fredlott63

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First let’s cover Micah 6:6 - 8. We will break each scripture into segments.

Wherewith shall I come before the Lord, and bow myself before the high God? Micah 6:6a

How do I come before God? When I come to church, what should I bring with me? Is God present in huge crowds? When anyone tells you God is here, read Matthew 24:26.

Shall I come before Him with burnt offerings, with calves of a year old? Micah 6:6b

Is God looking for something material? The answers to all questions is no. There is scripture that covers animal sacrifice. There is no scriptural background for pastors dancing on money.

Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams or ten thousand rivers of oil? Micah 6:7a

Do I give God more than I currently possess? Making thousand dollar vows of faith, and monthly paying on the vow? Is God present in a large crowd? Again the answer to both questions is no. The main one who benefits when you listen to a false prophet is the false prophet himself. You leave the church with bad ideas.

Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression; the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? Micah 6:7b

Do I offer to God my most prized possession; my firstborn child? After all, I realize that I am a sinner, but I want a relationship with God. Going to a church that doesn’t teach God’s word chapter by chapter and verse by verse will accomplish nothing. This is how God says He wants His word taught in Isaiah 28:10, chapter by chapter and verse by verse. Nothing is accomplished watching someone sing and dance.

He hath shewed thee O man what is good Micah 6:8a

He is showing you now

And what does the Lord require of thee, but to do justly - It is wrong to take money or property from strangers. Your intentions about what will be done with things that aren’t yours is a sin. Do good to whom good is due, but never look for a reason to do evil. 1 Peter 3:9 Just leave them alone. Don’t be an enabler.

And to love mercy - If we want God to forgive us, we must forgive others. We are all sinners but we are not all thieves and murderers. We should not look for transgression in anybody but ourselves. If we discover transgression in anyone else, we should do nothing. We have police for major sins and each of our conscience for minor sins. The bible is meant to be followed and not policed.

And to walk humbly with God - We should not point fingers. Don’t make bold assertions. Let your light so shine before men, that they see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

ContrarianGuy Loc: NorthWest Wisconsin

God, through the Holy Spirit, Its voice, face, and all Its creation, is with one and all as close as their heartbeat ... sees all, knows all ... every action, every thought, every motivation ...

Even though it is ever present, it does not impose on the individual Soul, but awaits each Soul to turn to him first ... for guidance, for protection, to receive Its sustenance when hungry and thirsty ... and that is how it should be ... Because God Loves each Soul more than anyone can comprehend ...

This is my personal perspective and understanding ...

susanblange Loc: USA

We are only required to forgive those who truly repent. If they repent, they are forgiven in the eyes of God. We are also not to take vengeance or hold a grudge. If we do not forgive God (for bad behavior and things said) then God cannot forgive us.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Give a specific verse where it says that we need to forgive GOD....and what holy day represents this...

susanblange Loc: USA

There is not a scripture that says that. Not all theology is expressly in the canonized Bible. God has taken on flesh and is subject to the flesh. We were all created in his image and likeness. God is a mental, 56 year old human being. He did not become holy until recently. We are to forgive God not for sin per se, but for imperfections. Nobody is perfect.

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

I'm Curious To Where He Found 'Forgive God' In Your Post Too

susanblange Loc: USA

There is iniquity in the Messiah's youth, mainly before his calling. Psalm 119:96. "I have seen an end of all perfection: but thy commandment is exceeding broad". We all need forgiveness. "God requires that which is past". Ecclesiastes 3:15. Repentance and atonement is a four step process. Remorse, confession, restitution, and most importantly change. The Messiah is not a hypocrite and he is not exempt from his own law. I am not talking about God in spirit form. I'm talking about the Messiah, who is God in the flesh, or God incarnate. He will be blamed for the sin of the world and will be executed. Isaiah 53:6. "...and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all". Isaiah 53:9. "And he made his grave with the wicked..." Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, begins at sundown on September 18th. We fast for 24 hours and pray for forgiveness of our sin and I would encourage everybody to observe it.

Rose42

Are you suggesting there was sin in Jesus when he was young? I don't understand what you're trying to say.

susanblange Loc: USA

An excellent response. I especially appreciate your last sentence.... which is very true.



I am not a Christian. I converted to Judaism about 35 years ago and I practice my own flavor which I call "Biblical Judaism". Scripture says we have all sinned. This includes the Messiah. If you define perfection as having never sinned, the Messiah is not perfect. But the Messiah has been perfect/holy for several years now. He fears the Lord and punishment/correction from him. There is a difference between righteousness and holiness, there is also a difference between sin and wickedness.

Rose42

I don't see anywhere in the Bible that says Christ wasn't perfect. Do you have a source?

I am not well versed in Judaism.

susanblange Loc: USA

Jesus was not the Messiah or the son of God, but he claimed to be equal to God. He is actually Lucifer, Satan's counterfeit messiah. His name was changed when he died and went to Heaven. Lucifer means "morning star" and that was who Jesus claimed to be. Revelation 22:16. Jesus has been kicked out of Heaven and reincarnated. Isaiah 14:12-17. "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!...For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God...I will ascend above the heights of the clouds: I will be like the most High..." Jesus tried to lead the children of Israel astray into idolatry and he is the modern day idol of Israel. The USA is the lost house of Israel, the ten-tribed northern kingdom and we are mainly a Christian nation although we actually have alot of gods. Jesus came for the wicked. The God of Israel is coming for the righteous.

Rose42

Whoa! You are getting that all from Rev 22:16? I have never heard that before. I urge you to read and study further as you are being led astray Jesus is the Son of God and the Messiah and that is foretold in the Old Testament. Examine Isaiah 14:12-17 further. Demonic forces are strong in the world and Satan can appear as an angel of light. Don't let him delude you.

susanblange Loc: USA

Satan is very clever and Jesus was the great deceiver. Adam the serpent is Jesus' spiritual father. In the book of Job, Satan is called "son of God". Adam was God's only son. The creation of Satan was a side effect of the creation of man and he was created as the antithesis of God. Jesus is called the "second Adam" in the NT. Christians believe Satan's lie in the Garden of Eden, you can sin against God and not keep his commandments, and you won't die. Ezekiel 13:22. "Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life".

Rose42

Susan,

Satan is not the antithesis of God. For him to be that he would have to be God's equal. He was cast out by God. He is in no way God's equal.

I urge you to meet with a pastor who knows the Bible and can help you with some of these concepts and passages you are confused with. Forums are good for exchanging information but nothing is better than a face to face meeting. At least get some Bible commentaries and read through them to get a better understanding.

None of us can do it alone.