whole2th wrote:
You've shifted the facts to suit your deceptions. The claim of 17 families of dead Navy Seals is that they were assassinated--NOT IN THE RAID--they were assinated months later in a chinook helicopter 'accident'. You know the Navy Seals were killed months later, don't you, Blade_Runner?
Your ignorance of the Seals deaths (giving you the benefit of doubt) is stunning, Blade_Runner.
Look at the date of the ABC news story--months after the raid that allegedly involved killing OBL.
I've proven OBL died in December, 2001. You have remained silent on these proofs, Blade_Runner.
Who is it you are loyal to? I'm not aware of a drug remedy for your programming, Blade_Runner. It is said that the truth will set you free. That assumes you will look.
I won't hold my breath for you to apologize for being wrong.
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What the hell are you smoking? Read again what I posted.
The Chinook was shot down on August 6, 2011, right? All 22 SEALS aboard were killed, right? NONE WERE FROM THE SQUADRON THAT PARTICIPATED IN THE ABBOTTABAD RAID.
And, you are basing all this on the "claims" (allegations) of 17 families? None of whom are family members of the any member of the DEVGRU unit that conducted the bin Laden raid.
WTF do these people know? Where the hell did they get their information? Do they have irrefutable evidence that it was an assassination? Or, are they just pissing in the wind? Seems all they have are QUESTIONS. Emotionally distraught people are generally irrational, they always seem to ask the wrong questions and fabricate their own answers. Like conspiracy threorists and Troofers.
So, yeah, let's go with that as verification that 30 American troops were "assassinated." I mean, what the hell, the Taliban couldn't possibly have shot that Chinook down. Al Queda couldn't have done it. No sir, those Jihadis are lousy shots with RPGs. Had to be a hired assassin that did it. Makes perfect sense.
ATS wrote:
SEAL Team Six Helicopter Crash: Lets Debunk a Myth
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For some this topic of discussion starts on May 1st 2001 during the operation to kill Al-Qaida leader in Osama Bin Laden, when some two dozen members of Seal Team Six took part in Operation Neptune Spear in Abbottabad, Pakistan the result one very dead bad guy. But thats not what this thread is about lets fast forward a months and get started.
August 6 2011 38 men packed into a CH-47 Chinook, call sign, Extortion 17 and took off heading into Wardak Province of Afghanistan about 22 off these men were from Naval Special Warfare command and 15 came from Seal Team Six (LINK). The exact nature of their mission still remains unclear however according to the Wall Street Journal they were heading to provide reinforcement support for a group of US Army Rangers. During the flight a Taliban militant launched a RPG at the helicopter causing it to crash killing everyone on board.
On board the Chinook helicopter there were 30 Americans -- including 22 SEALs -- as well as eight Afghans and a dog trained specifically for special operations.
Most of the 22 SEALs were part of SEAL Team 6, the heroic unit that carried out the raid on Osama Bin Laden's compound in May, though none of those who actually took part in that raid were believed to be on the helicopter. ABC News
At least that is the official story
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Ever since that crash it has prompted suspicion amongst conspiracy theorists. There are two main schools of thought that conspiracy theorists take. There are those who take the view that the raid on the Bin Laden compound never took place or that the raid did take place however the target was not Bin Laden and that this helicopter crash was staged to cover up their death. Then there is a second conspiracy theory promoted by Alex Jones, based on a dubious source that goes by the sexy pseudonym Colonel Sixx who claims that the crash was actually used as a cover up for Seals killed during Operation Neptune Spear when a stealth Blackhawk blew up to quote them. (Note: the ONS Blackhawk crashed landed, no one on board was injured or killed.)
Both of these conspiracies might seem plausible at first, especially if one has a limited knowledge of Seal Team Six. However both of these conspiracy theories can be quite easily debunked as both make the presumption that the Seals who were killed on the helicopter where the same ones who took part in the Bin Laden raid (assassination), this presumption is wrong.
The first mistake that people make when they entertain these conspiracies is that they ignorantly believe that Seal Team Six is like a soccer team. They assume that Seal Team Six, is made up X number of men and all other Seal Teams are made up the same number of men, they think that the 24 members of Seal Team Six is Seal Team Six.
This is utterly rubbish, Seal Team Six is not actually even a Seal team its real name is the United States Naval Special Warfare Development Group or DEVGRU if youre feeling lazy. It is essentially a separate unit form the US Navy SEALS, DEVGRU is considered a tier one Special Forces asset, the US Navy Seals are Tier two. Yes DEVGRU does recruit directly from the Navy Seals but you would be highly mistaken to assume that SEAL Team three for example has the same role and capabilities as Seal Team Six, DEVGRU. Furthermore DEVGRU is not a small team, its really quite large, how large exactly is classified but rumours I have read put it at between 300-500. It is structured into squadrons or teams, they are Red, Blue, Gold and Silver in addition to this there is also a Black Squadron for reconnaissance.
Now that very quick and dirty description of a very complex Special Forces unit might not be very in depth but its enough for us to start to debunk these conspiracies that the helicopter crash was staged in some way to cover up some part of the Bin Laden raid as its important to know who took part in what.
So to get to the point, during operation Neptune Spear the members of DEVGRU who took part where all handpicked form Red Squadron. There is one possible exception, in the book no easy day by Mark Owen he does describe how one member not form Red Squadron was picked because of his linguistic abilities however what squadron he was from is not made clear. In anycase according to the Navy Times
The SEALs who assaulted Osama bin Ladens compound were drawn from Naval Special Warfare Development Groups Red Squadron, according to several sources in the special operations community.
With that in mind then one would expect the people who were killed on the helicopter crash came from the same Squadron, after all If they say came from Gold Squadron then it wouldnt make for a very good cover up. Well actually thats what happened all the guys on that Chinook came from Gold Squadron, again form the Navy Times.
Of the 22 NSW members killed, 17 were SEALs and five were direct support personnel, according to the source in the NSW community. Two of the SEALs were from a West Coast SEAL unit, but the others were from Gold Squadron of Naval Special Warfare Development Group, or DevGru, sometimes known as SEAL Team 6, said the NSW source
To make this clear for you all, just encase you don't get the punch line
Red Squadron= Operation Neptune Spear May 1 2011
Gold Squadron = Chinook helicopter crash August 6 2011 (15 DEVGRU dead)
So different Squadrons different guys none of the men that took part in the raid to kill Bin Laden were on that helicopter. In other words the government didnt kill those men on the helicopter to cover up anything relating to operation Neptune Spear because the guys on that helicopter had nothing to do with the raid that killed Bin Laden.
If this isnt enough for you then I would also like to point out that there is no literature that supports the idea that any of the men on that helicopter took part in the Bin Laden raid and they all headed back to the states shortly afterwords so where not even in Afghanistan when the operation took part also although 22 members of NSW where on that helicopter only 15 were members of DEVGRU so why did they not kill the other 9 members who took part in the Bin Laden raid, not to mention the pilots of the helicopters, the CIA operatives and the support staff.
And finally ask yourself this, why would they wait 3 months to kill the guys and how did they prevent the rest of DEVGRU from speaking out and exposing this whole conspiracy?
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