Not about "ObamaCare ": The Republican party has no real issue with the Affordable Care Act other than it is a black mans signature accomplishment. There has been no significant work...

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

The Republican party has no real issue with the Affordable Care Act other than it is a black mans signature accomplishment. There has been no significant work done by the congress since 2008. The people with the money ( Koch bros et al ) are pulling the strings. They are determined to ensure that a black President is seen as a failure and will use any excuse or tactic to see this done.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Your reading is very poor, Koch Bros was never brought up, has zip to do with color and your a racist.

lpnmajor wrote:

The Republican party has no real issue with the Affordable Care Act other than it is a black mans signature accomplishment. There has been no significant work done by the congress since 2008. The people with the money ( Koch bros et al ) are pulling the strings. They are determined to ensure that a black President is seen as a failure and will use any excuse or tactic to see this done.

TroubleshooterTim Loc: People's Republic of Oregon

lpnmajor wrote:

The Republican party has no real issue with the Affordable Care Act other than it is a black mans signature accomplishment. There has been no significant work done by the congress since 2008. The people with the money ( Koch bros et al ) are pulling the strings. They are determined to ensure that a black President is seen as a failure and will use any excuse or tactic to see this done.

This post is inaccurate. Please take a minute of research for your own sake rather than just repeating talking points.
First there are a multitude of issues with PPACA that the Republicans have brought forward. Sen. Paul spent numerous hours detailing a host of issues. I'll repeat a previous posting here shortly.

No significant work by congress since 2008? I suppose you are saying the PPACA is not significant? (significantly destructive, yes). But, that was passed by a democratic controlled House and Senate with no time for anyone to have read it (it had to be passed so that we could see what was in it). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU

I agree that Congress (i.e. Senate) has not even considered many of the bills that have passed in the House. In the first four years of Obama's admin. there has been no budget.

TroubleshooterTim Loc: People's Republic of Oregon

Sorry this is a bit long, but here is a partial list of the big items that I have an issue with on the PPACA.

Navigators...Trained and certified, but ACA Navigators are not required to pass a background check. Some state run exchanges require them, but not all. The Republican Obstructionist argument comes from the liberal talking point, let's be objective in our exploration here, please. The ACA grants provided to many states was inadequate, as it was unevenly distributed. Red states were offered considerable less than blue states (based on population).
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323463704578495431991530040.html

Medical Records: Those who go thru exchanges are permitting all their medical records to be recorded into a Gov't database managed by those who are excluded from HIPPA. Sure, I understand, that is a pretty bold statement I made. but it is based on PPACA section 1104 which give HHS Secretary free reign to make the rules. And, she did. . .
http://www.anthem.com/provider/noapplication/f1/s0/t0/pw_e196648.pdf?refer=ahpprovider
Having to report medical information to the IRS is, in of it self, a HIPPA violation. But, it will be required.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-12-09.pdf
*note, this is the current form,

Health and Welfare home visits: Anyone who puts their children into the exchange could be subject to home visits to inspect the health and welfare of these children (no warrants needed). Each state, and many localities, have a Child Protective Services (or named something similar). A healthcare provider is already required, by law, to report suspected events of abuse. Many question the tactics used by many CPS's (but, that is an all different topic). A family shouldn't have to surrender their 4th amendment rights obtaining health care. Then, there's the issue of what is the acceptable standard (Manhattan is very different than Louisiana swamp). Wouldn't you agree this may be better handled locally than one-size-fits-all federal view?

MIECHV is authorized under the Social Security Act, Title V, Section 511 (42 USC 711), as amended by Section 2951 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Pub. L. No. 111-148).
http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title05/0511.htm

Massive Cancellation by Gov't mandate and insurers declining to participate in the exchanges:
There are a number of good sources on this one. AP story --> http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/05/29/AP-Many-Will-Have-Insurance-Cancelled-...

There is also massive indirect cancellations caused by PPACA. The impact has already been felt, by the companies offering plans less than what the Gov't has approved or provide the price point dictated as acceptable to participate. You can google any of these, they are all in the news.

California - Aetna, UnitedHealth, and Anthem Blue Cross are cancelling all subscribers in this state. Right now 58,000 have received notices and being forced to the exchange. There are more to come.

Missouri - The state's largest hospital system BJC Healthcare system (13 hospitals- and the states renowned St. Louis Children's hospital)will not be covered by the exchanges largest insurer. 79,000 people affected.

Connecticut - Aetna (the nations 3d largest insurer) is pulling out, cancelling policies. They just can't offer plans at the demanded price point for the higher service level.

Maryland - Aenta/Coventry are not offered on the exchanges, because they cannot meet the price point demanded to participate. So, No Subsidy for you 13,000 guys and gals.

South Carolina - Medical Mutual of Ohio decided to leave the state entirely in July due to Obamacares vast and quite complex new regulations. 28,000 ouch.

New York - Aenta pulling out of the exchanges there too. No subsidies.

New Jersey - again Aetna opting to not be in the exchange, 1.1 million no subsidies for you. Many are on Company plans, which may throw them to the exchanges.

Iowa - Wellmark Blue Cross/Blue Shield - the states largest insurer, who sells 86% of individual policies decided not to participate in the exchange--no subsidies, sorry.

I'm sorry it's such a long list, there's more...

Georgia - Only five insurers are participating in the exchanges. Many have decided not to participate.

Wisconsin - Two of the three largest insurers are opting out.

I could go on. In the immortal words of Bill Clinton "I feel your pain."

Subsidies: Isn't nice that the Gov't provides subsidies for people to purchase health insurance.
First the definition of subsidies, "Monetary assistance granted by a government to a person or group in support of an enterprise regarded as being in the public interest." http://www.thefreedictionary.com/subsidies
Following that Gov't only gets money is by collecting it from others (well since we having difficulty selling T bills they are printing money like crazy--Qualative Easing is another subject). So, yes, collecting money from some to distribute to others does sound like wealth redistribution. Some redistribution can be defended as in the "public interest". Oil & Farm subsidies have very in-depth reasoning defending them. Student loans are repaid- not a subsidy. Nor is the Veterans Admin. -- I'm a veteran and it is an earned benefit for having served. There are numerous subsidies in our daily life, does that mean that any/or all of them can be defended as "in the public interest"?

The Gov't does has new insurance programs: Medicare, Medicaid, SS disability, Worker's Comp. Now, there's a new one, where you will find such quotations as, "Section 1101(g) of the Act does not specify exactly how HHS should allocate funds for the purpose of this program."
This is a good read, check out the eligibility requirement.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2010-07-30/pdf/2010-18691.pdf

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

And so far they have spent 650 million of our tax dollars on this and it still doesn't work.

TroubleshooterTim wrote:

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oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

lpnmajor wrote:

The Republican party has no real issue with the Affordable Care Act other than it is a black mans signature accomplishment. There has been no significant work done by the congress since 2008. The people with the money ( Koch bros et al ) are pulling the strings. They are determined to ensure that a black President is seen as a failure and will use any excuse or tactic to see this done.

Why do you speak so unkindly about the Kochs and your kind never mention Soros and his money laundering agencies like MoveOn.org? I bet you have never heard of MoveOn.org or any of the Soros money laundering agencies.

TroubleshooterTim Loc: People's Republic of Oregon

bmac32 wrote:

And so far they have spent 650 million of our tax dollars on this and it still doesn't work.

650 million is just for the website! As Obama reminded us yesterday the ACA is so much more than just a website. The total dollars spent on ACA is currently unknown.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Had never heard of Koch until three years ago when the house was replumbed.

oldroy wrote:

Why do you speak so unkindly about the Kochs and your kind never mention Soros and his money laundering agencies like MoveOn.org? I bet you have never heard of MoveOn.org or any of the Soros money laundering agencies.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

bmac32 wrote:

Had never heard of Koch until three years ago when the house was replumbed.

Talking like these people do about the Kochs would bring on some knots to the head around these parts. They are considered pretty good people for all the jobs they provide and all the good works they do for the people around here.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

I searched for dirt on both Koch and Soros and find very little about the Koch brothers other than they build, make, distrubed and design. Could care less that they have made a name for themselves and are extremely well off, thought that was the idea.

oldroy wrote:

Talking like these people do about the Kochs would bring on some knots to the head around these parts. They are considered pretty good people for all the jobs they provide and all the good works they do for the people around here.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

bmac32 wrote:

I searched for dirt on both Koch and Soros and find very little about the Koch brothers other than they build, make, distrubed and design. Could care less that they have made a name for themselves and are extremely well off, thought that was the idea.

They are just some of those greedy corporatists according to our lefties but most of them don't feel that way about Soros.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Well I did both and Soros had about 250 on one site so it looks like George wins.

oldroy wrote:

They are just some of those greedy corporatists according to our lefties but most of them don't feel that way about Soros.

stan3186

bmac32 wrote:

I searched for dirt on both Koch and Soros and find very little about the Koch brothers other than they build, make, distrubed and design. Could care less that they have made a name for themselves and are extremely well off, thought that was the idea.

In the mind of a Libertard Racist, the very idea of someone being successful is in and of itself a bad thing. Most of the Obummer backers that get on these forums are on the Governments give away programs or working a Government job, but probably both. Someone who actually does something and is rewarded for their efforts are anti New America and an enemy of the "State".

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

It's a completely backwards way of thinging. Government will never provide the extras for the family, government will supply you with what they think you should have. Health care is a great place to start. A 60 year old woman does not need what a 25 year old needs but with Obama's plans you not only get it but are charged for it.

stan3186 wrote:

In the mind of a Libertard Racist, the very idea of someone being successful is in and of itself a bad thing. Most of the Obummer backers that get on these forums are on the Governments give away programs or working a Government job, but probably both. Someone who actually does something and is rewarded for their efforts are anti New America and an enemy of the "State".

AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi

lpnmajor wrote:

The Republican party has no real issue with the Affordable Care Act other than it is a black mans signature accomplishment. There has been no significant work done by the congress since 2008. The people with the money ( Koch bros et al ) are pulling the strings. They are determined to ensure that a black President is seen as a failure and will use any excuse or tactic to see this done.

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