse? Are there not variations in cluture and practice? As I have tried to show you, there are different "flavors" of Christians but they share a basic understanding, although some have fractured or became subcultures within a fractured group such as the Lutherans or Baptist. This happens in belief systems, when culture changes so do the customs of the people. Likewise when the political environment changes, religions adapts. For example the Pauline Christian adapted and adopted some Pagan customs (like using a cross as their symbol of belief, Christmas Trees, Easter Eggs and so on) and at the same time evangelist adopted African customs and interlaced them with their ceremonies.

So too have the Jewish faith evolved, there is not just one religion called Judaism. There are Orthodox Judaism, Reform Judaism, Conservative Judaism, Hasidic Judaism, and Kabbalah. At the core, they share a belief in a singular God. But, just like Christianity, things get interesting. I recommend a quick google on the "types" for a better understanding.

Another similarity that Christianity and Judaism share is the concept of "converts." As one can be "saved" and join a church, one can "study" and become a Jew. Therefore just as a Christian Church has a mosaic of colors and heritage, so do synagogues. No one who wishes to worship is turned away in either Christianity or Judaism.

Ashkenazic Jews are the Jews of France, Germany, and Eastern Europe and their descendants. The adjective "Ashkenazic" and corresponding nouns, Ashkenazi (singular) and Ashkenazim (plural) are derived from the Hebrew word "Ashkenaz," which is used to refer to Germany. Most American Jews today are Ashkenazim, descended from Jews who emigrated from Germany and Eastern Europe from the mid 1800s to the early 1900s.

Sephardic Jews are the Jews of Spain, Portugal, North Africa and the Middle East and their descendants. The adjective "Sephardic" and corresponding nouns Sephardi (singular) and Sephardim (plural) are derived from the Hebrew word "Sepharad," which refers to Spain.

Sephardic Jews are often subdivided into Sephardim, from Spain and Portugal, and Mizrachim, from the Northern Africa and the Middle East. The word "Mizrachi" comes from the Hebrew word for Eastern. There is much overlap between the Sephardim and Mizrachim. Until the 1400s, the Iberian Peninsula, North Africa and the Middle East were all controlled by Muslims, who allowed most people to move freely throughout the region. It was under this rule that Sephardic Judaism developed. When the Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492, many of them were absorbed into existing Mizrachi communities in Northern Africa and the Middle East.

Most of the early Jewish settlers of North America were Sephardic. The first Jewish congregation in North America, Shearith Israel, founded in what is now New York in 1684, was Sephardic and is still active. Philadelphia's first Jewish congregation, Congregation Mikveh Israel, founded in 1740, was also a Sephardic one, and is also still active.

In Israel, a little more than half of all Jews are Mizrachim, descended from Jews who have been in the land since ancient times or who were forced out of Arab countries after Israel was founded. Most of the rest are Ashkenazic, descended from Jews who came to the Holy Land (then controlled by the Ottoman Turks) instead of the United States in the late 1800s, or from Holocaust survivors, or from other immigrants who came at various times. About 1% of the Israeli population are the black Ethiopian Jews who fled during the brutal Ethiopian famine in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

And there is other Jews; Yemenite Jews, Ethiopian Jews (also known as Beta Israel and sometimes called Falashas), and Asian Jews also have some distinct customs and traditions.

Regardless of where the Jew came from, they are a collection of INDIVIDUALS and should be seen as individuals, judged on their individual actions.

Revelations... No other New Testament book reads like Revelation. The book virtually drips with blood and reeks of sulfur. At the center of this final battle between good and evil is an action-hero-like Jesus, who is in no mood to turn the other cheek. This book (and believe it or not, there were other books of this nature which did not make it into the "Bible" or Cannon) can scare the stuffing out of children, I know for a fact because as a kid it gave me nightmares! Evangelic preachers say that the "Fake Jew" are the European Jew. But, they also believed in the 1950s that rock n roll was designed by the devil, that providing medical care (not all of the evangelical groups) is wrong and goes against God. Some believe that to show your belief one must handle poisonous snake (you could never get me to do that!). Other religions think that fake Jews are those who look Jewish, smell Jewish, but in their heart they do not believe as a Jew, just like fake Christians. Many claim to be Christians but spend their time judging others, would not cross the street to help their neighbor, who sleeps around among other things.... Jews are guilty of the same appetites. People are people, Israel just happens to be a unique group of individuals who are a minority of the entire world, who has the respect of some and the scorn of most.

One last thing: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National-Socialist German Workers' Party; NSDAP). The shorthand Nazi was formed from the first two syllables of the German pronunciation of the word "national" (IPA: [na-tsi̯-o-ˈnaːl]).
Good and bad Jews? Really do you think that they ... (show quote)


Pisher, I see you just registered on this forum today.
Most members of this forum know that when you cut-and-paste from authors other than yourself, it is proper to identify where your acquired your information.
Otherwise it appears you are taking credit for another author's work. That's commonly known as plagiarism. Here's your source: http://www.jewfaq.org/ashkseph.htm

Are you aware that "Pisher" is defined as someone who is insignificant or contemptible?
One hebrew definition even goes so far as to define a pisher as a bed-wetter.

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May 18, 2016 09:09:31   #
whole2th
 
Pisher wrote:
Gilad Atzmon, I refer you to the US Palestinian Community Network (USPCN); “With this letter, we call for the disavowal of Atzmon by fellow Palestinian organizers, as well as Palestine solidarity activists, and allies of the Palestinian people, and note the dangers of supporting Atzmon’s political work and writings and providing any platforms for their dissemination. We do so as Palestinian organizers and activists, working across continents, campaigns, and ideological positions.” It goes on to say “We reaffirm that there is no room in this historic and foundational analysis of our struggle for any attacks on our Jewish allies, Jews, or Judaism; nor denying the Holocaust; nor allying in any way shape or form with any conspiracy theories, far-right, orientalist, and racist arguments, associations and entities.”
Gilad Atzmon, I refer you to the US Palestinian ... (show quote)


What is your previous identity here at OPP, "Pisher"?

That your first post here was so long reminds me of Pennylynn.

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May 18, 2016 09:30:29   #
payne1000
 
Pisher wrote:
Gilad Atzmon, I refer you to the US Palestinian Community Network (USPCN); “With this letter, we call for the disavowal of Atzmon by fellow Palestinian organizers, as well as Palestine solidarity activists, and allies of the Palestinian people, and note the dangers of supporting Atzmon’s political work and writings and providing any platforms for their dissemination. We do so as Palestinian organizers and activists, working across continents, campaigns, and ideological positions.” It goes on to say “We reaffirm that there is no room in this historic and foundational analysis of our struggle for any attacks on our Jewish allies, Jews, or Judaism; nor denying the Holocaust; nor allying in any way shape or form with any conspiracy theories, far-right, orientalist, and racist arguments, associations and entities.”
Gilad Atzmon, I refer you to the US Palestinian ... (show quote)


Why is it that none of the Palestinians who signed the letter against Atzmon actually reside in occupied Palestine? Most of those who signed the letter are employed in academia in the U.S. It's not difficult to figure out who signs their paychecks.
Here is Atzmon's reply to the letter:

"Ali Abunimah & Co tend to present themselves as advocates of “One Democratic State in Palestine.” This leaves me puzzled: what kind of democracy do they have in mind, exactly? For by calling for my “disavowal,” they prove beyond a doubt that they cannot tolerate even some elementary cultural criticism—criticism that is endorsed and praised by some of the most respected thinkers within our movement and beyond.

In fact, I am pretty delighted with the outraged reactions to my thoughts. I guess it enables us to map the discourse and its boundaries—and means that those boundaries are now official. Not only has my latest book, The Wandering Who?, rocked the boat, but it also has managed to unite Alan Dershowitz and Abe Foxman with Ali Abunimah and Max Blumenthal. That is pretty encouraging: it means that peace may prevail after all."

Scroll down to read more: http://www.wrmea.org/action-alert-archives/to-disavow-or-debate-gilad-atzmon.html

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May 18, 2016 09:35:57   #
payne1000
 
whole2th wrote:
What is your previous identity here at OPP, "Pisher"?

That your first post here was so long reminds me of Pennylynn.


Pisher also reminds me of pennylynn.
pennylynn was the queen of plagiarism until I started exposing her dishonesty.
The insignificant and contemptible bed-wetter must have at least attended the same shill seminar as pennylynn.

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May 18, 2016 12:48:25   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
There is good and bad in all types of people.
It is the density that is the issue.
And clarifications of who is who.
Pisher wrote:
Good and bad Jews? Really do you think that they are any different than any other people? Do you somehow hold them to a different standard? That is like saying, I only like the good Hispanic or the good black, or the good German, or muslim.... how do you tell the difference? Have we gotten to the level that we see a name and automatically call the person good or bad based on the origin of their name? Going further, because being a Jew is not necessarily a race, but is also a religion do you think that they all believe exactly the same? How about looking at it in a simple light, there are Lutherans, Episcopalians, Jehovah Witness, Baptist (which also have several splinters), 7th Day Advantage, Catholics and a host of other "Christians." Can you say which are fake? Does it matter where they were born or the color of their skin? Which of these are "Biblical Christians?" If they are not "Biblical Christians" are they still just as noble or holy as the ancient ones? Or are the modern day Christians somehow better or worse? Are there not variations in cluture and practice? As I have tried to show you, there are different "flavors" of Christians but they share a basic understanding, although some have fractured or became subcultures within a fractured group such as the Lutherans or Baptist. This happens in belief systems, when culture changes so do the customs of the people. Likewise when the political environment changes, religions adapts. For example the Pauline Christian adapted and adopted some Pagan customs (like using a cross as their symbol of belief, Christmas Trees, Easter Eggs and so on) and at the same time evangelist adopted African customs and interlaced them with their ceremonies.

So too have the Jewish faith evolved, there is not just one religion called Judaism. There are Orthodox Judaism, Reform Judaism, Conservative Judaism, Hasidic Judaism, and Kabbalah. At the core, they share a belief in a singular God. But, just like Christianity, things get interesting. I recommend a quick google on the "types" for a better understanding.

Another similarity that Christianity and Judaism share is the concept of "converts." As one can be "saved" and join a church, one can "study" and become a Jew. Therefore just as a Christian Church has a mosaic of colors and heritage, so do synagogues. No one who wishes to worship is turned away in either Christianity or Judaism.

Ashkenazic Jews are the Jews of France, Germany, and Eastern Europe and their descendants. The adjective "Ashkenazic" and corresponding nouns, Ashkenazi (singular) and Ashkenazim (plural) are derived from the Hebrew word "Ashkenaz," which is used to refer to Germany. Most American Jews today are Ashkenazim, descended from Jews who emigrated from Germany and Eastern Europe from the mid 1800s to the early 1900s.

Sephardic Jews are the Jews of Spain, Portugal, North Africa and the Middle East and their descendants. The adjective "Sephardic" and corresponding nouns Sephardi (singular) and Sephardim (plural) are derived from the Hebrew word "Sepharad," which refers to Spain.

Sephardic Jews are often subdivided into Sephardim, from Spain and Portugal, and Mizrachim, from the Northern Africa and the Middle East. The word "Mizrachi" comes from the Hebrew word for Eastern. There is much overlap between the Sephardim and Mizrachim. Until the 1400s, the Iberian Peninsula, North Africa and the Middle East were all controlled by Muslims, who allowed most people to move freely throughout the region. It was under this rule that Sephardic Judaism developed. When the Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492, many of them were absorbed into existing Mizrachi communities in Northern Africa and the Middle East.

Most of the early Jewish settlers of North America were Sephardic. The first Jewish congregation in North America, Shearith Israel, founded in what is now New York in 1684, was Sephardic and is still active. Philadelphia's first Jewish congregation, Congregation Mikveh Israel, founded in 1740, was also a Sephardic one, and is also still active.

In Israel, a little more than half of all Jews are Mizrachim, descended from Jews who have been in the land since ancient times or who were forced out of Arab countries after Israel was founded. Most of the rest are Ashkenazic, descended from Jews who came to the Holy Land (then controlled by the Ottoman Turks) instead of the United States in the late 1800s, or from Holocaust survivors, or from other immigrants who came at various times. About 1% of the Israeli population are the black Ethiopian Jews who fled during the brutal Ethiopian famine in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

And there is other Jews; Yemenite Jews, Ethiopian Jews (also known as Beta Israel and sometimes called Falashas), and Asian Jews also have some distinct customs and traditions.

Regardless of where the Jew came from, they are a collection of INDIVIDUALS and should be seen as individuals, judged on their individual actions.

Revelations... No other New Testament book reads like Revelation. The book virtually drips with blood and reeks of sulfur. At the center of this final battle between good and evil is an action-hero-like Jesus, who is in no mood to turn the other cheek. This book (and believe it or not, there were other books of this nature which did not make it into the "Bible" or Cannon) can scare the stuffing out of children, I know for a fact because as a kid it gave me nightmares! Evangelic preachers say that the "Fake Jew" are the European Jew. But, they also believed in the 1950s that rock n roll was designed by the devil, that providing medical care (not all of the evangelical groups) is wrong and goes against God. Some believe that to show your belief one must handle poisonous snake (you could never get me to do that!). Other religions think that fake Jews are those who look Jewish, smell Jewish, but in their heart they do not believe as a Jew, just like fake Christians. Many claim to be Christians but spend their time judging others, would not cross the street to help their neighbor, who sleeps around among other things.... Jews are guilty of the same appetites. People are people, Israel just happens to be a unique group of individuals who are a minority of the entire world, who has the respect of some and the scorn of most.

One last thing: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National-Socialist German Workers' Party; NSDAP). The shorthand Nazi was formed from the first two syllables of the German pronunciation of the word "national" (IPA: [na-tsi̯-o-ˈnaːl]).
Good and bad Jews? Really do you think that they ... (show quote)

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May 18, 2016 12:50:49   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
I tink you are on to something payne!
payne1000 wrote:
Pisher also reminds me of pennylynn.
pennylynn was the queen of plagiarism until I started exposing her dishonesty.
The insignificant and contemptible bed-wetter must have at least attended the same shill seminar as pennylynn.

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May 18, 2016 12:55:52   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
OUCH!!!!
Mighty fine research.
payne1000 wrote:
Pisher, I see you just registered on this forum today.
Most members of this forum know that when you cut-and-paste from authors other than yourself, it is proper to identify where your acquired your information.
Otherwise it appears you are taking credit for another author's work. That's commonly known as plagiarism. Here's your source: http://www.jewfaq.org/ashkseph.htm

Are you aware that "Pisher" is defined as someone who is insignificant or contemptible?
One hebrew definition even goes so far as to define a pisher as a bed-wetter.
Pisher, I see you just registered on this forum to... (show quote)

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May 18, 2016 17:08:58   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Good lists to archive for future research. Thanks.

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May 18, 2016 17:55:06   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
Pisher wrote:
Good and bad Jews? Really do you think that they are any different than any other people? Do you somehow hold them to a different standard? That is like saying, I only like the good Hispanic or the good black, or the good German, or muslim.... how do you tell the difference? Have we gotten to the level that we see a name and automatically call the person good or bad based on the origin of their name? Going further, because being a Jew is not necessarily a race, but is also a religion do you think that they all believe exactly the same? How about looking at it in a simple light, there are Lutherans, Episcopalians, Jehovah Witness, Baptist (which also have several splinters), 7th Day Advantage, Catholics and a host of other "Christians." Can you say which are fake? Does it matter where they were born or the color of their skin? Which of these are "Biblical Christians?" If they are not "Biblical Christians" are they still just as noble or holy as the ancient ones? Or are the modern day Christians somehow better or worse? Are there not variations in cluture and practice? As I have tried to show you, there are different "flavors" of Christians but they share a basic understanding, although some have fractured or became subcultures within a fractured group such as the Lutherans or Baptist. This happens in belief systems, when culture changes so do the customs of the people. Likewise when the political environment changes, religions adapts. For example the Pauline Christian adapted and adopted some Pagan customs (like using a cross as their symbol of belief, Christmas Trees, Easter Eggs and so on) and at the same time evangelist adopted African customs and interlaced them with their ceremonies.

So too have the Jewish faith evolved, there is not just one religion called Judaism. There are Orthodox Judaism, Reform Judaism, Conservative Judaism, Hasidic Judaism, and Kabbalah. At the core, they share a belief in a singular God. But, just like Christianity, things get interesting. I recommend a quick google on the "types" for a better understanding.

Another similarity that Christianity and Judaism share is the concept of "converts." As one can be "saved" and join a church, one can "study" and become a Jew. Therefore just as a Christian Church has a mosaic of colors and heritage, so do synagogues. No one who wishes to worship is turned away in either Christianity or Judaism.

Ashkenazic Jews are the Jews of France, Germany, and Eastern Europe and their descendants. The adjective "Ashkenazic" and corresponding nouns, Ashkenazi (singular) and Ashkenazim (plural) are derived from the Hebrew word "Ashkenaz," which is used to refer to Germany. Most American Jews today are Ashkenazim, descended from Jews who emigrated from Germany and Eastern Europe from the mid 1800s to the early 1900s.

Sephardic Jews are the Jews of Spain, Portugal, North Africa and the Middle East and their descendants. The adjective "Sephardic" and corresponding nouns Sephardi (singular) and Sephardim (plural) are derived from the Hebrew word "Sepharad," which refers to Spain.

Sephardic Jews are often subdivided into Sephardim, from Spain and Portugal, and Mizrachim, from the Northern Africa and the Middle East. The word "Mizrachi" comes from the Hebrew word for Eastern. There is much overlap between the Sephardim and Mizrachim. Until the 1400s, the Iberian Peninsula, North Africa and the Middle East were all controlled by Muslims, who allowed most people to move freely throughout the region. It was under this rule that Sephardic Judaism developed. When the Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492, many of them were absorbed into existing Mizrachi communities in Northern Africa and the Middle East.

Most of the early Jewish settlers of North America were Sephardic. The first Jewish congregation in North America, Shearith Israel, founded in what is now New York in 1684, was Sephardic and is still active. Philadelphia's first Jewish congregation, Congregation Mikveh Israel, founded in 1740, was also a Sephardic one, and is also still active.

In Israel, a little more than half of all Jews are Mizrachim, descended from Jews who have been in the land since ancient times or who were forced out of Arab countries after Israel was founded. Most of the rest are Ashkenazic, descended from Jews who came to the Holy Land (then controlled by the Ottoman Turks) instead of the United States in the late 1800s, or from Holocaust survivors, or from other immigrants who came at various times. About 1% of the Israeli population are the black Ethiopian Jews who fled during the brutal Ethiopian famine in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

And there is other Jews; Yemenite Jews, Ethiopian Jews (also known as Beta Israel and sometimes called Falashas), and Asian Jews also have some distinct customs and traditions.

Regardless of where the Jew came from, they are a collection of INDIVIDUALS and should be seen as individuals, judged on their individual actions.

Revelations... No other New Testament book reads like Revelation. The book virtually drips with blood and reeks of sulfur. At the center of this final battle between good and evil is an action-hero-like Jesus, who is in no mood to turn the other cheek. This book (and believe it or not, there were other books of this nature which did not make it into the "Bible" or Cannon) can scare the stuffing out of children, I know for a fact because as a kid it gave me nightmares! Evangelic preachers say that the "Fake Jew" are the European Jew. But, they also believed in the 1950s that rock n roll was designed by the devil, that providing medical care (not all of the evangelical groups) is wrong and goes against God. Some believe that to show your belief one must handle poisonous snake (you could never get me to do that!). Other religions think that fake Jews are those who look Jewish, smell Jewish, but in their heart they do not believe as a Jew, just like fake Christians. Many claim to be Christians but spend their time judging others, would not cross the street to help their neighbor, who sleeps around among other things.... Jews are guilty of the same appetites. People are people, Israel just happens to be a unique group of individuals who are a minority of the entire world, who has the respect of some and the scorn of most.

One last thing: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National-Socialist German Workers' Party; NSDAP). The shorthand Nazi was formed from the first two syllables of the German pronunciation of the word "national" (IPA: [na-tsi̯-o-ˈnaːl]).
Good and bad Jews? Really do you think that they ... (show quote)


Regarding Christians:

It is important to realize that all who claim to be Christisn, may not actually be Christian.

There are certain divisions that have taken extremely small portions of the Bible, and structured an entire division around it. There are many interpretations of the Bible and some divisions use their own interpretation.

There is a central council comprised of biblical scholars who meet specifically to address these differences. They are the authority from which comes the universally accepted guidelines.

In the south for instsnce, it is common to see a stand alone church, not a member of a given organized division, with the name Christ or Christian in the name of the church. That does not mean that the church is or is not a Christian church. It is not difficult there to become a licensed minister. It only requires one to fill out an online from and pay a fee. No spevific education required, and no mandate to be ordained. That person then is allowed to found and open a church and name it, collect tithes and offerings, etc. That minister and church are not necessarily part of any Christian division. It should be said though that many of these churches do much good work in their communities. It is a very complicated issue. There are some well known divisions that do not meet the criteria of being Christian.

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May 18, 2016 21:56:12   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
I prefer non denominational churches. Not tied to doctrine. I have had pastors that are scholars in Hebrew and Greek. It allows better understanding of the original texts.

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May 19, 2016 02:30:50   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
eagleye13 wrote:
I prefer non denominational churches. Not tied to doctrine. I have had pastors that are scholars in Hebrew and Greek. It allows better understanding of the original texts.


Absolutely.

I used to teach comparative religion in Sunday School. It was quite eye opening once I started developing my lesson plans because it caused me to run down each question I came up with, and there were many.

I also taught a recovery course through Grace Fellowship, a Southern Baptist group. That was another eye opener.

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May 19, 2016 11:05:06   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Good to hear. I think good scholarship is hard to find, and IMO - a Pastor with the right heart is even more rare.
My favorite Pastor used to say; If it isn't done in love, it is not from God/Yahweh.
A principal many here would say I lack.
Maybe so; but there is a lot of misunderstanding.

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