Criminalizing The Poor and Homelessness For Profit! This is the life's blood of Predatory Capitalism. It is also nourishment for Republicans who constantly bloviate about Taxes...

Cool Breeze

This is the life's blood of Predatory Capitalism. It is also nourishment for Republicans who constantly bloviate about Taxes, Welfare Cheats, and Lazy Bums who won't work and don't plan to as long as they can mooch off of Real Americans. Shame!

No-one in their right mind wants to be poor or homeless, so it is always curious why many Americans are cruel and inhumane toward the very least fortunate among us. It is a safe bet that if there were enough living-wage jobs, the number of Americans stuck in poverty and without a place to live would be far less. Whatever the reason a person is in economic despair and lacks a safe place to live, there is no reason whatsoever to criminalize them or their families for being poor or homeless.

On Monday, Attorney General Loretta Lynch issued a stern order to state court officials to stop, forthwith, targeting poor and homeless people and throwing them in jail for being too poor to pay fines for the crime of being too poor to have a place to live. In repeating what President Obama said about a year ago, the Justice Department reminded the state courts that the criminalizing poverty and homelessness is patently unconstitutional, and took special exception to sending the poor to debtors prison; a practice that A.G. Loretta Lynch said was entirely profit motivated and unusually burdensome on the poor.

In the strongly worded letter to court chief justices and administrators, the head of the DOJs Civil Rights Division, Vanita Gupta and Lisa Foster of the Office for Access to Justice leveled some harsh criticism against state judicial and law enforcement officials for arresting and jailing the poor as a revenue generating source. The letter said in part,

In addition to being unlawful, to the extent that these practices are geared not toward addressing public safety, but rather toward raising revenue, they cast doubt on the impartiality of the tribunal and erode trust between local governments and their constituents.

The DOJ got involved after finding that the justice system in Ferguson Missouri consistently set maximizing revenue as the priority in arresting and fining the poor to trap those individuals in a perpetual cycle of poverty. Gupta and Foster continued that, like in Ferguson, law enforcement and courts nationwide are out of line in forcing poor individuals into escalating debt, to lose their jobs, face unnecessary and repeated incarceration despite posing no danger to the community; and become trapped in inescapable cycles of poverty.

Right on cue and concurrent with the DOJ order, there was a civil rights lawsuit filed in federal court in Los Angeles accusing the city of endangering homeless peoples lives by seizing and destroying their tents, bedding, and worldly possessions during mass arrests. After imprisoning the homeless, the city waited to release them until the middle of the night with no shelter or belongings. The suit in the U.S. District Court in Los Angeles rightly claims the city was deliberately targeting the poor and homeless as part of a well-devised campaign to criminalize poverty and homelessness to generate revenue; revenue from people too poor to afford shelter.

It was about a year-and-a-half ago that the United Nations Human Rights Commission (HRC) issued an official condemnation of Americas treatment of its poor and homeless population. The HRC labeled Americas treatment of its poor and homeless, millions whom are veterans, cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment. The U.N. HRC also reminded the U.S. that it was guilty of a violation of Americas obligation to adhere to international human rights treaties. The human rights treaties, by the way, were initiated, championed, and pushed on the rest of the world by America. That condemnation prompted President Obama to take action and he dutifully attempted to correct the outrage and force communities to halt the cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment of people who are living in poverty. He has, by the way, attempted to reduce the number of Americans living in poverty or homelessness by calling for job creation and higher wages for about 7 years, but Republicans were too busy attacking womens healthcare and autonomy as human beings to ever do anything to address poverty and homeless.

The Obama Administration has argued that vile local ordinances criminalizing Americans for being too poor to afford shelter is unconstitutional. The Administration filed a brief in federal court arguing that criminalization violates the Eighth Amendments protections against cruel and unusual punishment. It also violates most states laws and two Supreme Court rulings banning debtors prisons and illegally seizing and disposing of every last possession of the homeless.

Still, despite a U.N. condemnation, two Supreme Court rulings, and a federal filing by the Obama Administration, states across America are still seizing homeless peoples worldly belongings, throwing them in jail, and levying exorbitant fines as a revenue producing ploy. Since punishing the poor for being poor has continued unabated, the Department of Justice did its job to protect Americans civil rights; issued a stark warning to the states to stop being barbaric and cruel to Americans for profit.

As Attorney General Loretta Lynch stated, The consequences of the criminalization of poverty are not only harmful they are far-reaching. They not only affect an individuals ability to support their family, but also contribute to an erosion of our faith in government. The nasty criminalization of poverty, and homelessness, possibly does erode faith in government, but more than that it erodes what little faith many Americans have in what seems to be lacking most in America; humanity.

Debtors prison, Homelessness, Human Rights commission, Loretta Lynch, Poverty, United Nations, Vanita Gupta. http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/16/attorney-general-orders-stop-criminalizing-homelessness-poverty.html As you wish comrades!

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

Cool Breeze wrote:

This is the life's blood of Predatory Capitalism. It is also nourishment for Republicans who constantly bloviate about Taxes, Welfare Cheats, and Lazy Bums who won't work and don't plan to as long as they can mooch off of Real Americans. Shame!

No-one in their right mind wants to be poor or homeless, so it is always curious why many Americans are cruel and inhumane toward the very least fortunate among us. It is a safe bet that if there were enough living-wage jobs, the number of Americans stuck in poverty and without a place to live would be far less. Whatever the reason a person is in economic despair and lacks a safe place to live, there is no reason whatsoever to criminalize them or their families for being poor or homeless.

On Monday, Attorney General Loretta Lynch issued a stern order to state court officials to stop, forthwith, targeting poor and homeless people and throwing them in jail for being too poor to pay fines for the crime of being too poor to have a place to live. In repeating what President Obama said about a year ago, the Justice Department reminded the state courts that the criminalizing poverty and homelessness is patently unconstitutional, and took special exception to sending the poor to debtors prison; a practice that A.G. Loretta Lynch said was entirely profit motivated and unusually burdensome on the poor.

In the strongly worded letter to court chief justices and administrators, the head of the DOJs Civil Rights Division, Vanita Gupta and Lisa Foster of the Office for Access to Justice leveled some harsh criticism against state judicial and law enforcement officials for arresting and jailing the poor as a revenue generating source. The letter said in part,

In addition to being unlawful, to the extent that these practices are geared not toward addressing public safety, but rather toward raising revenue, they cast doubt on the impartiality of the tribunal and erode trust between local governments and their constituents.

The DOJ got involved after finding that the justice system in Ferguson Missouri consistently set maximizing revenue as the priority in arresting and fining the poor to trap those individuals in a perpetual cycle of poverty. Gupta and Foster continued that, like in Ferguson, law enforcement and courts nationwide are out of line in forcing poor individuals into escalating debt, to lose their jobs, face unnecessary and repeated incarceration despite posing no danger to the community; and become trapped in inescapable cycles of poverty.

Right on cue and concurrent with the DOJ order, there was a civil rights lawsuit filed in federal court in Los Angeles accusing the city of endangering homeless peoples lives by seizing and destroying their tents, bedding, and worldly possessions during mass arrests. After imprisoning the homeless, the city waited to release them until the middle of the night with no shelter or belongings. The suit in the U.S. District Court in Los Angeles rightly claims the city was deliberately targeting the poor and homeless as part of a well-devised campaign to criminalize poverty and homelessness to generate revenue; revenue from people too poor to afford shelter.

It was about a year-and-a-half ago that the United Nations Human Rights Commission (HRC) issued an official condemnation of Americas treatment of its poor and homeless population. The HRC labeled Americas treatment of its poor and homeless, millions whom are veterans, cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment. The U.N. HRC also reminded the U.S. that it was guilty of a violation of Americas obligation to adhere to international human rights treaties. The human rights treaties, by the way, were initiated, championed, and pushed on the rest of the world by America. That condemnation prompted President Obama to take action and he dutifully attempted to correct the outrage and force communities to halt the cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment of people who are living in poverty. He has, by the way, attempted to reduce the number of Americans living in poverty or homelessness by calling for job creation and higher wages for about 7 years, but Republicans were too busy attacking womens healthcare and autonomy as human beings to ever do anything to address poverty and homeless.

The Obama Administration has argued that vile local ordinances criminalizing Americans for being too poor to afford shelter is unconstitutional. The Administration filed a brief in federal court arguing that criminalization violates the Eighth Amendments protections against cruel and unusual punishment. It also violates most states laws and two Supreme Court rulings banning debtors prisons and illegally seizing and disposing of every last possession of the homeless.

Still, despite a U.N. condemnation, two Supreme Court rulings, and a federal filing by the Obama Administration, states across America are still seizing homeless peoples worldly belongings, throwing them in jail, and levying exorbitant fines as a revenue producing ploy. Since punishing the poor for being poor has continued unabated, the Department of Justice did its job to protect Americans civil rights; issued a stark warning to the states to stop being barbaric and cruel to Americans for profit.

As Attorney General Loretta Lynch stated, The consequences of the criminalization of poverty are not only harmful they are far-reaching. They not only affect an individuals ability to support their family, but also contribute to an erosion of our faith in government. The nasty criminalization of poverty, and homelessness, possibly does erode faith in government, but more than that it erodes what little faith many Americans have in what seems to be lacking most in America; humanity.

Debtors prison, Homelessness, Human Rights commission, Loretta Lynch, Poverty, United Nations, Vanita Gupta. http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/16/attorney-general-orders-stop-criminalizing-homelessness-poverty.html As you wish comrades!

This is the life's blood of Predatory Capitalism. ... (show quote)

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Oh, the communist get-away-with-crime-syndicate is in full operation, I see. I think I will do a poll to hopefully learn who Americans believe the most stupid socialist democrat actually is. They all seem to be in the running. If Obama's lynchmen want the homeless housed and fed, they should be collecting the millions of dollars that Al Sharpton owes the IRS.

The communist party of America, AKA democrats, know as well as I do that most homeless in America are homeless by choice. Too many are drug addicts and need no more encouragement to use their and others' money on drugs than they already do. The rag tag dictators in the UN are so inferior to America that they will do ANYTHING to bring America to her knees, and the Obama administration seems to think that is a fine idea. What a bunch of doltish IDIOTS!

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Cool Breeze wrote:

This is the life's blood of Predatory Capitalism. It is also nourishment for Republicans who constantly bloviate about Taxes, Welfare Cheats, and Lazy Bums who won't work and don't plan to as long as they can mooch off of Real Americans. Shame!

No-one in their right mind wants to be poor or homeless, so it is always curious why many Americans are cruel and inhumane toward the very least fortunate among us. It is a safe bet that if there were enough living-wage jobs, the number of Americans stuck in poverty and without a place to live would be far less. Whatever the reason a person is in economic despair and lacks a safe place to live, there is no reason whatsoever to criminalize them or their families for being poor or homeless.

On Monday, Attorney General Loretta Lynch issued a stern order to state court officials to stop, forthwith, targeting poor and homeless people and throwing them in jail for being too poor to pay fines for the crime of being too poor to have a place to live. In repeating what President Obama said about a year ago, the Justice Department reminded the state courts that the criminalizing poverty and homelessness is patently unconstitutional, and took special exception to sending the poor to debtors prison; a practice that A.G. Loretta Lynch said was entirely profit motivated and unusually burdensome on the poor.

In the strongly worded letter to court chief justices and administrators, the head of the DOJs Civil Rights Division, Vanita Gupta and Lisa Foster of the Office for Access to Justice leveled some harsh criticism against state judicial and law enforcement officials for arresting and jailing the poor as a revenue generating source. The letter said in part,

In addition to being unlawful, to the extent that these practices are geared not toward addressing public safety, but rather toward raising revenue, they cast doubt on the impartiality of the tribunal and erode trust between local governments and their constituents.

The DOJ got involved after finding that the justice system in Ferguson Missouri consistently set maximizing revenue as the priority in arresting and fining the poor to trap those individuals in a perpetual cycle of poverty. Gupta and Foster continued that, like in Ferguson, law enforcement and courts nationwide are out of line in forcing poor individuals into escalating debt, to lose their jobs, face unnecessary and repeated incarceration despite posing no danger to the community; and become trapped in inescapable cycles of poverty.

Right on cue and concurrent with the DOJ order, there was a civil rights lawsuit filed in federal court in Los Angeles accusing the city of endangering homeless peoples lives by seizing and destroying their tents, bedding, and worldly possessions during mass arrests. After imprisoning the homeless, the city waited to release them until the middle of the night with no shelter or belongings. The suit in the U.S. District Court in Los Angeles rightly claims the city was deliberately targeting the poor and homeless as part of a well-devised campaign to criminalize poverty and homelessness to generate revenue; revenue from people too poor to afford shelter.

It was about a year-and-a-half ago that the United Nations Human Rights Commission (HRC) issued an official condemnation of Americas treatment of its poor and homeless population. The HRC labeled Americas treatment of its poor and homeless, millions whom are veterans, cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment. The U.N. HRC also reminded the U.S. that it was guilty of a violation of Americas obligation to adhere to international human rights treaties. The human rights treaties, by the way, were initiated, championed, and pushed on the rest of the world by America. That condemnation prompted President Obama to take action and he dutifully attempted to correct the outrage and force communities to halt the cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment of people who are living in poverty. He has, by the way, attempted to reduce the number of Americans living in poverty or homelessness by calling for job creation and higher wages for about 7 years, but Republicans were too busy attacking womens healthcare and autonomy as human beings to ever do anything to address poverty and homeless.

The Obama Administration has argued that vile local ordinances criminalizing Americans for being too poor to afford shelter is unconstitutional. The Administration filed a brief in federal court arguing that criminalization violates the Eighth Amendments protections against cruel and unusual punishment. It also violates most states laws and two Supreme Court rulings banning debtors prisons and illegally seizing and disposing of every last possession of the homeless.

Still, despite a U.N. condemnation, two Supreme Court rulings, and a federal filing by the Obama Administration, states across America are still seizing homeless peoples worldly belongings, throwing them in jail, and levying exorbitant fines as a revenue producing ploy. Since punishing the poor for being poor has continued unabated, the Department of Justice did its job to protect Americans civil rights; issued a stark warning to the states to stop being barbaric and cruel to Americans for profit.

As Attorney General Loretta Lynch stated, The consequences of the criminalization of poverty are not only harmful they are far-reaching. They not only affect an individuals ability to support their family, but also contribute to an erosion of our faith in government. The nasty criminalization of poverty, and homelessness, possibly does erode faith in government, but more than that it erodes what little faith many Americans have in what seems to be lacking most in America; humanity.

Debtors prison, Homelessness, Human Rights commission, Loretta Lynch, Poverty, United Nations, Vanita Gupta. http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/16/attorney-general-orders-stop-criminalizing-homelessness-poverty.html As you wish comrades!

This is the life's blood of Predatory Capitalism. ... (show quote)

You do know that many communities rely heavily on these "poor criminals" don't you? Not just as a source of revenue, but as non paid city workers. I can always tell when municipal court has met ( twice a month where I live ), because I see the prisoners doing all the work my city employees haven't done already, but never do.

This isn't right or defensible, but it is VERY common and eliminating it would raise the taxes in many smaller communities - and you know how popular that would be. There is one homeless shelter in my County and it is never full, because most of the homeless are housed in County jail - they can't pay the vagrancy fine, or as I call it the "homeless tax". They truck them all over the County to clean ditches, repair roads, clean up trash, etc., all the things we'd have to hire paid workers to do.

Criminals doing such work is a good thing, as we're paying their room and board anyway, but for those with misdemeanor offenses that can't pay, it's adding insult to injury, so to speak, but we don't care. This was actually brought up once in a Quorum Court meeting, but when the County Judge showed how much money we were saving using homeless and the other "non pay source" prisoners, even after jail costs - the protest died before it began.

Cool Breeze

Tasine wrote:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ br Oh, the communist ... (show quote)

You're the problem. There is no Cure for your disease. LOL

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I volunteer at a homeless shelter and once in a blue moon we get a person in, through no fault of their own, has lost everything. These people come for a temporary hand up and it is given to them. These people never stay long in the shelter because they will take a job, perhaps not paying them a hundred thousand a year, but it is enough to get them back on their way. Then we have the "career" panhandling homeless by choice, and yes there are quite a few more of those kind. They are quite content living in their tents and getting free handouts. They would not take a job even if it did pay a hundred thousand a year. They come to the shelter, they take, they steal (yes, even from each other)...most don't even have the manners to say thank you. They visit us so often that all the volunteers know them by name. Now that is sad, because we know which ones will complain the loudest about what they are getting for free!

Yes, the problem has gotten worse over the past 7 years.

Tasine wrote:

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:thumbup: :thumbup:

Cool Breeze

Pennylynn wrote:

I volunteer at a homeless shelter and once in a bl... (show quote)

Somehow this pious narrative sounds suspicious. Why? Maybe its because of a cabal of liars on OPP!

J Anthony Loc: Connecticut

Cool Breeze wrote:

Somehow this pious narrative sounds suspicious. Why? Maybe its because of a cabal of liars on OPP!

Yes, Its typical of those who believe the trope that the poor and homeless "choose" to be that way, it justifies their Malthusian-Trap way of thinking. So they smugly congratulate themselves for their charity while ignoring the root of the problem.
Of course there are bad apples among the vagrant population, but it is not the whole bunch by any stretch. That some of them are content to be parasites is probably true, but there are certainly more dangerous parasites in the world, like those referred to as the "elite"...

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

If I only could give a rat's behind about your opinion! And why make this personal, about me?? I thought that this thread was about Criminalizing the homeless for profit. Is it that difficult for you to stay on topic? So, back to topic. It would seem that you do not believe that some people are "homeless by choice." Google it, you will find quite a few stories about people who elect to be homeless and tips on how to live "free in America." I have to laugh, one story about a man who "quit" money to live "free" wrote a book so he can "make donations." And he advertises on the net.... http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/03/homeless-by-choice-how-to-live-for-free-in-america/254118/ and this story is about a homeless by choice man in NY. http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2015/09/homeless-by-choice-in-new-york.html and this guy.....http://www.azcentral.com/community/chandler/articles/20110318chandler-homeless-man-by-choice.html

They are not alone. The vast majority of the career panhandlers live fairly well from the generous nature of white Americans. And before you say anything about me using the word white, it is because I can only talk about what I know. Besides, did you know that the much maligned top 1 percent in the U.S. economy fork over one third of all donations made. Even in death. The wealthiest 1.4 percent of Americans are responsible for 86 percent of the charitable donations worldwide.

Cool Breeze wrote:

Somehow this pious narrative sounds suspicious. Why? Maybe its because of a cabal of liars on OPP!

J Anthony Loc: Connecticut

Pennylynn wrote:

If I only could give a rat's behind about your opi... (show quote)

You're right, Its not about you. What it should be about is that dependence on the whims of charity and rich philanthropists to deal with poverty and homelessness helps to perpetuate It, not solve it.

Cool Breeze

Pennylynn wrote:

If I only could give a rat's behind about your opi... (show quote)

Mutual Sentiments Much! LOL

snowbear37 Loc: MA.

Tasine wrote:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ br Oh, the communist ... (show quote)

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

snowbear37 Loc: MA.

Cool Breeze wrote:

This is the life's blood of Predatory Capitalism. It is also nourishment for Republicans who constantly bloviate about Taxes, Welfare Cheats, and Lazy Bums who won't work and don't plan to as long as they can mooch off of Real Americans. Shame!

No-one in their right mind wants to be poor or homeless, so it is always curious why many Americans are cruel and inhumane toward the very least fortunate among us. It is a safe bet that if there were enough living-wage jobs, the number of Americans stuck in poverty and without a place to live would be far less. Whatever the reason a person is in economic despair and lacks a safe place to live, there is no reason whatsoever to criminalize them or their families for being poor or homeless.

On Monday, Attorney General Loretta Lynch issued a stern order to state court officials to stop, forthwith, targeting poor and homeless people and throwing them in jail for being too poor to pay fines for the crime of being too poor to have a place to live. In repeating what President Obama said about a year ago, the Justice Department reminded the state courts that the criminalizing poverty and homelessness is patently unconstitutional, and took special exception to sending the poor to debtors prison; a practice that A.G. Loretta Lynch said was entirely profit motivated and unusually burdensome on the poor.

In the strongly worded letter to court chief justices and administrators, the head of the DOJs Civil Rights Division, Vanita Gupta and Lisa Foster of the Office for Access to Justice leveled some harsh criticism against state judicial and law enforcement officials for arresting and jailing the poor as a revenue generating source. The letter said in part,

In addition to being unlawful, to the extent that these practices are geared not toward addressing public safety, but rather toward raising revenue, they cast doubt on the impartiality of the tribunal and erode trust between local governments and their constituents.

The DOJ got involved after finding that the justice system in Ferguson Missouri consistently set maximizing revenue as the priority in arresting and fining the poor to trap those individuals in a perpetual cycle of poverty. Gupta and Foster continued that, like in Ferguson, law enforcement and courts nationwide are out of line in forcing poor individuals into escalating debt, to lose their jobs, face unnecessary and repeated incarceration despite posing no danger to the community; and become trapped in inescapable cycles of poverty.

Right on cue and concurrent with the DOJ order, there was a civil rights lawsuit filed in federal court in Los Angeles accusing the city of endangering homeless peoples lives by seizing and destroying their tents, bedding, and worldly possessions during mass arrests. After imprisoning the homeless, the city waited to release them until the middle of the night with no shelter or belongings. The suit in the U.S. District Court in Los Angeles rightly claims the city was deliberately targeting the poor and homeless as part of a well-devised campaign to criminalize poverty and homelessness to generate revenue; revenue from people too poor to afford shelter.

It was about a year-and-a-half ago that the United Nations Human Rights Commission (HRC) issued an official condemnation of Americas treatment of its poor and homeless population. The HRC labeled Americas treatment of its poor and homeless, millions whom are veterans, cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment. The U.N. HRC also reminded the U.S. that it was guilty of a violation of Americas obligation to adhere to international human rights treaties. The human rights treaties, by the way, were initiated, championed, and pushed on the rest of the world by America. That condemnation prompted President Obama to take action and he dutifully attempted to correct the outrage and force communities to halt the cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment of people who are living in poverty. He has, by the way, attempted to reduce the number of Americans living in poverty or homelessness by calling for job creation and higher wages for about 7 years, but Republicans were too busy attacking womens healthcare and autonomy as human beings to ever do anything to address poverty and homeless.

The Obama Administration has argued that vile local ordinances criminalizing Americans for being too poor to afford shelter is unconstitutional. The Administration filed a brief in federal court arguing that criminalization violates the Eighth Amendments protections against cruel and unusual punishment. It also violates most states laws and two Supreme Court rulings banning debtors prisons and illegally seizing and disposing of every last possession of the homeless.

Still, despite a U.N. condemnation, two Supreme Court rulings, and a federal filing by the Obama Administration, states across America are still seizing homeless peoples worldly belongings, throwing them in jail, and levying exorbitant fines as a revenue producing ploy. Since punishing the poor for being poor has continued unabated, the Department of Justice did its job to protect Americans civil rights; issued a stark warning to the states to stop being barbaric and cruel to Americans for profit.

As Attorney General Loretta Lynch stated, The consequences of the criminalization of poverty are not only harmful they are far-reaching. They not only affect an individuals ability to support their family, but also contribute to an erosion of our faith in government. The nasty criminalization of poverty, and homelessness, possibly does erode faith in government, but more than that it erodes what little faith many Americans have in what seems to be lacking most in America; humanity.

Debtors prison, Homelessness, Human Rights commission, Loretta Lynch, Poverty, United Nations, Vanita Gupta. http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/16/attorney-general-orders-stop-criminalizing-homelessness-poverty.html As you wish comrades!

This is the life's blood of Predatory Capitalism. ... (show quote)

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Lynch is a joke!

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

Cool Breeze wrote:

Somehow this pious narrative sounds suspicious. Why? Maybe its because of a cabal of liars on OPP!

I've got news for you, buddy. The left's backside is showing......badly!!! You diss the very people who do actually HELP those who NEED help - that would NEVER be a democrat. That would be a conservative or a christian. The only thing leftists KNOW or WANT to do is enable the masses to BE or BECOME dependent. That is helping NO ONE but the leftist gain more control and PRETEND he is being benevolent, when benevolence is unknown to any leftist. Leftists ALWAYS blame the conservative for the sins the leftist commit.

J Anthony Loc: Connecticut

Tasine wrote:

I've got news for you, buddy. The left's backside... (show quote)

And vice-versa. Its a giant merry-go-round of hypocrisy and projection, with no one owning-up or taking responsibility for their own faults. A sad state of affairs.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

J Anthony wrote:

And vice-versa. Its a giant merry-go-round of hypocrisy and projection, with no one owning-up or taking responsibility for their own faults. A sad state of affairs.

No, NOT "no one owning up or taking responsibility for their own faults." THAT is an irrelevant comment. What IS a relevant question is this: what do conservatives consider good policy as opposed to what socialists consider good policy AND WHAT EACH SIDE DEFINES AS "GOOD". THAT IS THE ONLY IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO. And many, many know right from wrong. It is hard for manh of us to call raunchy "GOOD", and it seems no one on the left sees religion as "GOOD".