MatthewlovesAyn Loc: Ohio

Can you cite that, please? I can't find it.

Carol Kelly

I shall. Thank you for reminding us. We have a very proud heritage. K

Ricktloml

I seriously doubt that children in school these days learn much of anything at all about ANY of our founding fathers, (unless of course they can be berated for something). History that shows America in a positive light is no longer acceptable

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Hmmm....how to explain this to you.

If they were to make any comment, it would be to denigrate him. According to their thought processes, his contributions, writings, etc. have no value, because he was a slave owner and his relationship with Sally Ann Hemmings. The current policy by progressives, who in my personal opinion are not liberals, is to devalue anything by any Southern Founding Father. This is because of their slave ownership. They, also, have little respect for the Northern Founding Fathers because of those individuals religiosity. Basically, in the progressive view, our founding fathers have no value to our current country.

PS: If you think they abhor our founding fathers, Ayn Rand is a combination of Satan (if they have any religious belief), Darth Vader, all Republicans, all evangicalicals, conservatives, etc.,etc., etc., etc., etc. :idea: :roll:

Artemis

Your primer on Jefferson was fine, it was when you became derogatory to Liberals that I found offensive, and I am not one, I am not on the right either. I am against party's altogether.

I simply don't abide these general character assignations that people on the right continuously do. You guys are the party of hate. You hate large masses of the population under one named group or another, it is truly mind staggering the compulsion you people have to bitch and gripe. You should have your own country, the country of grumpy old men and women. You're never happy.

I had asked you what you considered liberal, than going on by what far right thought as liberals. It was a question, there for you to clarify, I never said you were far right, but you now have answered that in your own way.

Your twisting of everything I said is typical of the right also. You come up with these assumptions that are completely wrong as in your opinion of "liberals". I have simply become accustom to the mindset of the prejudicial right, that anyone not of their ilk is the enemy. It is them who are always against other Americans.

Whether you agree or not Jefferson stared to split away from the republican party, he created the democratic for a reason, do you know why? From everything I know of Jefferson if he were alive now I feel strongly he would not be on the right.

I was referring to Cruz's statement from the debate not from Trumps interview, where he insulted an entire state of NY, good campaign move I would have to say wouldn't you, millions of people he lost with that one dumbass comment, couldn't happen to a nicer guy. :thumbup:

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

After reading you broad overview of your perception of the "prejudicial right", I can only :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol:

Artemis

You assume I meant race, prejudice comes in many many forms, I was speaking of his and the far right's propensity to hating, to the point of loathing, liberals, which showed in his reaction to the very thought of connecting any assimilation of Jefferson to the democratic party.

MatthewlovesAyn Loc: Ohio

Unbelievable. It's like there is no connection between what I said and what you read and then what you said. The only thing I asked of liberals was to go down the list of things Jefferson said and compare them to the thought processes of modern liberals. For instance:
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government
from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." --
Thomas Jefferson
I wanted a liberal to read this and compare it to the modern welfare states that justifies stealing my money and giving it to people who don't do my job, don't drug test, don't wake up in the morning, don't pay taxes, and yet drive a car and eat food I paid for. That is what I consider the modern liberal (as compared to the classical liberal, of which I am one).

As for hating large masses of people, It is another irony that you have lumped me in a group of people and then say you hate them. More than funny. We are the people of INDIVIDUAL liberty. We hate groups because they seek to destroy the rights of INDIVIDUALS. I would love to have a country where the rights of the individual were paramount. A place where the US Constitution (you should read it) is followed to a tee.

As far as my personal political affiliation, I am a PAYING member of the Libertarian Party. A place where neither crony capitalism nor the welfare state are appreciated.

I didn't have to twist anything you said, just point out the flaws in logic. As far as being prejudiced against groups of people, it is anathema to my way of thinking to judge anyone on more than an individual basis. When they gather in thuggish groups (like unions or government) to deny my individual rights, I feel I have a right to defend myself.

My thoughts about where Jefferson would stand politically at present are that he would be a libertarian. Dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal under the law without being gifted or punished by their affiliation with a group. Also, there was no republican party until it was formed in the mid 1850's with their main purpose being to end slavery. Once again, your lack of knowledge about history will out. Maybe google before you post.

Since you didn't read my other posts (obviously) on the subject of Cruz ( I DID know about your reference in the debate because I know what I say) this is what Cruz was talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHAHKGP10yc
He wasn't denigrating a whole state, he was referencing the above interview. You really should know what you are talking about before commenting. As for being a "dumbass", think about yours' and Cruz's relative positions in life, then say it back to yourself.

As far as giving yourself a thumbs up, I leave it to others to tell me whether I do well. I know, i just don't say.

Artemis

Let's go back to the beginning to what I found offensive, because up to that point you will notice i was positive about your post.

your quoted post:

I always wonder where the liberal posters(lumping people) are when I find and post something like this, which is a complete and inarguable refutation of all they believe.really?...offensive already a preconceived notion and bias.

I wish they would go down the list of quotes with their side. You know why they won't! another offenseTell us like it is tdsrnest, Cool(?) Breeze, Kevyn. We're waiting.Confrontational

Next again, my reference to Cruz not yours had to do with his comment on NY morals at the debate, I along with New Yorker's knew exactly what he meant by it and so did Trump.

MatthewlovesAyn Loc: Ohio

Another irony packed post. Infer whatever you want into my words, whether the thoughts are there or not. As for Cruz, He was TALKING about Trump's stand and Trump's New York values when he made the comment during the debate. What don't you get. Once again, Cruz wasn't talking about New York values. He was talking about Trump's TAKE on HIS New York values!

As far as confronting those to whom I vehemently disagree, you bet I will. Slap my face and I will NOT turn the other cheek. Steal from me and you will be met with violence. I don't initiate force, but I will defend myself. Bet on it.

Carol Kelly

If our children are not learning about the sacrifices and beliefs of our founding fathers, maybe WE are partly to blame. Don't wait for teachers who are not all that brilliant to do it for us. Talk to your children and your grandchildren. Help them by telling or rather suggesting things they can read to learn. K

Ricktloml

Well I will certainly give you a-well said

MatthewlovesAyn Loc: Ohio

I'm sorry I waited so long to tell you how much I enjoyedyour post.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Your "assum"tion is incorrect. I knew exactly what you meant.

The point you fail to understand, about me, is I classify Democrats in three distinct catagorys; socialist, progressive and liberal. Frankly, there are very few liberals left. They have, predominantly, become Independents. As with most socialist/progressives, you enjoy painting with a broad generalization brush. It makes it SSSSOOOOO much easier to appear in whatever form you wish to appear. The form is ever changing, depending on the current meme, which can change hourly...and often does.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

It was, truly, my pleasure, as is following your rare commentary.