National ID's.. I'm forwarding this article for information only, I'm not convinced it's a totally bad idea what with people flooding our borders and many wanting to do us harm... I...

Don G. Dinsdale Loc: El Cajon, CA (San Diego County)

I'm forwarding this article for information only, I'm not convinced it's a totally bad idea what with people flooding our borders and many wanting to do us harm... I guess I'm not that concerned with authorities knowing I belong here in America, besides we've had State ID's forever and most couldn't wait till age 16 to get one, a driver licence, ha... And Social Security Numbers (they weren't supposed to be but are) have become a National ID number good for tracking... Don D.

Passports to Become National ID Cards?

Written by Charles Scaliger - March 15, 2016 - The New American

In the name of national security, we are dangerously close to having a national identity card, which will be required for all internal air travel (and, sooner or later, for other forms of travel as well). But its not federally issued drivers licenses, or even state-issued drivers licenses and IDs made to conform to federal standards. It will more likely be the passport, that expensive and cumbersome travel document required for travel to many destinations overseas prior to 9/11, and for all foreign travel, including to Canada and Mexico, since new cross-border security standards were set up in the last decade. Gone for Americans are the days of weekend fishing trips to Canada, family visits to both sides of Niagara Falls, or a day trip to Tijuana from San Diego unless you go to the time and considerable expense (now about $150 and several weeks of wait time) of obtaining a passport. Even little children must have passports for travel outside the United States, and these must be renewed every five years (rather than 10 years for adults). The new passport requirement has made casual travel to the Great White North for fishing or hunting a thing of the past for many lower-income Americans.

Now the federal government appears bent on making the possession of a passport a requirement for domestic air travel as well. For a number of years, the federal government has been trying to coerce the states into making all drivers licenses Real-ID compliant that is, in conformity with federally mandated standards of security that includes a long list of features mandated by the Real ID Act of 2005 and enforced with increasingly authoritarian enthusiasm by the Department of Homeland Security. The original year for all states to comply with Real ID was 2011, but it has since been moved forward repeatedly under pressure from state governments reluctant to tender unquestioning obedience to this latest federal edict. As of now, drivers licenses and state-issued IDs from all 50 states may continue to be used for domestic air travel until January 22, 2018, when air passengers from states whose drivers licenses are not yet Real-ID compliant will need to present a second form of photo ID to board domestic flights.

As of October 1, 2020, however, the federal government will require all IDs for boarding domestic flights to be either Real-ID compliant or a federally issued ID such as a passport.

As of early 2016, however, only 23 states and territories are Real-ID compliant, while five of the remaining states are noncompliant (i.e., in open defiance of the Real ID Act). Many of the remaining 28, having been granted extensions, will probably not make the 2020 deadline, presenting the very real prospect that millions of Americans will no longer be able to fly at all unless they procure an ID card issued by the federal government, which for most of us, means a passport.

Not only that, the IRS now has statutory authority to revoke the passports of Americans owing the government more than $50,000 in delinquent taxes (a suspicious coincidence in timing, as a recent Forbes article by Robert W. Wood pointed out). That, at least, is the current standard, although we can expect the threshold to be lowered as the grasping hand of government reaches ever more desperately for our earnings to stave off its own fiscal implosion. It is not at all a stretch to imagine a future IRS empowered to confiscate the passports of Americans owing $10,000 in back taxes, or even less.

At the same time, even as the Department of Homeland Security expands its jurisdiction from airports to major bus and train stations, and even checkpoints along major interstates, it is easy to envisage the passport or some other equivalent federal ID become a requirement for all forms of internal travel. Of course, a $150 passport is an onerous cost for many Americans, so expect the federal government, in feigned benevolence, to offer a more cost-effective alternative a federal ID for the purposes of domestic travel, to satisfy the diktats of the Department of Homeland Security.

All indications are that a national ID for domestic travel is now planned, and that before too many years, the legal landscape of the United States of America will be little different from that of many a foreign dictatorship present or past, namely, the unfettered freedom of movement will be negated by a stifling network of checkpoints designed to monitor movement by land, sea, and air, and carrying a national ID card or internal passport at all times will become mandatory.

As it is, most of the legal architecture and precedent for such a regime is already in place: The Department of Homeland Security has been pursuing and refining its agenda for a decade with scarcely a peep of dissent in Washington, and random checkpoints ostensibly for illegal immigrants, seatbelt use, or drunk driving are a fact of life in the new normal.

All this in combination with the IRS newfound power to revoke the only ID that, in a few years, will give most Americans access to air travel, points to a fairly bleak state of affairs in which travel even to the next town will become a de jure privilege granted by the federal government, not a right. And all of this will be delivered in the name of homeland security, the pretext for much of the terrifying expansion of federal government power now underway in the Land of the Free.

plainlogic

Yes, the beat goes on doesn't it!

The government and the shakers and movers continue to morph into the ideological venue they've been moving to for decades. People are sheep and will follow, with coaching of course, but will fall in line anyway.

We are watching the moves of how the political parties are pushing this Nation, oddly enough though, the voting public has become too engrossed in their lives to be aware of the slow dissemination of what was this Nation.

Who knows what this Nation or what this Nation will morph into or mirror.

EL Loc: Massachusetts

Don G. Dinsdale wrote:

I'm forwarding this article for information only, I'm not convinced it's a totally bad idea what with people flooding our borders and many wanting to do us harm... I guess I'm not that concerned with authorities knowing I belong here in America, besides we've had State ID's forever and most couldn't wait till age 16 to get one, a driver licence, ha... And Social Security Numbers (they weren't supposed to be but are) have become a National ID number good for tracking... Don D.

Passports to Become National ID Cards?

Written by Charles Scaliger - March 15, 2016 - The New American

In the name of national security, we are dangerously close to having a national identity card, which will be required for all internal air travel (and, sooner or later, for other forms of travel as well). But its not federally issued drivers licenses, or even state-issued drivers licenses and IDs made to conform to federal standards. It will more likely be the passport, that expensive and cumbersome travel document required for travel to many destinations overseas prior to 9/11, and for all foreign travel, including to Canada and Mexico, since new cross-border security standards were set up in the last decade. Gone for Americans are the days of weekend fishing trips to Canada, family visits to both sides of Niagara Falls, or a day trip to Tijuana from San Diego unless you go to the time and considerable expense (now about $150 and several weeks of wait time) of obtaining a passport. Even little children must have passports for travel outside the United States, and these must be renewed every five years (rather than 10 years for adults). The new passport requirement has made casual travel to the Great White North for fishing or hunting a thing of the past for many lower-income Americans.

Now the federal government appears bent on making the possession of a passport a requirement for domestic air travel as well. For a number of years, the federal government has been trying to coerce the states into making all drivers licenses Real-ID compliant that is, in conformity with federally mandated standards of security that includes a long list of features mandated by the Real ID Act of 2005 and enforced with increasingly authoritarian enthusiasm by the Department of Homeland Security. The original year for all states to comply with Real ID was 2011, but it has since been moved forward repeatedly under pressure from state governments reluctant to tender unquestioning obedience to this latest federal edict. As of now, drivers licenses and state-issued IDs from all 50 states may continue to be used for domestic air travel until January 22, 2018, when air passengers from states whose drivers licenses are not yet Real-ID compliant will need to present a second form of photo ID to board domestic flights.

As of October 1, 2020, however, the federal government will require all IDs for boarding domestic flights to be either Real-ID compliant or a federally issued ID such as a passport.

As of early 2016, however, only 23 states and territories are Real-ID compliant, while five of the remaining states are noncompliant (i.e., in open defiance of the Real ID Act). Many of the remaining 28, having been granted extensions, will probably not make the 2020 deadline, presenting the very real prospect that millions of Americans will no longer be able to fly at all unless they procure an ID card issued by the federal government, which for most of us, means a passport.

Not only that, the IRS now has statutory authority to revoke the passports of Americans owing the government more than $50,000 in delinquent taxes (a suspicious coincidence in timing, as a recent Forbes article by Robert W. Wood pointed out). That, at least, is the current standard, although we can expect the threshold to be lowered as the grasping hand of government reaches ever more desperately for our earnings to stave off its own fiscal implosion. It is not at all a stretch to imagine a future IRS empowered to confiscate the passports of Americans owing $10,000 in back taxes, or even less.

At the same time, even as the Department of Homeland Security expands its jurisdiction from airports to major bus and train stations, and even checkpoints along major interstates, it is easy to envisage the passport or some other equivalent federal ID become a requirement for all forms of internal travel. Of course, a $150 passport is an onerous cost for many Americans, so expect the federal government, in feigned benevolence, to offer a more cost-effective alternative a federal ID for the purposes of domestic travel, to satisfy the diktats of the Department of Homeland Security.

All indications are that a national ID for domestic travel is now planned, and that before too many years, the legal landscape of the United States of America will be little different from that of many a foreign dictatorship present or past, namely, the unfettered freedom of movement will be negated by a stifling network of checkpoints designed to monitor movement by land, sea, and air, and carrying a national ID card or internal passport at all times will become mandatory.

As it is, most of the legal architecture and precedent for such a regime is already in place: The Department of Homeland Security has been pursuing and refining its agenda for a decade with scarcely a peep of dissent in Washington, and random checkpoints ostensibly for illegal immigrants, seatbelt use, or drunk driving are a fact of life in the new normal.

All this in combination with the IRS newfound power to revoke the only ID that, in a few years, will give most Americans access to air travel, points to a fairly bleak state of affairs in which travel even to the next town will become a de jure privilege granted by the federal government, not a right. And all of this will be delivered in the name of homeland security, the pretext for much of the terrifying expansion of federal government power now underway in the Land of the Free.

I'm forwarding this article for information only, ... (show quote)

Land of the FREE in many ways has now become a joke.

DamnYANKEE

Don G. Dinsdale wrote:

I'm forwarding this article for information only, I'm not convinced it's a totally bad idea what with people flooding our borders and many wanting to do us harm... I guess I'm not that concerned with authorities knowing I belong here in America, besides we've had State ID's forever and most couldn't wait till age 16 to get one, a driver licence, ha... And Social Security Numbers (they weren't supposed to be but are) have become a National ID number good for tracking... Don D.

Passports to Become National ID Cards?

Written by Charles Scaliger - March 15, 2016 - The New American

In the name of national security, we are dangerously close to having a national identity card, which will be required for all internal air travel (and, sooner or later, for other forms of travel as well). But its not federally issued drivers licenses, or even state-issued drivers licenses and IDs made to conform to federal standards. It will more likely be the passport, that expensive and cumbersome travel document required for travel to many destinations overseas prior to 9/11, and for all foreign travel, including to Canada and Mexico, since new cross-border security standards were set up in the last decade. Gone for Americans are the days of weekend fishing trips to Canada, family visits to both sides of Niagara Falls, or a day trip to Tijuana from San Diego unless you go to the time and considerable expense (now about $150 and several weeks of wait time) of obtaining a passport. Even little children must have passports for travel outside the United States, and these must be renewed every five years (rather than 10 years for adults). The new passport requirement has made casual travel to the Great White North for fishing or hunting a thing of the past for many lower-income Americans.

Now the federal government appears bent on making the possession of a passport a requirement for domestic air travel as well. For a number of years, the federal government has been trying to coerce the states into making all drivers licenses Real-ID compliant that is, in conformity with federally mandated standards of security that includes a long list of features mandated by the Real ID Act of 2005 and enforced with increasingly authoritarian enthusiasm by the Department of Homeland Security. The original year for all states to comply with Real ID was 2011, but it has since been moved forward repeatedly under pressure from state governments reluctant to tender unquestioning obedience to this latest federal edict. As of now, drivers licenses and state-issued IDs from all 50 states may continue to be used for domestic air travel until January 22, 2018, when air passengers from states whose drivers licenses are not yet Real-ID compliant will need to present a second form of photo ID to board domestic flights.

As of October 1, 2020, however, the federal government will require all IDs for boarding domestic flights to be either Real-ID compliant or a federally issued ID such as a passport.

As of early 2016, however, only 23 states and territories are Real-ID compliant, while five of the remaining states are noncompliant (i.e., in open defiance of the Real ID Act). Many of the remaining 28, having been granted extensions, will probably not make the 2020 deadline, presenting the very real prospect that millions of Americans will no longer be able to fly at all unless they procure an ID card issued by the federal government, which for most of us, means a passport.

Not only that, the IRS now has statutory authority to revoke the passports of Americans owing the government more than $50,000 in delinquent taxes (a suspicious coincidence in timing, as a recent Forbes article by Robert W. Wood pointed out). That, at least, is the current standard, although we can expect the threshold to be lowered as the grasping hand of government reaches ever more desperately for our earnings to stave off its own fiscal implosion. It is not at all a stretch to imagine a future IRS empowered to confiscate the passports of Americans owing $10,000 in back taxes, or even less.

At the same time, even as the Department of Homeland Security expands its jurisdiction from airports to major bus and train stations, and even checkpoints along major interstates, it is easy to envisage the passport or some other equivalent federal ID become a requirement for all forms of internal travel. Of course, a $150 passport is an onerous cost for many Americans, so expect the federal government, in feigned benevolence, to offer a more cost-effective alternative a federal ID for the purposes of domestic travel, to satisfy the diktats of the Department of Homeland Security.

All indications are that a national ID for domestic travel is now planned, and that before too many years, the legal landscape of the United States of America will be little different from that of many a foreign dictatorship present or past, namely, the unfettered freedom of movement will be negated by a stifling network of checkpoints designed to monitor movement by land, sea, and air, and carrying a national ID card or internal passport at all times will become mandatory.

As it is, most of the legal architecture and precedent for such a regime is already in place: The Department of Homeland Security has been pursuing and refining its agenda for a decade with scarcely a peep of dissent in Washington, and random checkpoints ostensibly for illegal immigrants, seatbelt use, or drunk driving are a fact of life in the new normal.

All this in combination with the IRS newfound power to revoke the only ID that, in a few years, will give most Americans access to air travel, points to a fairly bleak state of affairs in which travel even to the next town will become a de jure privilege granted by the federal government, not a right. And all of this will be delivered in the name of homeland security, the pretext for much of the terrifying expansion of federal government power now underway in the Land of the Free.

I'm forwarding this article for information only, ... (show quote)

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Good Post Don

DamnYANKEE

EL wrote:

Land of the FREE in many ways has now become a joke.

Yah . Free from What

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Don G. Dinsdale wrote:

I'm forwarding this article for information only, I'm not convinced it's a totally bad idea what with people flooding our borders and many wanting to do us harm... I guess I'm not that concerned with authorities knowing I belong here in America, besides we've had State ID's forever and most couldn't wait till age 16 to get one, a driver licence, ha... And Social Security Numbers (they weren't supposed to be but are) have become a National ID number good for tracking... Don D.

Passports to Become National ID Cards?

Written by Charles Scaliger - March 15, 2016 - The New American

In the name of national security, we are dangerously close to having a national identity card, which will be required for all internal air travel (and, sooner or later, for other forms of travel as well). But its not federally issued drivers licenses, or even state-issued drivers licenses and IDs made to conform to federal standards. It will more likely be the passport, that expensive and cumbersome travel document required for travel to many destinations overseas prior to 9/11, and for all foreign travel, including to Canada and Mexico, since new cross-border security standards were set up in the last decade. Gone for Americans are the days of weekend fishing trips to Canada, family visits to both sides of Niagara Falls, or a day trip to Tijuana from San Diego unless you go to the time and considerable expense (now about $150 and several weeks of wait time) of obtaining a passport. Even little children must have passports for travel outside the United States, and these must be renewed every five years (rather than 10 years for adults). The new passport requirement has made casual travel to the Great White North for fishing or hunting a thing of the past for many lower-income Americans.

Now the federal government appears bent on making the possession of a passport a requirement for domestic air travel as well. For a number of years, the federal government has been trying to coerce the states into making all drivers licenses Real-ID compliant that is, in conformity with federally mandated standards of security that includes a long list of features mandated by the Real ID Act of 2005 and enforced with increasingly authoritarian enthusiasm by the Department of Homeland Security. The original year for all states to comply with Real ID was 2011, but it has since been moved forward repeatedly under pressure from state governments reluctant to tender unquestioning obedience to this latest federal edict. As of now, drivers licenses and state-issued IDs from all 50 states may continue to be used for domestic air travel until January 22, 2018, when air passengers from states whose drivers licenses are not yet Real-ID compliant will need to present a second form of photo ID to board domestic flights.

As of October 1, 2020, however, the federal government will require all IDs for boarding domestic flights to be either Real-ID compliant or a federally issued ID such as a passport.

As of early 2016, however, only 23 states and territories are Real-ID compliant, while five of the remaining states are noncompliant (i.e., in open defiance of the Real ID Act). Many of the remaining 28, having been granted extensions, will probably not make the 2020 deadline, presenting the very real prospect that millions of Americans will no longer be able to fly at all unless they procure an ID card issued by the federal government, which for most of us, means a passport.

Not only that, the IRS now has statutory authority to revoke the passports of Americans owing the government more than $50,000 in delinquent taxes (a suspicious coincidence in timing, as a recent Forbes article by Robert W. Wood pointed out). That, at least, is the current standard, although we can expect the threshold to be lowered as the grasping hand of government reaches ever more desperately for our earnings to stave off its own fiscal implosion. It is not at all a stretch to imagine a future IRS empowered to confiscate the passports of Americans owing $10,000 in back taxes, or even less.

At the same time, even as the Department of Homeland Security expands its jurisdiction from airports to major bus and train stations, and even checkpoints along major interstates, it is easy to envisage the passport or some other equivalent federal ID become a requirement for all forms of internal travel. Of course, a $150 passport is an onerous cost for many Americans, so expect the federal government, in feigned benevolence, to offer a more cost-effective alternative a federal ID for the purposes of domestic travel, to satisfy the diktats of the Department of Homeland Security.

All indications are that a national ID for domestic travel is now planned, and that before too many years, the legal landscape of the United States of America will be little different from that of many a foreign dictatorship present or past, namely, the unfettered freedom of movement will be negated by a stifling network of checkpoints designed to monitor movement by land, sea, and air, and carrying a national ID card or internal passport at all times will become mandatory.

As it is, most of the legal architecture and precedent for such a regime is already in place: The Department of Homeland Security has been pursuing and refining its agenda for a decade with scarcely a peep of dissent in Washington, and random checkpoints ostensibly for illegal immigrants, seatbelt use, or drunk driving are a fact of life in the new normal.

All this in combination with the IRS newfound power to revoke the only ID that, in a few years, will give most Americans access to air travel, points to a fairly bleak state of affairs in which travel even to the next town will become a de jure privilege granted by the federal government, not a right. And all of this will be delivered in the name of homeland security, the pretext for much of the terrifying expansion of federal government power now underway in the Land of the Free.

I'm forwarding this article for information only, ... (show quote)

With out ID of some kind, how are we to know who is a citizen and who isn't? Our honor system is defunct and over run by those who take advantage of it. Basically, it doesn't work.

PeterS

Don G. Dinsdale wrote:

I'm forwarding this article for information only, ... (show quote)

It never ceased to amaze how readily people will give up their freedom simply for the temporary feeling of security.

What was it Franklin said: "People who will give up their freedom for security deserve neither!" Truer words were never spoken and what is really amazing is that it's conservatives who are rushing to the head of the line to get their tattoos. It gives being number one a whole new meaning...

plainlogic

The laws are on the books now. The problem is the enforcement. So, to move the agenda in position, they will make new laws, like the home land society and adjust accordingly to do what they do.

Mirror it self to other nations for the one world order that was started. Of course for those that can't or refuse to look at the direction this nation has been going are lost.

The ones to benefit of all this, will be the young who will have been changed by the education system and will never know the real past heritage.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

PeterS wrote:

It never ceased to amaze how readily people will give up their freedom simply for the temporary feeling of security.

What was it Franklin said: "People who will give up their freedom for security deserve neither!" Truer words were never spoken and what is really amazing is that it's conservatives who are rushing to the head of the line to get their tattoos. It gives being number one a whole new meaning...

I'M GOING TO HAVE THE BIG ONE! That's two times in one week that I've agreed with you.

You should read "your" bible about those tattoos Pete.

Don G. Dinsdale Loc: El Cajon, CA (San Diego County)

Careful, you'll end up with Fred Sandford...

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mwdegutis wrote:

I'M GOING TO HAVE THE BIG ONE! That's two times in one week that I've agreed with you.

You should read "your" bible about those tattoos Pete.

plainlogic

Or they maybe rushing to the head of the line to get the tattoos removed.

Everyone has their own views of how they use or enjoy their freedoms.
as we see the Homeland security act. They have to remember, once they relinquish that particular freedom, IT'S GONE!

Many who don't appreciate the freedom because they feel they have never been affected by it, so, they wave it off Different reason why people would be apathetic about it.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Don G. Dinsdale wrote:

I'm forwarding this article for information only, I'm not convinced it's a totally bad idea what with people flooding our borders and many wanting to do us harm... I guess I'm not that concerned with authorities knowing I belong here in America, besides we've had State ID's forever and most couldn't wait till age 16 to get one, a driver licence, ha... And Social Security Numbers (they weren't supposed to be but are) have become a National ID number good for tracking... Don D.

Passports to Become National ID Cards?

Written by Charles Scaliger - March 15, 2016 - The New American

In the name of national security, we are dangerously close to having a national identity card, which will be required for all internal air travel (and, sooner or later, for other forms of travel as well). But its not federally issued drivers licenses, or even state-issued drivers licenses and IDs made to conform to federal standards. It will more likely be the passport, that expensive and cumbersome travel document required for travel to many destinations overseas prior to 9/11, and for all foreign travel, including to Canada and Mexico, since new cross-border security standards were set up in the last decade. Gone for Americans are the days of weekend fishing trips to Canada, family visits to both sides of Niagara Falls, or a day trip to Tijuana from San Diego unless you go to the time and considerable expense (now about $150 and several weeks of wait time) of obtaining a passport. Even little children must have passports for travel outside the United States, and these must be renewed every five years (rather than 10 years for adults). The new passport requirement has made casual travel to the Great White North for fishing or hunting a thing of the past for many lower-income Americans.

Now the federal government appears bent on making the possession of a passport a requirement for domestic air travel as well. For a number of years, the federal government has been trying to coerce the states into making all drivers licenses Real-ID compliant that is, in conformity with federally mandated standards of security that includes a long list of features mandated by the Real ID Act of 2005 and enforced with increasingly authoritarian enthusiasm by the Department of Homeland Security. The original year for all states to comply with Real ID was 2011, but it has since been moved forward repeatedly under pressure from state governments reluctant to tender unquestioning obedience to this latest federal edict. As of now, drivers licenses and state-issued IDs from all 50 states may continue to be used for domestic air travel until January 22, 2018, when air passengers from states whose drivers licenses are not yet Real-ID compliant will need to present a second form of photo ID to board domestic flights.

As of October 1, 2020, however, the federal government will require all IDs for boarding domestic flights to be either Real-ID compliant or a federally issued ID such as a passport.

As of early 2016, however, only 23 states and territories are Real-ID compliant, while five of the remaining states are noncompliant (i.e., in open defiance of the Real ID Act). Many of the remaining 28, having been granted extensions, will probably not make the 2020 deadline, presenting the very real prospect that millions of Americans will no longer be able to fly at all unless they procure an ID card issued by the federal government, which for most of us, means a passport.

Not only that, the IRS now has statutory authority to revoke the passports of Americans owing the government more than $50,000 in delinquent taxes (a suspicious coincidence in timing, as a recent Forbes article by Robert W. Wood pointed out). That, at least, is the current standard, although we can expect the threshold to be lowered as the grasping hand of government reaches ever more desperately for our earnings to stave off its own fiscal implosion. It is not at all a stretch to imagine a future IRS empowered to confiscate the passports of Americans owing $10,000 in back taxes, or even less.

At the same time, even as the Department of Homeland Security expands its jurisdiction from airports to major bus and train stations, and even checkpoints along major interstates, it is easy to envisage the passport or some other equivalent federal ID become a requirement for all forms of internal travel. Of course, a $150 passport is an onerous cost for many Americans, so expect the federal government, in feigned benevolence, to offer a more cost-effective alternative a federal ID for the purposes of domestic travel, to satisfy the diktats of the Department of Homeland Security.

All indications are that a national ID for domestic travel is now planned, and that before too many years, the legal landscape of the United States of America will be little different from that of many a foreign dictatorship present or past, namely, the unfettered freedom of movement will be negated by a stifling network of checkpoints designed to monitor movement by land, sea, and air, and carrying a national ID card or internal passport at all times will become mandatory.

As it is, most of the legal architecture and precedent for such a regime is already in place: The Department of Homeland Security has been pursuing and refining its agenda for a decade with scarcely a peep of dissent in Washington, and random checkpoints ostensibly for illegal immigrants, seatbelt use, or drunk driving are a fact of life in the new normal.

All this in combination with the IRS newfound power to revoke the only ID that, in a few years, will give most Americans access to air travel, points to a fairly bleak state of affairs in which travel even to the next town will become a de jure privilege granted by the federal government, not a right. And all of this will be delivered in the name of homeland security, the pretext for much of the terrifying expansion of federal government power now underway in the Land of the Free.

I'm forwarding this article for information only, ... (show quote)

Huh. I remember reading about some sh*t like that happening in Europe - during WWII. The dreaded "papers please", from the mouths of the Gestapo, caused more than a few soiled skivvies back then.

Personally, I think that State agencies that process claims for food stamps, SS benefits and Medicaid, should be required to report non citizens to ICE, local police should be required to hold them, and be done with it. Perhaps adding prison time instead of fines, for employers that hire them and real estate owners that rent or sell homes to them, as well as motel/hotel owners, would also cut down on the desirability of coming here.

I also don't have a problem showing ID at Burger King. If these people can't eat, find a place to live, or get any other kind of support - they'll go away or not show up in the first place.

PeterS

mwdegutis wrote:

I'M GOING TO HAVE THE BIG ONE! That's two times in one week that I've agreed with you.

You should read "your" bible about those tattoos Pete.

How about I just read my history book instead...

grumpymarine Loc: Florida

PeterS wrote:

How about I just read my history book instead...

Big difference between the two. I used to think like you, but then I aged fifty years.

Don G. Dinsdale Loc: El Cajon, CA (San Diego County)

I guess I wasn't clear we already have ID's just State issued, except for the now National ID Number (Soc.Sec.)... Don D.

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lpnmajor wrote:

Huh. I remember reading about some sh*t like that ... (show quote)