Something Most of Us Agree On
Dec 31, 2015 00:21:26 #
Here's a quote from an article in the latest Atlantic Monthly, from an article entitled "The Great Republican Revolt" by David Frum. "A majority of Republicans worry that corporations and the wealthy exert too much power. Their party leaders work to ensure that these same groups can exert even more."
Do you feel this way, too ?
Do you feel this way, too ?
Dec 31, 2015 00:33:49 #
Richard94611 wrote:
Here's a quote from an article in the latest Atlantic Monthly, from an article entitled "The Great Republican Revolt" by David Frum. "A majority of Republicans worry that corporations and the wealthy exert too much power. Their party leaders work to ensure that these same groups can exert even more."
Do you feel this way, too ?
Do you feel this way, too ?
Definitely! The communists control the democrap party, and all the rinos in the republican party! The tea party candidates are the only ones left! ALL CAREER POLITICIANS NEED TO BE BANNED! ONLY ONCE IN EACH FAMILY! In this country NO family is BORN TO RULE! (including the Klintons)
Dec 31, 2015 01:12:30 #
Corporations, yes, wealthy citizens, no...
The fact that a person is successful doesn't mean he and she should have their political presences diminished. On the other hand, I see no reason corporations should participate in any form.
The fact that a person is successful doesn't mean he and she should have their political presences diminished. On the other hand, I see no reason corporations should participate in any form.
Dec 31, 2015 01:47:09 #
JW wrote:
Corporations, yes, wealthy citizens, no...
The fact that a person is successful doesn't mean he and she should have their political presences diminished. On the other hand, I see no reason corporations should participate in any form.
The fact that a person is successful doesn't mean he and she should have their political presences diminished. On the other hand, I see no reason corporations should participate in any form.
I understand you mean that Boeing should be stomped down by the unions, but Soros should be obeyed? Move on dot org is a corp. As are all the communist fronts!
Dec 31, 2015 02:17:18 #
Richard94611 wrote:
Here's a quote from an article in the latest Atlantic Monthly, from an article entitled "The Great Republican Revolt" by David Frum. "A majority of Republicans worry that corporations and the wealthy exert too much power. Their party leaders work to ensure that these same groups can exert even more."
Do you feel this way, too ?
Do you feel this way, too ?
If conservative are worried that business and the wealthy exert more power why were you in favor of Citizens United whose only purpose was to give business and the wealthy unlimited power. Do you people ever actually think about anything you support!
Dec 31, 2015 02:53:24 #
Richard94611 wrote:
Here's a quote from an article in the latest Atlantic Monthly, from an article entitled "The Great Republican Revolt" by David Frum. "A majority of Republicans worry that corporations and the wealthy exert too much power. Their party leaders work to ensure that these same groups can exert even more."
Do you feel this way, too ?
Do you feel this way, too ?
The quote is making two statements... I don't agree with the first one. I'm sure some Republicans are concerned about the plutocracy but certainly not the majority of them. I do agree with the second statement. I think the leaders of both major parties cater to the power of wealth, but I think it's easier for Republicans to do this without upsetting their voter support.
Dec 31, 2015 03:47:13 #
JW wrote:
Corporations, yes, wealthy citizens, no...
When people involved in discussions about power say "corporations and the wealthy" they are being needlessly redundant. Given the context, there is no difference. Wealth is wealth, whether it's privately owned, or shared by a corporation.
JW wrote:
The fact that a person is successful doesn't mean he and she should have their political presences diminished.
The fact that a person is successful doesn't mean he and she should have their political presences diminished.
Shouldn't that depend on what his success is based on? What if he is successfully augmenting his political presence?
JW wrote:
On the other hand, I see no reason corporations should participate in any form.
On the other hand, I see no reason corporations should participate in any form.
Participate? You do realize that we're talking about the kind of wealth that exerts power right? That kind of wealth has no need to "participate" in a democracy. They can influence the democracy just by participating in the market.
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Dec 31, 2015 03:59:40 #
Peter, here is a summary of the Citizens United decision.
Summary
Prior to Citizens United, campaign finance legislation and case law banned corporate spending on independent expenditures and electioneering communications.
Citizens United argued that these bans violated the First Amendments right to free speech.
In a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court extended First Amendment rights to corporations, such that corporations can now use treasury funds to make independent expenditures and to pay for electioneering communications in connection with federal elections.
Corporations must still adhere to disclaimer and disclosure requirements when making those communications.
If you are directing your reply towards me (Richard94611), at no time have I been in favor of the Citizens United decision, contrary to what you say in your post. You must be mixing up my views with someone else's.
Summary
Prior to Citizens United, campaign finance legislation and case law banned corporate spending on independent expenditures and electioneering communications.
Citizens United argued that these bans violated the First Amendments right to free speech.
In a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court extended First Amendment rights to corporations, such that corporations can now use treasury funds to make independent expenditures and to pay for electioneering communications in connection with federal elections.
Corporations must still adhere to disclaimer and disclosure requirements when making those communications.
If you are directing your reply towards me (Richard94611), at no time have I been in favor of the Citizens United decision, contrary to what you say in your post. You must be mixing up my views with someone else's.
PeterS wrote:
If conservative are worried that business and the wealthy exert more power why were you in favor of Citizens United whose only purpose was to give business and the wealthy unlimited power. Do you people ever actually think about anything you support!
Dec 31, 2015 04:16:27 #
lpnmajor
Loc: Arkansas
Richard94611 wrote:
Here's a quote from an article in the latest Atlantic Monthly, from an article entitled "The Great Republican Revolt" by David Frum. "A majority of Republicans worry that corporations and the wealthy exert too much power. Their party leaders work to ensure that these same groups can exert even more."
Do you feel this way, too ?
Do you feel this way, too ?
Of course! That's how Oligarchies work. Oligarchs control the Government who, in turn, control the people. To prevent a revolt, the Oligarchs arrange for it's Government to be divided into at least 2 factions and encourage the people to "pick a team". They then ensure that the "teams" remain at odds over ideology, philosophy, religion, or some other difference, thus ensuring that the people remain divided and distracted, while it's Government completes the tasks set forth by the Oligarchs.
Should any of the people stop score keeping long enough to see what's really going on, the system ensures that too few of them will be in any position to challenge their power. Even if these newly awoken people begin to wake up others and threaten an expanding awakening, the Oligarchs simply have their Government create a "crisis", that commands all the people's attention again - putting them safely back to sleep.
As long as the people are vigorously engaged in "stuff", that makes them feel that they are "making a difference", ensuring that the "stuff" is actually useless drivel - the Oligarchs remain safely in power. Social media is perhaps the Oligarchs greatest asset, as it is the most powerful tool ever devised, to keep people's minds safely asleep and blissfully unaware.
The most successful enslavement program, is one where those who are enslaved - don't realize that they are slaves. You know you are a slave, when you are monitored by some Governmental agency everywhere you go and when you require permission ( visas, permits, licenses, etc. ) for everything you do - and you are taxed for everything you own, acquire, earn, produce or buy, for your entire life.
Dec 31, 2015 04:23:39 #
Dec 31, 2015 04:30:20 #
katgiles wrote:
Yes I do.
In the words of Jefferson, and here I paraphrase, "Out of bondage comes prosperity, out of prosperity comes complacency, out of complacency, comes dependence, and out of dependence comes bondage."
We are at the dependence stage right now. We have to break loose and get back to prosperity or we are all lost.
We must stop the free handouts and get back to prosperity, but if we do, we must not ever again become complacent or the cycle starts all over again.
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Dec 31, 2015 05:45:46 #
Richard94611 wrote:
Here's a quote from an article in the latest Atlantic Monthly, from an article entitled "The Great Republican Revolt" by David Frum. "A majority of Republicans worry that corporations and the wealthy exert too much power. Their party leaders work to ensure that these same groups can exert even more."
Do you feel this way, too ?
Do you feel this way, too ?
There is little difference between democrat or republican. They both grow the bloated monster that is the federal government.
Dec 31, 2015 06:11:46 #
hprinze
Loc: Central Florida
Richard94611 wrote:
Here's a quote from an article in the latest Atlantic Monthly, from an article entitled "The Great Republican Revolt" by David Frum. "A majority of Republicans worry that corporations and the wealthy exert too much power. Their party leaders work to ensure that these same groups can exert even more."
Do you feel this way, too ?
Do you feel this way, too ?
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Just shows that there are still lots of insanely jealous, grossly uninformed people who hate and despise any financially successful capitalist free enterprise persons or businesses.
Dec 31, 2015 07:32:30 #
astrolite wrote:
I understand you mean that Boeing should be stomped down by the unions, but Soros should be obeyed? Move on dot org is a corp. As are all the communist fronts!
I am uncertain how you got that from what I said. I mean that neither corporations nor unions nor any organised body should be permitted to exert any kind of influence on the political process.
No matter how poor or wealthy a person might be, he has a right to participate in the process.
Dec 31, 2015 07:36:33 #
Richard94611 wrote:
Here's a quote from an article in the latest Atlantic Monthly, from an article entitled "The Great Republican Revolt" by David Frum. "A majority of Republicans worry that corporations and the wealthy exert too much power. Their party leaders work to ensure that these same groups can exert even more."
Do you feel this way, too ?
Do you feel this way, too ?
There is but one political party in the US and that is the corporate party. Dems are merely its left arm and repubs are merely its right arm. The sheople are only given the illusion of choice when voting because the corporate party cares not which arm the sheople vote in as they will still call the shots.
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