TEXAS REFUSES TO ANSWER CRUZ QUESTION (Page 2): I believe what you said was "What the Supreme Court/Congress says is irrelevant if it contravenes the Constitution and in this case, it...

Loki Loc: Georgia

JW wrote:

I imagine trying to connect both of my posts is too big a stretch for you but give it a try.

I believe what you said was

"What the Supreme Court/Congress says is irrelevant if it contravenes the Constitution and in this case, it does. If either party wants to change the Constitution, it requires an amendment, not a ruling or a new law."

"Learn how this government is supposed to work before mouthing off about what's what and who understands what."

This has nothing to do wlth connecting the posts. Or the dots. The fact is you are a mouthy prick who got caught with his pants down. You are attempting to deflect because you realize that there is nowhere in the Constitution that defines natural born. So tell me, Einstein, if it is not in the Constitution just who the hell is supposed to define it? You?
What is a natural born citizen and where does the Constitution define it, loudmouth? Where is it? We are all waiting.
You should be more careful whom you insult. Be especially wary of people who know what they are talking about when you so obviously don't.

JW

Loki wrote:

I believe what you said was br br i "What t... (show quote)

The only mouthy prick is you. Like I said, connect the two posts and you will have your answer. I already said it is not defined in the Constitution. What is in the Constitution is the very clear distinction between a citizen and a natural born citizen, Article 2 I believe.

As for insults, dipshit, don't start it and it won't be a problem.

Loki Loc: Georgia

JW wrote:

The only mouthy prick is you. Like I said, connect the two posts and you will have your answer. I already said it is not defined in the Constitution. What is in the Constitution is the very clear distinction between a citizen and a natural born citizen, Article 2 I believe.

As for insults, dipshit, don't start it and it won't be a problem.

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

So where is the definition, dummy? You have already said it is not up to the Court or the Congress to read something into the Constitution that isn't there. So what is the definition, dumbass, where is the definition, and tell us, if you would be so kind, WHO DEFINED IT?

You just said the Constitution makes a clear distinction between citizen and natural born citizen. Where does it do so, and how does it distinguish between two statuses when it defines neither of them? Remember, you just said the Court and Congress can't "contravene" or read something into the Constitution that isn't there.

So where is it? Where's the beef? Where's the definition and who is responsible for it?

Homestead

Loki wrote:

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The constitution is not a dictionary.

You show me where the Constitution defines the word, "We," or "the" or "people."

The way our government is run, one could make the case that the words mean government and the people in the government.

So that The US is, the government, of the government, by the government for the government.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Homestead wrote:

The constitution is not a dictionary.

You show me where the Constitution defines the word, "We," or "the" or "people."

The way our government is run, one could make the case that the words mean government and the people in the government.

So that The US is, the government, of the government, by the government for the government.

I don't know what you are smoking, but I might like to try some. What are you talking about? JW says the Supreme Court and the Congress cannot "contravene" the Constitution. How do you contravene something that is not there? He claims that Cruz is not a natural born citizen, he claims that the Constitution specifies what constitutes a natural born citizen, he claims that Congress and the Court cannot supply a definition of natural born that is not in the Constitution. Where is the Constitutional definition that Congress and the Courts cannot contravene? He's the one who said I know nothing about the Constitution. It's only fair to find out how much he knows, or thinks he knows. The same applies to you.

Homestead

Loki wrote:

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First off...............................what is the constitution?

Ultimately, the Constitution is a contract and it was forged out of the body of law known as contract law.

Under contract law, where does one go, if there is a question of a term, phrase or condition within a contract?

Loki Loc: Georgia

Homestead wrote:

First off...............................what is the constitution?

Ultimately, the Constitution is a contract and it was forged out of the body of law known as contract law.

Under contract law, where does one go, if there is a question of a term, phrase or condition within a contract?

Your avatar is most appropriate. You want to stop pissing around and answer the question?

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Loki wrote:

Your avatar is most appropriate. You want to stop pissing around and answer the question?

What's the over and under on how many times he'll avoid answering the question?

Loki Loc: Georgia

Super Dave wrote:

What's the over and under on how many times he'll avoid answering the question?

Not touching that one.

Homestead

Loki wrote:

Your avatar is most appropriate. You want to stop pissing around and answer the question?

No, there's no pissing around.
The Constitution is a contract. It comes from the body of law known as contract law.

There are always conflicts in any contract and the procedures for resolving them are standard and well known, so what are they.
Specifically, there is a term in the contract that is under dispute.
What do you do?
Where do you look?

Loki Loc: Georgia

Homestead wrote:

No, there's no pissing around.
The Constitution is a contract. It comes from the body of law known as contract law.

There are always conflicts in any contract and the procedures for resolving them are standard and well known, so what are they.
Specifically, there is a term in the contract that is under dispute.
What do you do?
Where do you look?

More deflection. I asked JW where the Constitution defines natural born. He claimed that the congress and Courts cannot "contravene" something that is in the Constitution. Since he claims to know more about that document than I do, I asked him to prove it.
So, since you cannot answer the question, you change the subject. The procedure for resolving a contractual dispute usually involves the courts that JW has already said cannot contravene the Constitution. I merely asked what Constitutional definition of natural born cannot be contravened. Where is the definition? The one you claim from an 1874 Supreme Court case, or the one I claim from an 1898 case? How can a law contravene the Constitution when it addresses something the Constitution does not specify? No more bullshit. Answer the question or go play in traffic.

Homestead

Loki wrote:

More deflection. I asked JW where the Constitution... (show quote)

Natural-Born-Citizen is the term called out in the Constitution.
You claim that there is a question about the definition of the constitutional term.

Since the constitution is a contract, what is the law in resolving that conflict.
It's a very simple answer and but, I can see why your avoiding it.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Homestead wrote:

Natural-Born-Citizen is the term called out in the Constitution.
You claim that there is a question about the definition of the constitutional term.

Since the constitution is a contract, what is the law in resolving that conflict.
It's a very simple answer and but, I can see why your avoiding it.

So what is a natural born citizen? How are Supreme Court definitions and Legislative definitions un Constitutional? This is what JW is intimating. He claims there is a definition contained in the Constitution. There isn't. I called him on it. You claim one Supreme Court definition is the definitive description of natural born, and ignore other, later Court definitions that contradict your assertion. Then you avoid the question by changing the subject. Like I said, very appropriate avatar.

Homestead

Loki wrote:

So what is a natural born citizen? How are Supreme Court definitions and Legislative definitions un Constitutional? This is what JW is intimating. He claims there is a definition contained in the Constitution. There isn't. I called him on it. You claim one Supreme Court definition is the definitive description of natural born, and ignore other, later Court definitions that contradict your assertion. Then you avoid the question by changing the subject. Like I said, very appropriate avatar.

First of all the child does not tell the parent what to do. The Constitution is the Supreme law of the land, not the Supreme Court.

The Constitution is above the Supreme Court, the Supreme court cannot define any term in the constitution.
The only thing the Supreme Court can do is use the definition our forefathers knew it to be.

The only way to change anything in the Constitution is with an Article V Constitutional Amendment.
There has been no Article V Constitutional Amendment to change the definition of Natural-Born-Citizen.

The Constitution gave congress the authority to make uniform immigration and Naturalization laws and legislation.

Naturalization is for the foreign born to become US citizens.

A Natural-Born-Citizen is a citizen by the facts of his birth. No immigration or naturalization laws, legislation or acts of courts and congress are needed.

The very act of needing a determination by courts or congress means that you are dealing with a naturalized citizen.

By definition a Naturalized citizen cannot be a Natural-Born-Citizen.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Homestead wrote:

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Damn junior... When you're asked a question you can't answer just say so and stop making yourself look 10 times as foolish by pretending you could answer the question if you wanted to.