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Dhimmitude The word "Dhimmitude" is found in the new health care bill; so what does it mean? I thought this was interesting and worth passing on
Feb 5, 2016 17:24:36   #
littlebit
 
The word "Dhimmitude" is found in the new health care
bill; so what does it mean? I thought this was interesting
and worth passing on.

Obama used it in the health care bill. It is also included
in the health care law.

Dhimmitude -- Most of us had never heard the word until
now. You can Google this word for its definition.

Pretty interesting! It's on page 107 of the healthcare bill.
Go ahead and look it up on Google ... and yep, it exists.
It is a REAL word. Dhimmitude is the Muslim system
of controlling non-Muslim populations conquered
through jihad (Holy War). Specifically, it is the
TAXING of non-Muslims in exchange for tolerating
their presence AND as a coercive means of converting
conquered remnants to Islam.

Obamacare allows the establishment of Dhimmitude
and Sharia Muslim diktat in the United States. (Diktat
means... an order or decree imposed by someone in
power without popular consent.) Muslims are
specifically exempted from the government mandate
to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax
for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be
"gambling", "risk-taking", and "usury." And is thus
banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption
based on this.
You can read more at: 'Dhimmitude' on page 107 of the health care law exempts Muslims: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/may/30/chain-email/dhimmitude-page-107-health-care-law-exempts-muslim/

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Feb 5, 2016 18:02:32   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
What part of this article you posted do not realize that, Politifact shows everything about the subject matter is a bald faced lie! As a matter of fact they called it "Pants on Fire"!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/may/30/chain-email/dhimmitude-page-107-health-care-law-exempts-muslim/


littlebit wrote:
The word "Dhimmitude" is found in the new health care
bill; so what does it mean? I thought this was interesting
and worth passing on.

Obama used it in the health care bill. It is also included
in the health care law.

Dhimmitude -- Most of us had never heard the word until
now. You can Google this word for its definition.

Pretty interesting! It's on page 107 of the healthcare bill.
Go ahead and look it up on Google ... and yep, it exists.
It is a REAL word. Dhimmitude is the Muslim system
of controlling non-Muslim populations conquered
through jihad (Holy War). Specifically, it is the
TAXING of non-Muslims in exchange for tolerating
their presence AND as a coercive means of converting
conquered remnants to Islam.

Obamacare allows the establishment of Dhimmitude
and Sharia Muslim diktat in the United States. (Diktat
means... an order or decree imposed by someone in
power without popular consent.) Muslims are
specifically exempted from the government mandate
to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax
for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be
"gambling", "risk-taking", and "usury." And is thus
banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption
based on this.
You can read more at: 'Dhimmitude' on page 107 of the health care law exempts Muslims: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/may/30/chain-email/dhimmitude-page-107-health-care-law-exempts-muslim/
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Feb 5, 2016 18:23:05   #
PeterS
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
What part of this article you posted do not realize that, Politifact shows everything about the subject matter is a bald faced lie! As a matter of fact they called it "Pants on Fire"!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/may/30/chain-email/dhimmitude-page-107-health-care-law-exempts-muslim/

Nice catch. When people have to lie to discredit something doesn't that say more about them than what they are trying to discredit?

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Feb 5, 2016 18:40:20   #
littlebit
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
What part of this article you posted do not realize that, Politifact shows everything about the subject matter is a bald faced lie! As a matter of fact they called it "Pants on Fire"!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/may/30/chain-email/dhimmitude-page-107-health-care-law-exempts-muslim/


I don't think you wrote past the second paragraph of this article. So I think you need to go read the whole article. Here are some notes you might be interested in since you are going to liberals don't like to do any kind of research.



Origin[edit]
The term was coined in 1982 by the Lebanese President Bachir Gemayel, who was later assassinated, in reference to perceived attempts by the country's Muslim leadership to subordinate the large Lebanese Christian minority. In a speech of September 14, 1982 given at Dayr al-Salib in Lebanon, he said: "Lebanon is our homeland and will remain a homeland for Christians… We want to continue to christen, to celebrate our rites and traditions, our faith and our creed whenever we wish… Henceforth, we refuse to live in any dhimmitude!"[1]

The concept of "dhimmitude" was introduced into Western discourse by the writer Bat Ye'or in a French-language article published in the Italian journal La Rassegna mensile di Israel in 1983.[2] In Bat Ye'or's use, "dhimmitude" refers to allegations of non-Muslims appeasing and surrendering to Muslims, and discrimination against non-Muslims in Muslim majority regions.[3]

Ye'or further popularized the term in her books The Decline of Eastern Christianity: From Jihad to Dhimmitude[4] and the 2003 followup Islam and Dhimmitude: Where Civilizations Collide[5] In a 2011 interview, she claimed to have indirectly inspired Gemayel's use of the term.[6]

If you want to read a little bit more about the subject click on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmitude

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Feb 5, 2016 18:52:39   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
You are the fool who posted an article by Politifact that proved the entire story to be false, Dumass!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/may/30/chain-email/dhimmitude-page-107-health-care-law-exempts-muslim/


littlebit wrote:
I don't think you wrote past the second paragraph of this article. So I think you need to go read the whole article. Here are some notes you might be interested in since you are going to liberals don't like to do any kind of research.



Origin[edit]
The term was coined in 1982 by the Lebanese President Bachir Gemayel, who was later assassinated, in reference to perceived attempts by the country's Muslim leadership to subordinate the large Lebanese Christian minority. In a speech of September 14, 1982 given at Dayr al-Salib in Lebanon, he said: "Lebanon is our homeland and will remain a homeland for Christians… We want to continue to christen, to celebrate our rites and traditions, our faith and our creed whenever we wish… Henceforth, we refuse to live in any dhimmitude!"[1]

The concept of "dhimmitude" was introduced into Western discourse by the writer Bat Ye'or in a French-language article published in the Italian journal La Rassegna mensile di Israel in 1983.[2] In Bat Ye'or's use, "dhimmitude" refers to allegations of non-Muslims appeasing and surrendering to Muslims, and discrimination against non-Muslims in Muslim majority regions.[3]

Ye'or further popularized the term in her books The Decline of Eastern Christianity: From Jihad to Dhimmitude[4] and the 2003 followup Islam and Dhimmitude: Where Civilizations Collide[5] In a 2011 interview, she claimed to have indirectly inspired Gemayel's use of the term.[6]

If you want to read a little bit more about the subject click on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmitude
I don't think you wrote past the second paragraph ... (show quote)



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Feb 5, 2016 19:32:10   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
littlebit wrote:
The word "Dhimmitude" is found in the new health care
bill; so what does it mean? I thought this was interesting
and worth passing on.

Obama used it in the health care bill. It is also included
in the health care law.

Dhimmitude -- Most of us had never heard the word until
now. You can Google this word for its definition.

Pretty interesting! It's on page 107 of the healthcare bill.
Go ahead and look it up on Google ... and yep, it exists.
It is a REAL word. Dhimmitude is the Muslim system
of controlling non-Muslim populations conquered
through jihad (Holy War). Specifically, it is the
TAXING of non-Muslims in exchange for tolerating
their presence AND as a coercive means of converting
conquered remnants to Islam.

Obamacare allows the establishment of Dhimmitude
and Sharia Muslim diktat in the United States. (Diktat
means... an order or decree imposed by someone in
power without popular consent.) Muslims are
specifically exempted from the government mandate
to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax
for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be
"gambling", "risk-taking", and "usury." And is thus
banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption
based on this.
You can read more at: 'Dhimmitude' on page 107 of the health care law exempts Muslims: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/may/30/chain-email/dhimmitude-page-107-health-care-law-exempts-muslim/
The word "Dhimmitude" is found in the ne... (show quote)




Bit,

I have only one thing to say.... Read it all..


Dhimmitude” and the Muslim Exemption

By Jess Henig
Posted on May 20, 2010

1.9K

Q: Will Muslim Americans be exempt from the mandate to have health insurance?

A: The Muslim faith does not forbid purchasing health insurance, and no Muslim group has ever been considered exempt under the definitions used in the health care law.

FULL QUESTION

Are Muslims exempted from the new health care law? Is any of the following chain e-mail true?

Word of the Day: Dhimmitude

Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to islam.

The ObamaCare bill is the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia muslim diktat in the United States . Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be “gambling”, “risk-taking” and “usury” and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption based on this.

⬐ Click to expand/collapse the full text ⬏

FULL ANSWER

In our article “More Malarkey About Health Care,” we wrote that some religious groups may indeed be considered exempt from the requirement to have health insurance. The law defines exempt groups using the definition from 26 U.S. Code section 1402(g)(1), which describes the religious groups currently considered exempt from Social Security payroll taxes. Eligible sects must forbid any payout in the event of death, disability, old age or retirement, including Social Security and Medicare.

Since we posted our article, we’ve obtained a list through the Freedom of Information Act of all the groups that have successfully applied for exemptions from payroll taxes. (We have posted the Excel file here.) The overwhelming majority of them are explicitly Anabaptist — that is, Mennonite, Amish or Hutterite. Those that don’t specify their denomination are still explicitly Christian. Having gone through the list, we can say with certainty that no Muslim group, and indeed no non-Christian group, has ever qualified for an exemption under the statute used to define exempt religious groups in the health care law.

Nor are they likely to want to, says Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, which opposes discrimination and defamation against Muslims. “I’ve never even heard it brought up as an issue,” Hooper told us. “I have health insurance. We give health insurance to our employees. Every Muslim group I know of does the same thing.” Hooper told us that he has seen some Muslims raise religious objections to life insurance, but not health insurance, and that, in fact, providing health coverage is very much in line with Islamic ideals of social justice.

As for “dhimmitude,” it’s a politically charged academic concept, not a tenet of Muslim faith. The term was coined by scholar Bat Ye’or to describe the condition of the “dhimmis,” protected non-Muslims living in Muslim empires starting in the 7th century. Dhimmi populations, Ye’or says, were allowed by their lands’ Muslim conquerors to keep property and practice their faith, as long as they paid a poll tax. It is Ye’or’s assertion that the condition of dhimmitude still persists in countries under shari’a law, and that, furthermore, it is spreading worldwide. In particular, she says, Europeans are accepting a state of dhimmitude and moving toward becoming “Eurabia.” This position is controversial, and Ye’or is not secretive about her political commitments. For instance, she is a vocal supporter of Geert Wilders, the Dutch politician who was once banned from the United Kingdom because of his inflammatory anti-Islam views. For the e-mail to present “dhimmitude” as an established Muslim value rather than a scholarly concept from an author with open political commitments is misleading.

Finally, the e-mail repeats one other claim we’ve debunked before. It says that “I … will face hard prison time because I refuse to buy insurance or pay the penalty tax.” This is false. The House version of the bill left open the possibility of criminal penalties for deliberately evading a tax for not having health insurance, but the Senate version did not, nor did the final law.

— Jess Henig

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Feb 5, 2016 22:11:32   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
littlebit wrote:
The word "Dhimmitude" is found in the new health care


You are being called out as a liar. Personally, I don't know.

Please source your post. A link to the Obamacare law with th word in question would be great.

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Feb 6, 2016 09:11:46   #
Pulfnick Loc: Knoxville, TN
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
What part of this article you posted do not realize that, Politifact shows everything about the subject matter is a bald faced lie! As a matter of fact they called it "Pants on Fire"!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/may/30/chain-email/dhimmitude-page-107-health-care-law-exempts-muslim/


Politifact never showed any lie about the concept of or reality of dhimmitude, just lied itself with its phony "fact check". If you were capable of reading with even a little comprehension, you would keep asking yourself when they were going to get around to rebutting the article. All the fascist Politifact did was blow smoke, and scoff at the word dhimmitude. Politifact makes it sound like in Muslim lands non-Muslims are treated well and not penalized for being infidels. That is an outrageous lie.

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Feb 6, 2016 14:51:29   #
Kevyn
 
littlebit wrote:
The word "Dhimmitude" is found in the new health care
bill; so what does it mean? I thought this was interesting
and worth passing on.

Obama used it in the health care bill. It is also included
in the health care law.

Dhimmitude -- Most of us had never heard the word until
now. You can Google this word for its definition.

Pretty interesting! It's on page 107 of the healthcare bill.
Go ahead and look it up on Google ... and yep, it exists.
It is a REAL word. Dhimmitude is the Muslim system
of controlling non-Muslim populations conquered
through jihad (Holy War). Specifically, it is the
TAXING of non-Muslims in exchange for tolerating
their presence AND as a coercive means of converting
conquered remnants to Islam.

Obamacare allows the establishment of Dhimmitude
and Sharia Muslim diktat in the United States. (Diktat
means... an order or decree imposed by someone in
power without popular consent.) Muslims are
specifically exempted from the government mandate
to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax
for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be
"gambling", "risk-taking", and "usury." And is thus
banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption
based on this.
You can read more at: 'Dhimmitude' on page 107 of the health care law exempts Muslims: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/may/30/chain-email/dhimmitude-page-107-health-care-law-exempts-muslim/
The word "Dhimmitude" is found in the ne... (show quote)

This is a perfect oppertunity for right wing nutters who hate the affordable care act! All they need to do is convert to Islam and they can ignore the law without repercussions.

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Feb 6, 2016 14:56:02   #
Kevyn
 
permafrost wrote:
Bit,

I have only one thing to say.... Read it all..


Dhimmitude” and the Muslim Exemption

By Jess Henig
Posted on May 20, 2010

1.9K

Q: Will Muslim Americans be exempt from the mandate to have health insurance?

A: The Muslim faith does not forbid purchasing health insurance, and no Muslim group has ever been considered exempt under the definitions used in the health care law.

FULL QUESTION

Are Muslims exempted from the new health care law? Is any of the following chain e-mail true?

Word of the Day: Dhimmitude

Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to islam.

The ObamaCare bill is the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia muslim diktat in the United States . Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be “gambling”, “risk-taking” and “usury” and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption based on this.

⬐ Click to expand/collapse the full text ⬏

FULL ANSWER

In our article “More Malarkey About Health Care,” we wrote that some religious groups may indeed be considered exempt from the requirement to have health insurance. The law defines exempt groups using the definition from 26 U.S. Code section 1402(g)(1), which describes the religious groups currently considered exempt from Social Security payroll taxes. Eligible sects must forbid any payout in the event of death, disability, old age or retirement, including Social Security and Medicare.

Since we posted our article, we’ve obtained a list through the Freedom of Information Act of all the groups that have successfully applied for exemptions from payroll taxes. (We have posted the Excel file here.) The overwhelming majority of them are explicitly Anabaptist — that is, Mennonite, Amish or Hutterite. Those that don’t specify their denomination are still explicitly Christian. Having gone through the list, we can say with certainty that no Muslim group, and indeed no non-Christian group, has ever qualified for an exemption under the statute used to define exempt religious groups in the health care law.

Nor are they likely to want to, says Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, which opposes discrimination and defamation against Muslims. “I’ve never even heard it brought up as an issue,” Hooper told us. “I have health insurance. We give health insurance to our employees. Every Muslim group I know of does the same thing.” Hooper told us that he has seen some Muslims raise religious objections to life insurance, but not health insurance, and that, in fact, providing health coverage is very much in line with Islamic ideals of social justice.

As for “dhimmitude,” it’s a politically charged academic concept, not a tenet of Muslim faith. The term was coined by scholar Bat Ye’or to describe the condition of the “dhimmis,” protected non-Muslims living in Muslim empires starting in the 7th century. Dhimmi populations, Ye’or says, were allowed by their lands’ Muslim conquerors to keep property and practice their faith, as long as they paid a poll tax. It is Ye’or’s assertion that the condition of dhimmitude still persists in countries under shari’a law, and that, furthermore, it is spreading worldwide. In particular, she says, Europeans are accepting a state of dhimmitude and moving toward becoming “Eurabia.” This position is controversial, and Ye’or is not secretive about her political commitments. For instance, she is a vocal supporter of Geert Wilders, the Dutch politician who was once banned from the United Kingdom because of his inflammatory anti-Islam views. For the e-mail to present “dhimmitude” as an established Muslim value rather than a scholarly concept from an author with open political commitments is misleading.

Finally, the e-mail repeats one other claim we’ve debunked before. It says that “I … will face hard prison time because I refuse to buy insurance or pay the penalty tax.” This is false. The House version of the bill left open the possibility of criminal penalties for deliberately evading a tax for not having health insurance, but the Senate version did not, nor did the final law.

— Jess Henig
Bit, br br I have only one thing to say.... Read ... (show quote)
Wow, in other words one of the right wing nutters posted something about both the ACA and Islam that is absolute bullshit, a big giant lie? Wow how shocking.

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Feb 6, 2016 15:14:21   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Kevyn wrote:
This is a perfect oppertunity for right wing nutters who hate the affordable care act! All they need to do is convert to Islam and they can ignore the law without repercussions.
Did Obama give Obamacare wavers to Muslims too?

I thought it was just his financial supporters that got to avoid Obamacare.

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Feb 6, 2016 18:28:42   #
Pulfnick Loc: Knoxville, TN
 
Super Dave wrote:
Did Obama give Obamacare wavers to Muslims too?

I thought it was just his financial supporters that got to avoid Obamacare.


Obamacare does in fact exclude Muslims, as it would conflict with Islam.

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