whole2th

This is the first blog I've participated in where the good people outnumber the trolls--even more talented trolls than are assigned in this topic.

Blade_Runner and emarine are being despicable--and obvious in their vulgarity, ridicule, and lack of supportive evidence. They should be fired by their bosses and replaced.

Admin will soon put this topic to bed and open a new topic by the same name as we reach the 100 page arbitrary limit--which puts all the back-and-forth 'discussion' more out of sight to the OPP participants.

Russia, which threw off Jewish communism has more trustworthy journalism than the US zionist-controlled media. What Russia has done to wreck ISIS in a few weeks has exposed the Evil Empire (US-Israel-Britain-NATO-Saudis) was backing the creation and supply of ISIS all the time.

It feels right to experience this sea change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbO2_077ixs Take a pause for a bit of revelry. Then, back to the good fight to route out the cancer, devils and parasites in our midst.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Why?

I have personal experience with fighting fires and with explosive detonations, and I have more than half a brain, I have three. I'm still waiting for you truthers loons to show definitive evidence--in photos and forensic evidence--that explosives were used to bring down the towers and building 7.

What you will need to do is find a way to overcome the total lack of evidence that any explosive devices, of whatever stripe, were used on 9/11. The steel was examined closely for evidence of explosive residues and damage. Nothing of the sort was found anywhere. They found no physical evidence whatsoever of the remains of explosive devices-- switches, relays, timing circuits, identifiable wiring--no part or piece that investigators always find at the scene of such detonations.

Reputable demolition engineers have made it clear that it would have taken a substantial number of men, machines, and explosives to rig just WTC 7, and it would have taken months to complete. How could they possibly do that without someone, or many someones, being suspicious and asking questions. Then if you consider what it would have taken to rig both towers for controlled demolition, you are stretching the feasibility completely into the realm of Mission Impossible.

Now, let's take a look at payne's infamous "Smoking Gun".

In explosive technology there is a thing called "brisance". This is the shattering force produced by the detonation velocity of any given explosive compound. The DV is measured in meters per second and grams per cubic centimeter. With a DV of 6900 m/s, TNT sets the standard for determining the DV of explosive compounds. The lower range of explosives, silver azide for example, produce detonation velocities around 4000 m/s. High explosives, such as DDF produce a DV of 10,000 m/s. What this means is that when an explosive compound is detonated (even the low yield compounds), the resulting blast will fan out at high velocities, like the bullet from a gun, and will travel for some distance--depending on the blast pressures generated--before the force dissipates.

Now, payne claims the towers were brought down with "powerful explosives". In his infamous photo of "The Smoking Gun", even if we assume a mid-range explosive was used, there is no evidence of any such high velocities apparent in the debris coming off the buildings.

You guys are going to have to come up with something besides a wet dream if you're going to convince anyone with "half a brain" that 9/11 was rigged by sinister conspirators.

Here is payne's Smoking Gun. The red lines trace the relative path of debris coming off the towers.


Had "powerful explosives" been detonated, here the red lines show the patten of debris we should see.

whole2th

Upwardy angled ejections are visible above the arrows you have drawn.

Also ejection of heavy materials as far as 600 feet laterally in a radially symmetrical debris scatter cannot be explained by 'pancaking' (which NIST says is an unworkable hypothesis) or general collapse. There is no 'pile driver' atop the cascading debris that is explosively ejected.

The rate of demolition (at near free-fall speed) is not explainable by kinetic energy collapse of a segment upon the next segment.

Hundreds of witnesses heard, saw or felt explosions. Some of those witnesses experienced explosions BEFORE THE PLANES HIT THE TOWERS.

Are you a US citizen? If so, you should be indicted in the cover-up of 9-11 crimes plus any other aspects of planning/execution of the 9-11 crimes.

emarine

Maybe it's time for a little 100 page recap here... So far you have claimed that Israel was responsible for a controlled demolition of all 3 buildings at the WTC... You claim several Arab hijackers are still alive and well and not involved in crashing the jet planes which is a proven lie... You claim that 4 Israeli art students rigged the 3 huge buildings for the demolition which is impossible at best... You provide the opinions of people with questionable references VS the opinion of the people who designed the buildings ... You provide opinions of janitors VS fire inspectors... you provide opinions of a few firemen over a few fire chiefs and marshals ... you provide no conclusive evidence of anything you post in almost 15 years of your blame and distortion... there has been not one arrest stemming from anything you claim...face facts fellas... your conspiracy theory's are just that theory's... but I find it very interesting in the fact that you hard sell just who to blame for it...you cant hide your hate...and that is what makes you guys putz's...

payne1000

The lines on the photo below show the path the debris would have taken by gravitational forces alone:

payne1000

The photos below show that debris from the falling tower was blasted as much as 300 ft outward from the walls of the tower. That's the length of a football field. There is no physical force which would accomplish this other than powerful explosives.

whole2th

My claim, more specifically, is Israel (Mossad), zionists, Saudis, neocons, a "Khazarian mafia" did 9-11.

Contrast the false phrase "muslims did 9-11" with these three words: "Israel did 9-11" for the short soundbite and we have the correct identification of those who did 9-11. Muslims did not have security control of Building 7 and the Twin Towers to rig the three buildings for demolition. "Jews" and traitors in the US did have control of building security.

I feel more hate coming from you than I demonstrate by stating the facts. Stating the facts is not equivalent to expressing hate.

payne1000

Questionable references? Look at this man's resume and compare it with yours. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_4X8OVL5vo

emarine

Why... because the buildings outer frame work is peeling back just like a banana ... that is exactly what the pilots who had the best point of view stated as it was happening... you know this as fact or you would have posted the two pictures side by side ... but you refused to do so... there was no mention of any explosions from those above the debris field with a "clear view"...

emarine

Your claim is Israel did it not Muslims... your proof is a clear lie

payne1000

Even NIST would not sink so low as to propose your idiotic banana peel theory. They claimed the exact opposite--that the outer walls collapsed inward.

“The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door -- this intense grid -- and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting.” --Frank A. Demartini, on-site construction manager for the World Trade Center, spoke of the resilience of the towers in an interview recorded on January 25, 2001

"Lead WTC Structural Engineer John Skilling, doesn't think a single 200-pound car bomb would topple or do major structural damage to a Trade Center tower. The supporting columns are closely spaced and even if several were disabled, the others would carry the load. ‘However,’ he added, ‘I'm not saying that properly applied explosives - shaped explosives - of that magnitude could not do a tremendous amount of damage.’ Although Skilling is not an explosives expert, he says there are people who do know enough about building demolition to bring a structure like the Trade Center down. ‘I would imagine that if you took the top expert in that type of work and gave him the assignment of bringing these buildings down with explosives, I would bet that he could do it.’”

http://911blogger.com/node/6040

emarine

Big deal Cal tech... the fact that he states..." physically impossible" proves his bias... next credible guy please...

emarine

Your repetitious BS was junk the first time you posted it... So you go with the 4 Israeli art student theory... you will just regain putz status at this rate... The NIST report states the outer fame work "peeled" outward after failure depositing heavy sections of steel 500' out...go back some 40 pages and read it...

payne1000

When Dr. Bowman states "physically impossible," he repeats what all people who know science and physics are saying about the fall of the towers.

Here's another who thinks it's physically impossible:

Lt. Col. Shelton F. Lankford, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) – Retired U.S. Marine Corps fighter pilot with over 300 combat missions flown. Decorations include the Distinguished Flying Cross and 32 awards of the Air Medal. Aircraft flown: Douglas A-4 Skyhawk, Lockheed C-130H Hercules. 10,000+ total hours flown. 20-year Marine Corps career.


“September 11, 2001 seems destined to be the watershed event of our lives and the greatest test for our democracy in our lifetimes. The evidence of government complicity in the lead-up to the events, the failure to respond during the event, and the astounding lack of any meaningful investigation afterwards, as well as the ignoring of evidence turned up by others that renders the official explanation impossible, may signal the end of the American experiment. It has been used to justify all manners of measures to legalize repression at home and as a pretext for behaving as an aggressive empire abroad. Until we demand an independent, honest, and thorough investigation and accountability for those whose action and inaction led to those events and the cover-up, our republic and our Constitution remain in the gravest danger.

This isn't about party, it isn't about Bush Bashing. It's about our country, our constitution, and our future. ...

Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away.

If you ridicule others who have sincere doubts and who know factual information that directly contradicts the official report and who want explanations from those who hold the keys to our government, and have motive, means, and opportunity to pull off a 9/11, but you are too lazy or fearful, or ... to check into the facts yourself, what does that make you? Scholars for 9/11 truth have developed reams of scientific data. Michael Ruppert published an exhaustive account of the case from the viewpoint of a trained investigator. David Ray Griffin provides a context for the unanswered or badly answered questions that should nag at anyone who pretends to love this country."

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

emarine

Fact that all the Hijackers were Saudi is well proven... everything past that is speculation and lies... You do nothing but hard sell speculation and lies... You try and sell others nothing but your personal prejudices and hate... you're a fool Mr. whole 2th ... you cant hide your hate...putz